From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Aug 12 18:00:01 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk ( Shaun Moran) Date: Tue Aug 12 17:00:01 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Linux newbie seeks help. Message-ID: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C3604F.BDE39F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran and I live in Dunfermline. I am = interested in setting up a dual boot system with xp/me on an Athlon 1800 = desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with linux systems. = Windows authentication procedures for xp have been the spur to = investigate this possibility, however I remain nervous about the = prospect of a)"messing about" with a functioning system and b) learning = about an unfamiliar OS.=20 Can I have some advice please? I have read about different distros, what would you recommend to a new = user? What information do I need to collect about my hardware prior to = insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive before how do I do it? =20 Thank you Shaun Moran =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C3604F.BDE39F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran and = I live in=20 Dunfermline. I am interested in setting up a dual boot system with xp/me = on an=20 Athlon 1800 desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with = linux=20 systems.

Windows authentication procedures for = xp have been=20 the spur to investigate this possibility, however I remain nervous about = the=20 prospect of a)"messing about" with a functioning system and b) = learning=20 about an unfamiliar OS.

Can I have some advice = please?

I have read about different = distros, what=20 would you recommend to a new user? What information do I need to collect = about=20 my hardware prior to insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive = before how=20 do I do it?

Thank you

Shaun Moran

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C3604F.BDE39F40-- From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Aug 12 21:44:00 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Tillotson) Date: Tue Aug 12 20:44:00 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Linux newbie seeks help. In-Reply-To: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> References: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Message-ID: In message <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda>, Shaun Moran=20 writes >Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran and I live in Dunfermline. I am >interested in setting up a dual boot system with xp/me on an Athlon >1800 desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with linux >systems. If you're just wanting to "dip your toes", I would recommend getting=20 hold of a Knoppix CD. If you have a good 'net connection, you can find=20 out more at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html >Windows authentication procedures for xp have been the spur to >investigate this possibility, however I remain nervous about the >prospect of a)"messing about" with=A0 a functioning system and b) >learning about an unfamiliar OS. >Can I have some advice please? In order: a) Get hold of Partition Magic 8. This allows you to safely resize your=20 XP partition, and make room for another OS. Also make sure that you have=20 a Windows rescue disk available, just in case (I have seen some Linux=20 installs screw-up enough to make a system unusable without a rescue disk=20 of some sort.) b) Give Knoppix a try first - this is a fully functional Linux system=20 (based on Debian) that does even touch your hard drive (unless you have=20 less that 128M RAM, in which case it'll want to create a swap file.) >I=A0have read about different distros, what would you recommend to a new >user? What information do I need to collect about my hardware prior to >insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive before how do I do it?=A0 Once you're sure that you'd like to go down the dual-boot path, my=20 personal recommendation would be either SuSE or Mandrake. Mandrake is=20 freely available (the ISOs were on the PCW DVD a couple of months back),=20 and is pretty newbie friendly. SuSE on the other hand comes with a great=20 manual, is almost as newbie friendly as a distro can get, but doesn't=20 stop you from learning (I am assuming that you want to!) If you need any more advice etc, just yell. --=20 David Tillotson From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Aug 12 22:57:01 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (Sharpnet Internet Solutions) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:57:01 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Linux newbie seeks help. In-Reply-To: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> References: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Message-ID: <1060707312.27839.23.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 21:30, Shaun Moran wrote: > Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran and I live in Dunfermline. I am > interested in setting up a dual boot system with xp/me on an Athlon > 1800 desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with linux > systems. Welcome to the group! > > Windows authentication procedures for xp have been the spur to > investigate this possibility, however I remain nervous about the > prospect of a)"messing about" with a functioning system and b) > learning about an unfamiliar OS. I can concede that at first it seems very duating to install a new OS on a computer you are used to. No worries though, if you have backed up your data the risk is "0". > > Can I have some advice please? > > I have read about different distros, what would you recommend to a new > user? What information do I need to collect about my hardware prior to > insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive before how do I do it? I personally have opted for Mandrake, but I heard that Suse in good even perhaps better than Mandrake. With the current versions available you don't even need to bother about how to partition you HD; Mandrake 9.1, for example, I installed it over my Mandrake 9 version from scratch using "default" configuration all the way. it took a couple of minutes to install and everything was fine. Although I no longer have a machine with dual boot :-) I believe that you will not have any big problems installing this new OS. The thing you must be careful is mostly the kind of modem you have (unless if you do use a LAN connection !) I heard that winmodems (ie onboard modem) can be quite a pain in the neck. But otherwise all other things are quite well supported and the risk is minimal. If you are having problems, I recommend you to go on the www.linuxformat.co.uk website where you can post questions (even if you are a total newbie, the atmosphere is really nice and friendly) about problem you may face on the Discussion Forum. If you are keen I also encourage you to subscribe to the Linux Format magazine as it come with a ton of (open source)[free] programs you can use on your Linux box including games and other good products with no licencing worries! Regular (FULL) OS updates like mandrake are regularly provided. Although the installation of additional applications can still be somewhat of a pain for a new user (to my reckoning and I have 15+ years Unix experience), all you need to work efficiently is already installed, email, office suite, etc... Good luck. Bib. > > Thank you > > Shaun Moran > > > -- www.sharpnet.co.uk - info@sharpnet.co.uk Sharpnet Internet Solutions Limited Custom CMS, eCommerce and eBusiness solutions Servers Status: www.sharpnet.info/index.html Tel:08707 520 230 Fax: 08707 520 240 18 Formonthills Rd Glenrothes KY6 3EF Fife UK From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Aug 12 22:57:02 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (brian) Date: Tue Aug 12 21:57:02 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Linux newbie seeks help. References: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Message-ID: <01a201c36101$90bd6a20$0201a8c0@fife.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019F_01C36109.E0462840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Shaun, am also in Dunfermline. I'd try and get the bits together for a cheap box (eg 500MHz processor) = and have it running separately. I've installed mandrake 9 which I got off Linux Format mag in December. = but can't help on dual-boot systems. Mandrake ha sbeen pretty good, = using KDE as the GUI. had a problem with networking windows and llinux box but with the help = of David managed to get the gateway resolved. regards Brian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Shaun Moran=20 To: standrews@mailman.lug.org.uk=20 Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Linux newbie seeks help. Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran and I live in Dunfermline. I am = interested in setting up a dual boot system with xp/me on an Athlon 1800 = desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with linux systems. = =20 Windows authentication procedures for xp have been the spur to = investigate this possibility, however I remain nervous about the = prospect of a)"messing about" with a functioning system and b) learning = about an unfamiliar OS.=20 =20 Can I have some advice please? =20 I have read about different distros, what would you recommend to a new = user? What information do I need to collect about my hardware prior to = insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive before how do I do it? =20 =20 Thank you =20 Shaun Moran =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_019F_01C36109.E0462840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Shaun,

