[Preston] Linux on a 486

Mon Sep 16 23:11:01 2002

Thanks for all the comments so far guys.

Initially I just want to get the networking up and running as this will be
an interesting project in itself. I'll maybe play around with Tiny Linux as
suggested by Alan, or possibly Keeper Linux (has anyone used this?) and I
would be interested in a copy of RH4.3 if you can find the disk Alan (I have
a CD writer and some disks). Ultimately I want to use the PII as a web
server on a broadband connection using Dynamic DNS, with one of the 486's as
mail server and another as my firewall / router (probably using IP Cop as
the hardware requirements do seem a little lower). I've also been promised a
PIII 500Mhz board, which I will probably use as my main Linux workstation or
a file server (I haven't quite decided yet) and stick a windows machine or
two in there as well.

It is all however very embryonic at the moment and my first task is to get
to grips with networking a few Linux boxes together in the first place as
last time I tried with my PII and my main box, I couldn't get them to
actually talk to each other. So when I get a few days to spare, that is what
I will probably be doing.

Thanks again, and keep them suggestions coming.

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <john.rushe@btinternet.com>
To: <preston@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Preston] Linux on a 486

> Robin,
>
> All you need to do is ramp up the memory. I have run KDE on a PII 233 Mhz
> with 256 MB ram without any problems whatsoever. Even now, I run RH 7.3
with
> KDE 3 on a PII 400 Mhz with 330MB ram and again the response is superb.
This
> PC also acts as my server for the web via PPP connection (running squid,
> firewall, sendmail and fetchmail along with Samba) and still I can use the
> KDE desktop without any problems whatsoever. If you want to transform your
> Linux GUI experience using Gnome or KDE then install some extra RAM. I
can't
> see why you would need more than another 64 MB if you are using it purely
as
> a desktop... It's RAM that makes all th difference here rather than a
faster
> CPU... Let me know how you get on, I promise you the investment in extra
RAM
> will be well worth it...
>
> Cheers
>
> John
> PS... There is a distro called tinylinux which I have never used that may
be
> suitable for the 486's... I am sure somebody on the list will be able to
add
> more info on this and any other possible distros...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robin Johnson" <robin@totalise.co.uk>
> To: <preston@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Preston] Linux on a 486
>
>
> > I'd confirm what Stephen is saying about the GUI. I have RH 7.2 on a
> 450Mhz
> > PII with 64Mb RAM and either Gnome or KDE are too much for it. I'd be
> > tempted to investigate oneof the simpler and lighter Window Mgt Systems
> for
> > X, such as devolution or .. - there are a few about. I'm only saying
what
> I
> > would do, I have no experience of these simpler GUIs but I am sure I
have
> > read reviews in magazines that speak well of them.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stephen Taylforth" <stephen@ribblesdale.org>
> > To: <preston@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Preston] Linux on a 486
> >
> >
> >
> > You'd probably be better running one of the 486s as a server (without
> x-win)
> > and saving the 233 as a workstation. In my experience linux without x
> > windows will run an any old piece of junk but putting a gui on even a
> quite
> > high end machine can make it creak under the load.  Your best chance is
> > finding a really early copy of linux which was around when the machines
> > first saw light of day (circa 94 /95 from the spec) but I can't suggest
> > anything that old.
> >
> > You shouldn't have any trouble making a 486 into a firewall / router or
a
> > mail server providing you don't expect to run a gui or handle a lot of
> > traffic. You should manage this with a quite modern linux provided it
will
> > run on a 486
> >
> > My experience with firewalls is with later versions of linux with a 2.4
> > kernal and iptables. I have set up back office boxes with early pentiums
> (90
> > mhz with 8meg) and they work fine provided you don't expect too much.
> (they
> > are much happier with 16 mb)
> >
> > I think that with such old machines you'd better get your hand in with
the
> > command line. (or retire them gracefully......)
> >
> >
> > Stephen Taylforth
> >
> > IT Technician Ribblesdale School Clitheroe
> >
> >
> > >I've just inherited a small number of 486 machines and want to play
> around
> > >with networking them. I plan to set up a server using a PII 233 and Red
> Hat
> > >7.3 and want initially to play around with the 486's as work stations,
> but
> > >maybe later use one as a firewall / router and one as a mail server.
> > >
> > >Can anyone advise on the best version of Linux to use on these
machines,
> > >bearing in mind they are quite low spec:
> > >  a.. 486 DX2 66 / DX2 50
> > >  b.. 340 / 540Mb HDD
> > >  c.. 8 / 16 MB RAM
> > >  d.. Thin net ethernet cards (although I do have some 10 base T cards
so
> I
> > >may change them later)
> > >  e.. No CD Drive (so I'll have to do a network install, but I think
I'm
> OK
> > >with this)
> > >
> > >Ideally, I would like to use an earlier version of KDE / Gnome or some
> > >other x-windows system (even though I do need to get to grips with the
> > >command prompt). I am thinking about an earlier version of Red Hat, but
> > >having checked their site, the earliest version available for download
is
> > >6.2 and this appears to need more hard drive space than I have
available.
> > >What about earlier versions of Red Hat than this? Where can I download
> them
> > >from? Alternatively, if anyone has a suitable version that they don't
> want,
> > >or will let me copy it, that would be even better.
> > >
> > >As far as firewalls go, the top two would appear to be Smoothwall and
> > >IPCop, anyone got experience with either and / or have any particular
> > >preferences? Also, will they support the hardware I describe above or
do
> I
> > >need something higher spec?
> > >
> > >On a separate point, I haven't been to any meeting for the past 3
months
> or
> > >so due to a number of work and personal commitments, but it sounds like
> I'm
> > >not the only one. What is currently happening, is the group dying a
slow
> > >death?
> > >
> > >Phil Edwards
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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