http://jobsearch.monster.co.uk/getjob.asp?JobID=38180881&AVSDM=2006%2D01%2D09+13%3A05%3A31&Logo=1&pg=2&cy=uk&fn=6&jt=2&q=basic&sort=rv&vw=d I've never been amused by a job advert before. 'A pathological distrust of the following would also be of great interest: Windows, C#, Java, Visual Basic, "Certified Engineer" status.' -- Dan