am also in Dunfermline.

I'd try and get the bits together for a = cheap box=20 (eg 500MHz processor) and have it running separately.

I've installed mandrake 9 which I got = off Linux=20 Format mag in December. but can't help on dual-boot systems. = Mandrake ha sbeen pretty good, using KDE as the GUI.

had a problem with networking windows = and llinux=20 box but with the help of David managed to get the gateway = resolved.

regards Brian

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Shaun=20 Moran

To: standrews@mailman.lug.org.uk =

Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 = 9:30=20 PM

Subject: [StAndrews and Fife = LUG] Linux=20 newbie seeks help.

Hi everyone my name is Shaun Moran = and I live in=20 Dunfermline. I am interested in setting up a dual boot system with = xp/me on an=20 Athlon 1800 desktop with a 60g disk. I have no experience at all with = linux=20 systems.

Windows authentication procedures for = xp have=20 been the spur to investigate this possibility, however I remain = nervous about=20 the prospect of a)"messing about" with a functioning system and = b)=20 learning about an unfamiliar OS.

Can I have some advice = please?

I have read about different = distros, what=20 would you recommend to a new user? What information do I need to = collect about=20 my hardware prior to insatllation? I have never partitioned a drive = before how=20 do I do it?

Thank you

Shaun Moran

------=_NextPart_000_019F_01C36109.E0462840-- From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Aug 13 20:15:00 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (Stuart McCulloch Anderson) Date: Wed Aug 13 19:15:00 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] New Forums Message-ID: <1060798459.863caa58ccf36@webmail.nx14.com> This message is in MIME format. --=_3adac023370933ae4f93c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've updated the web page, we are now running the latest version of PHP-Nuke which also included a new version of the forum modules. Everyone who has an account will soon recive and passward retreval form just follow the intructions and log into your account from there you can make your password anything you want it to be again. I would like the Forums at our site to become more used, and ask people to go by them and see if there are any catagories you would like me to add. On that note you will also see that i took emails that have been sent to the mailinglist during the last year and put the information up in the forums. My last comment is, I want your idea and opinions. 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References: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Message-ID: <002501c3629f$b23cff90$f484fc3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Hi David, Bib and Brian, Thanks for the warm welcome and quick response. I managed to get a hold of a demolinux disk which I imagine is a long the same idea as Knoppix , David -so I have managed to dip my toes in pretty quickly. Think I am going to go with Suse, the large manual seems like a good idea. I will let you know how I get on, although I am wondering now about a single boot sytem as Brian recommends. No doubt I will be calling out for help pretty quickly. Cheers Shaun Ps Brian have you got all the Linux books out of Dunfermline library ;-) From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Aug 15 00:15:01 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (duncanbbd) Date: Thu Aug 14 23:15:01 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Re: Linux newbie seeks help. References: <004a01c36047$5e94cb20$fb04fd3e@yourlh62pnjpda> <002501c3629f$b23cff90$f484fc3e@yourlh62pnjpda> Message-ID: <005401c362b2$77959ba0$0201a8c0@fife.net> it was no me stealing the Linux books out of the Library !! I bought a SAMS Linux Unleashed a while ago, and pick up the occasional book from bookshops (when they sell them half-price) Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Moran To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:07 PM Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Re: Linux newbie seeks help. > Hi David, Bib and Brian, > > Thanks for the warm welcome and quick response. > > I managed to get a hold of a demolinux disk which I imagine is a long the > same idea as Knoppix , David -so I have managed to dip my toes in pretty > quickly. > > Think I am going to go with Suse, the large manual seems like a good idea. I > will let you know how I get on, although I am wondering now about a single > boot sytem as Brian recommends. > > No doubt I will be calling out for help pretty quickly. > > Cheers > > Shaun > > Ps Brian have you got all the Linux books out of Dunfermline library ;-) > > > > > > > > > /*************************************************************\ > | StAndrews and Fife Linux User Group | > | * LUG Master - master@standrews.lug.org | > | * MailingList Manager - standrews-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk | > | * IRC Operator - irc@standrews.lug.org | > \*************************************************************/ > From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Aug 24 14:43:00 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (Shaun Moran) Date: