[Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue Reply to Adam Sweet
JENETTE PALMER
jenette.palmer at btinternet.com
Mon Jul 6 12:00:37 UTC 2009
Thanks Adam I get the general idea and it is not easy because I do keep comparing it to Windows. I only want to scan my emails with clamav but don't know how to make clamv scan them beforre I open them.
The sudo-apt and following commands don't work with the update manager because I think there is something wrong with the basic installation of the package - it does not show what updates there are - so I can't choose and also I don't think it links to the data correctly to download them anyway. I know there's something wrong - I have tried reinstalling it with synaptic and it is just the same. I don't get offered the chance to upgrade to to the next distribution either so I am just stuck with 8.04. Theres no disc drive in my laptop-but I am convinced there is something wrong with the software that Dell has preinstalled anyway if I were to try and reinstall it with an optical drive.
It doesn't really matter because I can use the internet on my other laptop which I assume is safer -but its just irritating. Other than that I like it-its quite simple,.
Thanks anyway -don't worry if you haven't got the inclination to try and help more - I'll pester Launchpad see if anyone is bored there!
jenette palmer
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1. Announcement (member dick_turpin)
2. Re: Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette (JENETTE PALMER)
3. Re: Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette (Foofy)
4. Re: Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette (Adam Sweet)
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Hi All
For those of you who are more observant you may have noticed some
additions to my sig recently, if you have seen it then you may have
guessed that I've been working on a project that's now ready (Sort of)
for general consumption.
Announcing the launch of ArchLinux UK http://www.archlinux.org.uk
We have no official affiliation with ArchLinux (archlinux.org) the
intention is to give UK users a *UK home* while there are micro goups
on FaceBook, Twitter et al the only site I could find was a .co.uk
that now points to .us (Which I'll get changed in due course.
I've registered an IRC channel with Freenode irc.freenode.net
#archlinux.org.uk and the site has a Forum and I will be adding more
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however no sensible offer will be turned down.
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in terrible things happening to your system.... Oops sorry wrong mail
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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:55:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: JENETTE PALMER <jenette.palmer at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette
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It might be you that thinks I am bit scary not the other way round-you might be the ones to run off if I come to your meetings! Anyway more seriously is there anyone who could tell me how to make the update manager stop updating the same 91 updates all by itself! Also can anyone explain how clamv actually does anything! I have ubuntu running on a Dell Mini (2 weeks old) and vista premium on an Acer laptop which is a reassuring friend when I cannot get to grips with making Ubuntu do what I want to. I cant write a command line other than sudo apt-get which seems to be the answer to everything(except I cant think what to put after it!
That will do for now!
best wishes
Jenette
jenette palmer
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Subject: Re: [Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 6
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DragonMaster wrote:
> Dave Morley wrote:
>> On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 13:24 +0000, JENETTE PALMER wrote:
>>???
>>> Sorry there I think I am being am bit impolite.? I am totally new to
>>> Linux and Linux Emporium suggested I go to a LUG to learn more so they
>>> gave me this link.? I think I am out of my depth in your discussions -
>>> I have a few issues but they are a bit trivial compared to your
>>> subject matter-so I will read around things first and then maybe I
>>> can join in! Thanks for replying anyway.
>>>
>>> Jenette
>>>
>>> jenette palmer
>>>
>>>? ???
>
> Hi, I did reply earlier, but used the wrong email account and the
> MailMan server rejected it..;-) Oops...
>
> I would like to re-iterate the comments others have made.? There are no
> trivial questions just lame answers sometimes...? :lol:? As Dave has on
> his sig - "
>
> Seek That Thy Might Know"
Hi Jenette,
The other thing to do is to come to a meeting one Wednesday Evening, The
next should be on the 15th July. We are quite friendly bunch really. We
may look scary but we are "Mostly Harmless" ;-)
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Ron Wellsted
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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:35:08 +0100
From: Foofy <foofy.licker at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette
To: Wolverhampton Linux User Group <wolves at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Hi Jenette and welcome
sudo apt-get update
will check for any updates available for your system, after that if you
want to download & install the updates you need to run:
sudo apt-get upgrade
Hope that helps.
Chris
Plokm.org
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 20:55 +0000, JENETTE PALMER wrote:
> It might be you that thinks I am bit scary not the other way round-you
> might be the ones to run off if I come to your meetings! Anyway more
> seriously is there anyone who could tell me how to make the update
> manager stop updating the same 91 updates all by itself! Also can
> anyone explain how clamv actually does anything! I have ubuntu running
> on a Dell Mini (2 weeks old) and vista premium on an Acer laptop which
> is a reassuring friend when I cannot get to grips with making Ubuntu
> do what I want to. I cant write a command line other than sudo apt-get
> which seems to be the answer to everything(except I cant think what to
> put after it!
