Hopefully, i will see you all on IRC tonight at 9.00pm (is it still on irc.lug.org.uk?) that is, i will if NTL do actually come round and fit my phone line and broadband. Anytime between 12 and 5:30 they said, so i'm taking bets on when they'll actually turn up. Ian ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/