[SWLUG] Fedora 11 es1371 borked sound

[David Scourfield]

Mike Martin wrote:
> 2009/6/18 Phillip Muldoon <pkmuldoon at picobot.org>:
>   
>> 2009/6/18 Steve Hill <steve at nexusuk.org>
>>     
>>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Phillip Muldoon wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Well, if it was RPM-based, it would be a variation of CentOS since
>>>>         
>>> Not true - lots of distros use RPM, even ones that have nothing to do with
>>> CentOS.
>>>
>>> In any case, I don't see why the packaging method has *any* bearing at all
>>> on whether the distro likes your hardware - this seems to be a red herring.
>>>       
>> Just to nit pick on quoting, I did not say that ;)
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       
>>>>      Ubuntu has just seemed to be ahead of Fedora in terms of
>>>>      usability for
>>>>      years and seems to have less hassles with hardware (without
>>>>      it being
>>>>      user error).
>>>>
>>>> You're going to have to qualify this statement, you knew it was coming.
>>>>         
>>> I think this is possibly a "what did you use first" thing.  Personally I
>>> find Ubuntu very unuserfriendly compared to Fedora, but Ubuntu does seem to
>>> be an extremely popular introductory distro.  There are probably a number of
>>> factors here:
>>>
>>> Firstly, Ubuntu's marketting machine has been much better than most other
>>> free (beer) distros - Canonical have sunk a *lot* of money into the
>>> marketting.  I'll leave everyone to make their own decision on whether this
>>> was a Good Thing or if they should have been spending that money on
>>> developers. :)
>>>
>>> Secondly, Windows users who are trying Linux for the first time seem to be
>>> happier with Ubuntu - this may partly be down to the marketting thing (so it
>>> was the first thing they tried) but also it may simply be that Ubuntu's UI
>>> is more Windows-like.  Of course, being Windows-like isn't necessarilly a
>>> good thing for long-term Linux users - I find Windows' UI to be about the
>>> least userfriendly thing out there. :)
>>>
>>> At this point, I'll say that the Linux distros I have mostly used for the
>>> past 12 years have been Red Hat Linux, Fedora, RHEL and CentOS, so my
>>> judgement may be coloured by a familiarity with Red Hat based distros.  I
>>> also haven't used Windows for anything serious in the last 8 years.
>>>       
>> I really like them both, and they both have thier place.  I was curious to
>> the nature of why replacing one with the other would solve a (this) problem.
>> Does Ubuntu have a kernel with better sound drivers? Less buggy? I dunno,
>> was asking why this was suggested as a solution. I'm researching the
>> original issue, and that normally means using bugzilla and finding previous
>> reports. This can be  tedious. I wish we could fix/improve bugzilla ;)
>>
>>
>>     
>>>       
>>>> And secondly the the distros are built pretty much from the same
>>>> software.
>>>>         
>>> Ahh, but it is probably the default configuration that makes most of the
>>> difference rather than the actual software used.  With enough time, you can
>>> make Ubuntu *look* very close to Fedora, for example, through simple
>>> reconfiguration, but who wants to spend the time doing that?
>>>
>>> As an example, (I'll get flamed for this, but...) I find Debian a pretty
>>> horendous distro because the default configuration for *everything* seems to
>>> be terrible.  Yes, I can spend hours reconfiguring it to act sensibly, but
>>> why would I bother when I can pick one of a large number of other distros
>>> which comes sensibly configured out of the box?
>>>
>>> I'll also take this opportunity to mention that, in my experience, the
>>> most popular distros used in industry (mainly on servers) seem to be
>>> RHEL/CentOS and to a lesser extent, SLES; so whatever you use at home, it is
>>> very worthwhile having a good knowledge of Red Hat style distros, assuming
>>> that you're in (or want to be in) that sort of job.
>>>
>>>       
>> I used (and still use Debian) for years.  My job requires me to run many
>> different distros, as I generally work upstream in projects. But I've been
>> with Fedora (and RHL before that), when it was born.  I really want to
>> improve it. If it is failing somewhere it should be fixed. And remain
>> positive too; the future for Linux of all stripes has never looked better,
>> or brighter.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Phil
>>
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> hear hear
>   
Mike, how are you finding life after leaving your job as speaker?