>
> That will do for now!
>
> best wishes
>
> Jenette
>
> jenette palmer
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 6
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> DragonMaster wrote:
> > Dave Morley wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 13:24 +0000, JENETTE PALMER wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry there I think I am being am bit impolite. I am
> totally new to
> >>> Linux and Linux Emporium suggested I go to a LUG to learn
> more so they
> >>> gave me this link. I think I am out of my depth in your
> discussions -
> >>> I have a few issues but they are a bit trivial compared to
> your
> >>> subject matter-so I will read around things first and then
> maybe I
> >>> can join in! Thanks for replying anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Jenette
> >>>
> >>> jenette palmer
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > Hi, I did reply earlier, but used the wrong email account
> and the
> > MailMan server rejected it..;-) Oops...
> >
> > I would like to re-iterate the comments others have made.
> There are no
> > trivial questions just lame answers sometimes... :lol: As
> Dave has on
> > his sig - "
> >
> > Seek That Thy Might Know"
>
> Hi Jenette,
> The other thing to do is to come to a meeting one Wednesday
> Evening, The
> next should be on the 15th July. We are quite friendly bunch
> really. We
> may look scary but we are "Mostly Harmless" ;-)
>
> - --
> Ron Wellsted
> ron at wellsted.org.uk http://www.wellsted.org.uk
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:30:33 +0100
From: Adam Sweet <adam at adamsweet.org>
Subject: Re: [Wolves] Wolves Digest, Vol 298, Issue 8-Jenette
To: Wolverhampton Linux User Group <wolves at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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JENETTE PALMER wrote:
> It might be you that thinks I am bit scary not the other way round-you
> might be the ones to run off if I come to your meetings!
You haven't seen how ugly we are...
> Anyway more
> seriously is there anyone who could tell me how to make the update
> manager stop updating the same 91 updates all by itself!
Not really without seeing what's happening. If you use apt-get on the
command line there are 2 steps to go through. The first gets the latest
list of software packages available and the next installs any updates
for what you already have installed.
Linux separates users for security, you have normal users like you or I
who have restricted access to the system for safety and you have the
root user, who is all powerful and can do anything to the system. As
normal users don't have full access to do anything they choose on a
system, you can temporarily run a command as root by starting it with
the sudo command, so the 2 commands I was talking about are:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
As I said, the first one refreshes the list of available software and
the second installs any newer versions of what you already have installed.
Try those 2 commands in a terminal and if it doesn't work, copy whatever
it says and paste it into an email to the mailing list and we'll see if
we can work out why it's not working.
> Also can anyone
> explain how clamv actually does anything!
ClamAV isn't like a Windows style AV engine in so much that it isn't
constantly running in the background and therefore it doesn't do the
on-access style scanning of files as you open them which is probably why
it isn't working the way you think it should. ClamAV is normally either
run manually to scan a particular file or directory, or it is glued into
a mail server application to scan emails for viruses.
To scan a file manually, try the following:
clamscan filename
of course swap the word 'filename' with the name of the file to scan.
Alternatively, to scan a directory try the following:
clamscan -r ~
The ~ symbol means your user's home directory. Every user has their own
home directory and it is similar to My Documents under Windows. If your
username is jenette, your home directory would be /home/jenette but the
~ is like a shortcut that means the same thing. You could just as easily
typed:
clamscan -r /home/jenette
or for some other directory:
clamscan -r directoryname
The -r means to do it recursively, which means scan every file in every
directory which is underneath the directory you specified. In this case
you told it to scan everything underneath your /home/jenette.
Does that make sense? If not, just ask.
In any case, there isn't any real need to run an AV scanner under Linux
unless you are using it to protect Windows users. There aren't really
any real Linux viruses in the same way that there are for Windows.
That's not to say that Linux is bullet proof, but there just aren't the
same threats to Linux as there are for Windows and Windows viruses don't
work under Linux. If you wanted to scan files under Linux before you
open them under Windows, just to be safe, then that makes sense, or as I
said before, if you were running a mail server or a file server for
Windows users then that would make sense too, but for your average Linux
desktop system, there's really no need. Admittedly that might not always
be the case but it is at the moment.
You don't need to defragment your hard disk under Linux either.
Anti-virus and disk defragging are pretty common things that Windows
users have to think about that Linux users don't.
Linux can seem pretty complicated and confusing at the beginning, but
only because you are used to something different. However, Linux is far
better at telling you what went wrong than Windows as pretty much
everything is logged under the /var/log/ directory.
In any case, you're in quite a unique position compared to those of us
who have been around a while, you get to start at the beginning and see
all the things that should be easy or obvious, which we are used to
ignoring or working around without thinking about it. It would be
interesting to hear what you find difficult.
Regards,
Adam Sweet
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