[Wolves] FOSS, who's it for? Us or them?

Adam Sweet adam at adamsweet.org
Thu Sep 25 10:35:10 UTC 2008

Typos a plenty...

"whether Konqueror uses Webkit", not "whether Konqueror used Webkit".
"globe", not "glove".


Adam Sweet wrote:
> Kevanf1 wrote:
>> Out of interest, where did the Chrome code come from in the first
>> place?  Is it a derivative of Firefox?  Because if so Firefox isn't
>> strictly all open source.  That's why Debian package it again as
>> Iceweasle (sp?)
> I forgot this myself last time this thread was live. The html rendering
> engine is Webkit from Apple. Webkit was derived from KHTML, which was
> the Konqueror rendering engine. I don't know if KHTML *is* Webkit these
> days and whether Konqueror used Webkit rather than KHTML.
> http://webkit.org/
> Webkit is LGPL (has to link against non-Free libaries, ie OS X), as is
> KHTML. I don't know if any other part of Chrome uses Free software.
> Firefox is MPL (Mozilla Public License). I don't know the ins and outs
> of the MPL itself, but the issue is that Mozilla are strict about the
> use of their trademarks. Modifications made by Debian to their FF and TB
> packages meant they don't comply with Mozilla's trademarks, and so
> Firefox and Thunderbird are known as IceWeasel and IceDove, to comply
> with the Mozilla trademark restrictions.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla
> Many of us have heard that Mozilla have insisted that Ubuntu presents
> users with an EULA the first time they started. The amount of resentment
> generated has caused Mozilla to re-negotiate with Canonical and it looks
> like there won't be an EULA any more. This is a bullshit situation that
> has been going on for a few years and I think is of far more consequence
> the Chrome not being released for Linux yet. Remember when Ubuntu used
> to use a simple glove icon for Firefox and called it 'Web Browser'?
> The Gnome browser Epiphany is due to shift to Webkit instead of using
> Gecko (the Firefox rendering engine) due to issues with how complicated
> Gecko is to embed and it's glacial evolution. According to an article I
> read a while back, Gecko only gets a new release when Firefox increased
> in major release numbers, so there were no updates to Gecko between the
> releases of Firefox 2 and 3, which means for the Epiphany people, Gecko
> is pretty crusty.
> I suspect that if Mozilla continue to be truculent over their
> trademarks, we're going to end up using Epiphany on Webkit or Chrome as
> the default browser on many distributions.
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