[Rnb] mailman vs roger / the future

[Tom Hayward]

As a reader, but rare poster and not-yet visitor, as I'm out of the
area most of the time (and hence more active in York's LUG) - I would
strongly make a case for it to remain on mailman on lug.org.uk. Any
move to an external forum and I doubt I'll remain.
I don't see how a group like this needs anything that email doesn't
give them, but I can see downsides to leaving an email list basis.

If anyone can provide a compelling argument, I'll listen, but I don't
see one thus far.

Tom

On 30 July 2010 10:41, David Goodwin <david at codepoets.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 09:08 +0000, Roger Frisby wrote:
>> As usual I will be at the next meeting. Tuesday the 3rd. of August,
>>  2010. That's AUGUST. we are now three quarters of the way through this
>>  year.  David if you do not understand the purpose of the "ELGG Thingy"
>>  Then I suggest that it is because you have not attended a meeting this
>>  year.
>>
>
> Bad me!
>
> There are however 40 individuals signed up to the mailing list; I'm not
> sure it's a good idea for the 3-4 members who manage to make a physical
> meeting to take decisions in isolation. It would help if you posted a
> summary of the discussion in the meeting to the list (I don't remember
> seeing one) - which may prompt inactive members to get involved; this
> may also result in alternative/better suggestions to ELGG.
>
>
> At the moment, I have little interest in the user group, if one of you
> do wish to take over running it (or at least being responsible for
> mailman, and supposedly arranging meetings(!) - although you appear to
> have taken this into your own hands ;) ) I'm more than happy to hand
> over control.
>
> There are no costs involved in running the group - aside from the domain
> name which I pay for every two years (£20ish); web site hosting is
> provided by my company [ http://www.palepurple.co.uk ] on one of our
> servers which can remain to be the case unless you decide to move away
> from dokuwiki, wordpress or a static HTML site.
>
>
>> So for the record, we are trying to find an alternative to mailman.
>>  Which is absolute rubbish. There are far better forums around, where
>>  comments can be posted and responded to, without having to wade
>>  through all of this gunge, just to establish who said what.
>
> Roger - mailman appears rubbish to you because you have digest mode
> turned on. Go to https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/rnb login
> etc and turn off digest mode. Then every message will come to you as a
> separate email - there will be no 'wading through' of stuff - and your
> mail client will handle the threading etc of responses (if you allow it
> to). Furthermore, for the rest of us, your replies will then show up in
> the "right place" with an appropriate subject (not Rnb Digest Vol XX,
> Issue N). If someone wishes to view historic messages, then they can
> view the archive online, or download it and wade through it manually.
>
> There have been very few occasions where this mailing list has more than
> 2-3 messages a day, so it's not like you're going to get snowed under in
> email.
>
>
> In mailman's favour :
>
> a) You don't have to remember to visit some random website to see the
> conversation ...
> b) It's free (thanks to lug.org.uk) (no hosting costs etc)
> c) There is no maintenance from our side for it - aside from deleting
> about 3-4 messages a month which get caught in the administrative
> holding bucket as they're spam and/or sent by non-list members. If you
> move to using a 3rd party forum, who will take responsibility for
> backups/maintenance of that forum (patching, updates etc)?
>
>
> If you still don't like mailman, have you looked at Google groups? - I
> believe it provides a web and email based 'frontend' - so you could
> follow the conversation however you wish.
>
>
> David.
>
>
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