[Wolves] The great marketing debate:

[Andy Wootton]

My contribution:

You can sell a product (or service) because it is a great product OR 
because it has good marketing.

I think most of the debates in Meatspace* LUG and on LUG Radio have been 
because Matt has been educated to believe that the OR is inclusive and 
the rest of  us have had too much  experience with organisations that 
thought they had to choose.

* - and veggie-space in OCB's case

Woo