From davef at gbdirect.co.ukdavef Fri Sep 1 17:24:13 2000 From: davef at gbdirect.co.ukdavef (davef@gbdirect.co.ukdavef) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:24:13 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] [URGENT DEFINITIVE INFO NEEDED] Filesystem Quotas on Linux Anyone got the definitive line on how you setup up quotas (from the beginning) in Linux? Is it: 1. BSD-ish, e.g. use "quota" in /etc/fstab 2. System V-ish, change rw to rq in /etc/fstab 3. AIX-ish "quota = userquota,groupquota" in /etc/filesystems ??? TIA Dave -- DAVE FISHER, GBdirect Consultancy and Training 27 Park Drive, Bradford, BD9 4DS, tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 mail: davef@gbdirect.co.uk http://www.gbdirect.co.uk Geographical Search Engine (UK) From FrankShuteshute at esperance.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 1 21:26:16 2000 From: FrankShuteshute at esperance.demon.co.uk (FrankShuteshute@esperance.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:26:16 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] [URGENT DEFINITIVE INFO NEEDED] Filesystem Quotas on Linux On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:24:13PM +0100, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: > > Anyone got the definitive line on how you setup up quotas (from the > beginning) in Linux? less /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Quota looks like it's the definitive guide. -- Frank *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* | Boroughbridge | Tel: 01423 323019 | PGP keyID: 0xC0B341A3 | *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* http://www.esperance.demon.co.uk/ From davef at gbdirect.co.ukdavef Fri Sep 1 21:53:14 2000 From: davef at gbdirect.co.ukdavef (davef@gbdirect.co.ukdavef) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:53:14 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] [URGENT DEFINITIVE INFO NEEDED] Filesystem Quotas on Linux On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:26:16PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:24:13PM +0100, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: > > > > Anyone got the definitive line on how you setup up quotas (from the > > beginning) in Linux? > > less /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Quota > > looks like it's the definitive guide. And rather old (1977) ... Perhaps I should have pinted out that I had already checked in the obvious places, before asking the group. The mini howto is old and appears at variance with other, more recent stuff i've read. Dave -- DAVE FISHER, GBdirect Consultancy and Training 27 Park Drive, Bradford, BD9 4DS, tel: +44 (0)1274 772277 mail: davef@gbdirect.co.uk http://www.gbdirect.co.uk Geographical Search Engine (UK) From FrankShuteshute at esperance.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 2 00:39:10 2000 From: FrankShuteshute at esperance.demon.co.uk (FrankShuteshute@esperance.demon.co.uk) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] [URGENT DEFINITIVE INFO NEEDED] Filesystem Quotas on Linux On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:53:14PM +0100, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:26:16PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:24:13PM +0100, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Anyone got the definitive line on how you setup up quotas (from the > > > beginning) in Linux? > > > > less /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Quota > > > > looks like it's the definitive guide. > > And rather old (1977) ... Perhaps I should have pinted out that I had already > checked in the obvious places, before asking the group. 1977? Surely you exaggerate ;-) It's still listed at the LDP (not as unmaintained) so I assume it is still relevant. FWIW, I seem to have installed a lot of the the programs it talks about on my RH6.1 workstation (although I don't use quotas): $ apropos quota edquota (8) - edit user quotas quota (1) - display disk usage and limits quotacheck (8) - scan a file system for disk usages quotactl (2) - manipulate disk quotas quotaon, quotaoff (8) - turn file system quotas on and off repquota (8) - summarize quotas for a file system rquota (3) - implement quotas on remote machines rquotad, rpc.rquotad (8) - remote quota server > The mini howto is old and appears at variance with other, more recent > stuff i've read. ?! I suppose the answer is to suck it and see. -- Frank *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* | Boroughbridge | Tel: 01423 323019 | PGP keyID: 0xC0B341A3 | *-------*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-----*-------* http://www.esperance.demon.co.uk/ From Bentony at leedsnet.com Fri Sep 1 19:14:08 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:14:08 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Strange disk problems At 12:31 AM 8/21/00, David Pashley wrote: >I have a strange problem. I have a large drive as hda (30Gb). I can not >write to hda7. Below is the output of 'p' in fdisk > >[...] >Any ideas would be fantastic. > >BTW >Linux David 2.4.0-test7 #3 SMP Sat Aug 19 01:26:23 BST 2000 i686 unknown >running debian woody 2.3 This is a tricky one. I am not certain that is anything serious, but you might want to make a complete backup of your disk, or at least your data before going any further. You may get more help if you study the linux-hardware list, and its FAQ. Not experiencing the problems myself, I haven't necessarily checked the resources as thoroughly as you are motivated to do; but it seems that the only likely cause for that combination of error messages is an attempt to write beyond the end of a partition. To