[Wiltshire] August meeting

Thu Jul 23 15:16:07 UTC 2009

My point was to say that you can get the address space now. And individuals
can if they want to. I appreciate the costs but admit I should have said why
go through all this on your own when you can get allocated via your ISP.

I think to be honest individuals may well find that for the foreseeable
future IPV4 will be there preferred Protocol.

One last thing to add there is private IPV6 space available as with 192.168
and 10.0. so that you can play with it, but again most if not all (not sure)
consumer routers do not have an IPV6 stack.

2009/7/23 matt caddy <linux at rave.star.co.uk>

> Its not quite that easy to get an ipv6 allocation from RIPE. To do so
> would require you to be a RIPE NCC member, ie to become a LIR (Local
> Internet Registry). An end user / consumer is not going to become a
> LIR.  It costs 2000 euro to become a LIR - bit out of the reach of an
> end user wanting some ipv6 addresses. Plus you have to show that you
> will be sub allocating to your own customers and so fourth.
>
> You cant really get around this by applying for PI (provider
> independent) address space either, that route requires that you will be
> multihomed, which again is a bit out of reach for end users (and most
> small companies really)
>
> Your best option is to simply ask your provider. If your provider isnt
> yet doing ipv6 then your really only left with going with a ipv6 tunnel
> broker, such as the one provided, for free,  by Hurricane Electric
> (tunnelbroker.net). This will give you ipv6 over ipv4 and works pretty
> well.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
>
> Mike Paglia wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been using the Internet since 1993 when I started an ISP called
> > Interalpha which then became Mistral Internet based in Brighton. IPV6
> > as you state has indeed been around for sometime. ISP's including
> > Interalpha/Mistral did in fact take IPV6 up but initially over a
> > separate core for testing. As time went by we slowly moved it into the
> > main core to allow interaction over BGP with other ISP's. From our
> > part we had no intention to put this out into the consumer market
> > firstly again as you point out that most consumer router manufacturers
> > have not released a router with the IPV6 stack.
> >
> > Secondly there is no reason to do so at this point as NAT is a
> > perfectly good way of solving the IP shortage problem. In answer to
> > your question about security and hiding behind NAT well to be honest
> > you cant hide as your routers real world IP is in the header that goes
> > to the rest of the world and your ISP has a log of who is leased what
> > IP at anytime. Don't forget the NAT happens at your router and not on
> > the Internet.
> >
> > Anyone cant get allocated IPV6 address space right now if you like,
> > you just have to be a member of a registrar like RIPE. Then fill out
> > what used to be called a RIPE 141 form and bob your uncle you get the
> > ranges.
> >
> > To be honest IPV4 will be here for a while so I would not worry to
> > much about it.
> >
> > 2009/7/23 David Fletcher <dave at thefletchers.net
> > <mailto:dave at thefletchers.net>>
>  >
> >     Something I keep wondering about because it will be happening
> >     sometime in the
> >     future but I've no idea when, because nobody seems to be taking
> >     any interest
> >     in something so fundamental, is IPV6.
> >
> >     If anybody has any expertise on the subject, it might be good to
> >     spend a
> >     little time telling the rest of us.
> >
> >     Specifically:-
> >
> >     As far as I know, even though IPV6 has been available on operating
> >     systems for
> >     quite a while, ISPs are showing no interest in implementing it on
> >     their
> >     broadband services. Why?
> >
> >     Manufacturers of consumer internet routers do not appear to be
> >     implementing
> >     IPV6 on their products. Why?
> >
> >     When it eventually becomes possible to buy an IPV6 enabled
> >     consumer level
> >     router, or run a firmware update to obtain IPV6, and ISPs are
> >     providing the
> >     service, what impact will it have on the likes of us?
> >
> >     We are all used to having NAT on our routers. I understand that it
> >     is there as
> >     a consequence of not having enough IPV4 addresses for every
> >     computer in the
> >     world. Given that it has the effect of hiding the real IP address of
> a
> >     computer, it seems to me to be a nice feature to have for
> >     security. Will it
> >     vanish along with IPV4?
> >
> >     What will happen with private networks? Wikipedia states that IPV6
> >     has a built
> >     in provision for these. Will they operate in a similar fashion
> >     with an IPV6
> >     version of NAT?
> >
> >     Will every Internet user be able to purchase a block of IPV6
> >     addresses for
> >     personal use? In that case, does every computer become,
> >     effectively, directly
> >     connected to the Internet, and completely dependent for security
> >     on its own
> >     firewall? In this case will the router be replaced by something
> >     more like an
> >     ethernet switch?
> >
> >     And, just as an afterthought, what happened to IPV5?
> >
> >     See you all at the next meeting.
> >
> >     Dave
> >
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