Sun Aug 24 13:43:00 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Newbie sucessfully installs Suse Message-ID: <1061724446.2807.27.camel@linux.local> Hi everyone, Just a line to say that I managed to install Suse on my system. I did decide to have a linux only machine in the end. I can maintain my ligering addiction to MS on my other machine. I thought having a single Boot system as my desktop at home would be more likely to push me towards learning. The install was relatively painless - a few hardware problems with stuff wrongly detected etc. Managed to sort most of it out although I have to say I did it through GUI rather than command lines. I gave up on my modem and went out and bought a standard AT external modem. Previously I had a usb modem which worked well with windows. It turned out it was a soft modem and although I found some beta drivers it all seemed a bit much to attempt to install at that point in time. I am currently using the KDE desktop and have been very impressed by the software on default installed. Shaun Moran From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Aug 25 11:23:01 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (brian) Date: Mon Aug 25 10:23:01 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Newbie sucessfully installs Suse References: <1061724446.2807.27.camel@linux.local> Message-ID: <001001c36a8d$16c443c0$0201a8c0@fife.net> well done, I'm not sure what if any firewall you are using but I can recommend 'guarddog' which came with one of the Linux Format mags. I used Mandrake 9.0 which again came from the same mag, and I was wondering abotu upgrading - and perhaps even paying for it as I think these companies deserve our support Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Moran To: fifelug Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Newbie sucessfully installs Suse > Hi everyone, > > Just a line to say that I managed to install Suse on my system. I did > decide to have a linux only machine in the end. I can maintain my > ligering addiction to MS on my other machine. I thought having a single > Boot system as my desktop at home would be more likely to push me > towards learning. > > The install was relatively painless - a few hardware problems with stuff > wrongly detected etc. Managed to sort most of it out although I have to > say I did it through GUI rather than command lines. I gave up on my > modem and went out and bought a standard AT external modem. Previously I > had a usb modem which worked well with windows. It turned out it was a > soft modem and although I found some beta drivers it all seemed a bit > much to attempt to install at that point in time. > > I am currently using the KDE desktop and have been very impressed by the > software on default installed. > > > > > Shaun Moran > > > /*************************************************************\ > | StAndrews and Fife Linux User Group | > | * LUG Master - master@standrews.lug.org | > | * MailingList Manager - standrews-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk | > | * IRC Operator - irc@standrews.lug.org | > \*************************************************************/ > From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Aug 25 15:10:00 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (Stuart McCulloch Anderson) Date: Mon Aug 25 14:10:00 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Offline IMAP Message-ID: <1061816966.2f964307ba1b6@webmail.nx14.com> This message is in MIME format. --=_24adf98068becfc00380e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Anyone of a program that can download imap mail in the background? I've for fetchmail running now but i only downloads my inbox and i have about 7-8 other folders with mailin them i'd like it to download? I tryd using evolution or Kmail but they both download the headers of the mail and only download the body when im trying to read it, which is no good for offline reading. 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Pretty neat. Shaun From standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Aug 26 00:38:00 2003 From: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Tillotson) Date: Mon Aug 25 23:38:00 2003 Subject: [StAndrews and Fife LUG] Offline IMAP In-Reply-To: <1061816966.2f964307ba1b6@webmail.nx14.com> References: <1061816966.2f964307ba1b6@webmail.nx14.com> Message-ID: In message <1061816966.2f964307ba1b6@webmail.nx14.com>, Stuart McCulloch Anderson writes >Hi, > Anyone of a program that can download imap mail in the background? I've for >fetchmail running now but i only downloads my inbox and i have about 7-8 other >folders with mailin them i'd like it to download? > I tryd using evolution or Kmail but they both download the headers of the mail >and only download the body when im trying to read it, which is no good for >offline reading. IMAP is an on-line only protocol (or was when conceived!) To be honest, IMAP syncing should be possible in most mail clients. I know that Mozilla works (with some tweaking of the options), and I would have thought that Evolution could do it! IIRC mailsync was available as a "syncing proxy" - Yep, Google just confirmed it: http://mailsync.sourceforge.net/ HTH -- David Tillotson