pursue this further you would need to study the ide-cd.c file in the kernel source (and perhaps others, but you get the drift). Another thought is that this sort of thing can be specific to kernels, particularly kernels with issues; you might want to move back to say, 2.2.14 - check with kernel mailing list. Whilst it is not essential if you are a expert, you ought to reserve fsck for use on unmounted drives. badblocks will do what you want. Sorry I can't be more helpful; please let us know how you get on. Ben. From Bentony at leedsnet.com Sat Sep 2 13:36:07 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:36:07 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] [URGENT DEFINITIVE INFO NEEDED] Filesystem Quotas on Linux At 09:53 PM 9/1/00, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: >On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:26:16PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:24:13PM +0100, davef@gbdirect.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Anyone got the definitive line on how you setup up quotas (from the > > > beginning) in Linux? > > > > less /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Quota > > > > looks like it's the definitive guide. > >And rather old (1977) ... Perhaps I should have pinted out that I had already >checked in the obvious places, before asking the group. > >The mini howto is old and appears at variance with other, more recent >stuff i've read. Dave, You make perfectly good points. I don't know the urgent definitive answer (or, for that matter, anything about anything), but you might want to check here < URL:http://www.linuxia.de/linux.en.html#quota > for something brief and up to date. Whether it is either accurate or helpful ... I think that the quota either is, or has recently been, BSD-ish, and it should be in man fstab (but isn't). Ben. From Bentony at leedsnet.com Fri Sep 1 17:36:36 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:36:36 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] transparent squid proxy and a firewall > > > hosts. Firewalls will change again with the new kernel. > >Oh marvellous. Just when I learn one system... (I still run 2.0.36 on >some non-safety-critical boxen). About 80% of the way down < URL:http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-07-17-014-04-NW-LF-KN >. I think that this brings a complete implementation of NAT and is therefore to be welcomed. I too have 2.0.36 on one machine; you might want to check on security and related fixes which can bring it up to 2.0.39. Note that although the rpms and tarballs that contain the kernel source steadily increase in size, most of the enlargement is drivers and architecture specific code. The actual core of the kernel has stayed much the same size for years. There is no need to upgrade any late 2.0 kernel if you are happy with it. See < URL:http://www.kernelnotes.org/20-index.html >. Ben. From NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 10:39:07 2000 From: NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk (NikJewellL.N.Jewell@leeds.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Filesytem problem Hi I'm suffering a strange problem on one of my boxes. This excerpt from the boot log shows services not starting due to no space on /var: Sep 5 10:28:09 ltsn19-nj1 keytable: Loading keymap: Sep 5 10:28:09 ltsn19-nj1 keytable: Loading /usr/lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/uk.kmap.gz Sep 5 10:28:09 ltsn19-nj1 keytable: Loading system font: Sep 5 10:28:10 ltsn19-nj1 keytable: touch: Sep 5 10:28:10 ltsn19-nj1 keytable: /var/lock/subsys/keytable: No space left on device Sep 5 10:28:10 ltsn19-nj1 rc: Starting keytable succeeded Sep 5 10:28:11 ltsn19-nj1 sendmail: sendmail startup succeeded Sep 5 10:28:11 ltsn19-nj1 junkbuster: Starting junkbuster: Sep 5 10:28:12 ltsn19-nj1 junkbuster: touch: Sep 5 10:28:12 ltsn19-nj1 junkbuster: junkbuster Sep 5 10:28:12 ltsn19-nj1 junkbuster: /var/lock/subsys/junkbuster: No space left on device Sep 5 10:28:12 ltsn19-nj1 rc: Starting junkbuster succeeded Sep 5 10:28:12 ltsn19-nj1 gpm: gpm startup succeeded Sep 5 10:28:15 ltsn19-nj1 httpd: fopen: No space left on device Sep 5 10:28:15 ltsn19-nj1 httpd: httpd: could not open error log file /var/log/httpd/error_log. Sep 5 10:28:15 ltsn19-nj1 httpd: httpd startup failed However, df reports the following: [nik@ltsn19-nj1 nik]$ df /dev/hda11 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda11 202220 78766 113014 41% /var I've checked the file system for errors but none show up. Any ideas? Thanks Nik -- *********************************************************************** Dr Nik Jewell, C&IT Manager LTSN Philosophical and Religious Studies Subject Centre School of Philosophy, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Tel: +44 (0)113 233 3275, Fax: 3265, Nik@prs-ltsn.leeds.ac.uk *********************************************************************** From GaryStainburngary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Sep 5 10:51:08 2000 From: GaryStainburngary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (GaryStainburngary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:51:08 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Filesytem problem -----Original Message----- From: Nik Jewell [SMTP:L.N.Jewell@leeds.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:39 AM To: wylug-help@wylug.org.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Filesytem problem >Hi > >I'm suffering a strange problem on one of my boxes. This excerpt from the boot >log shows services not starting due to no space on /var: [logsnip] >However, df reports the following: > >[nik@ltsn19-nj1 nik]$ df /dev/hda11 >Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >/dev/hda11 202220 78766 113014 41% /var > >I've checked the file system for errors but none show up. > >Any ideas? > >Thanks > >Nik Here's a stab in the dark for you!! I once got disk full errors when I really had permissions problems. It won't hurt to check the directory modes and owners. ----------------------------------------- Gary Stainburn. Work: http://www.ringways.co.uk mailto:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk REVCOM: http://www.revcom.org.uk mailto:gary.stainburn@revcom.org.uk ----------------------------------------- Murphy's Laws: (327) Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will use it. ----------------------------------------- From NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk Tue Sep 5 11:02:35 2000 From: NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk (NikJewellL.N.Jewell@leeds.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:02:35 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Filesytem problem -solved Thanks to Colin May for suggesting $df -i. Indeed, all the inodes are used up. Nik -- *********************************************************************** Dr Nik Jewell, C&IT Manager LTSN Philosophical and Religious Studies Subject Centre School of Philosophy, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Tel: +44 (0)113 233 3275, Fax: 3265, Nik@prs-ltsn.leeds.ac.uk *********************************************************************** From RobertSpeedRobS at viclabs.co.uk Wed Sep 6 16:17:28 2000 From: RobertSpeedRobS at viclabs.co.uk (RobertSpeedRobS@viclabs.co.uk) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:17:28 +0000 Subject: [Wylug-help] Memory (and WinTV card) In peoples general upgrading/throwing out duties... I don't suppose anyone has any 72pin 32MB or 16MB simms (EDO or FP) that they're thowing / wanting to get rid of ??? Also, will the person whose WinTV card I agreed to buy, get back in touch with me. I agreed to meet at a ShefLUG event, but had to get to Bramall Lane before the ticket office closed (sorry) and so I missed out on getting the card. As you can probably tell - I've also totally forgotten who it was I was supposed to see (and I rarely keep e-mails for more than a week or so...) TIA Rob S. Vickers (Laboratories) Ltd. Grangefield Industrial Estate, Pudsey, Leeds LS28 6QW Switchboard: +44 (0)113 236 2811 Fax: +44 (0)113 236 2703 All opinions are my own and ! Vickers. The nice thing about Windows is that it doesn't just crash. It displays a dialogue box and lets you click OK first. From MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk Wed Sep 6 22:59:47 2000 From: MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk (MartinRowemartin@jamaro.org.uk) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:59:47 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Wanted - good homes for surplus continuous listing paper Hi We've recently switched some of our customer documentation from pre-printed to plain A4. For whatever reason it was decided not to run the stocks down first. We now have a couple of dozen boxes of continuous A4 listing paper with our logo & a bit of lining on one side (which doesn't show through) and blank on the other. Rather than throw it away, our Operations chap wants it to go to good homes ;-) There are various play groups etc that we've (our IT dept) got kids at, that will be getting some - are there any Wyluggers that could make use of some; for themselves or others? Each box holds 2000 sheets. If those interested could let me know before Monday, and I'll bring some boxes with me. Regards, Martin -- martin@jamaro.org.uk (home) martin_rowe@moores.co.uk (work) jamaro@firstlinux.net (both) http://www.jamaro.org.uk From Bentony at leedsnet.com Wed Sep 6 18:22:50 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:22:50 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] DBI fails now my home directory's gone :( At 06:32 PM 8/10/00, Wills wrote: > Following physical relocation of our lab machines and reallocation >of IP addresses, I can't get my home directory from the server any >more (`mount -at nfs` => "server: Permission denied"). Subsequently >I'm trying to run a Perl/DBI script directly on the server, where >the DBI bit doesn't work unmodified. Is the permission denied because the exporting server checks the IP number? > Desktop machine: SuSE6.4eval(2.2.16-SMP on intel). > Server `uname -a`: "SunOS vwssun2 5.5.1 Generic sun4u sparc >SUNW,Ultra-1"; `showrev -p` suggests "No patches are installed". > > > When on the local host, the Perl-to-mySQL script fails to connect >with the 'dsn' left as-was. I get the same effect ("Access denied") >from the command line with: > mysql --host=`hostname` --user=vspadmin -p > mysql --host=`hostname`.`domainname` --user=vspadmin -p > > This works if: > I use "--host=vwssun2[.vws.co.uk]" from any other machine > I remove the "--host=..." argument. > I remove the 'hostname=' part of the dsn in the script. > > > Looking for two solutions therefore... in the latter (mySQL) >case, do I *have* to customise the dsn according to which machine I am not sure what you mean by dsn; the problem may be that the access tables in MySQL are no longer in accordance with reality. Get some strong sweet tea and read the documentation several times. It may fall into place. If not, see if you can't work out a cookbook solution from the examples given. Ben. From Bentony at leedsnet.com Wed Sep 6 18:29:34 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 18:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Apache Suexec problem. At 11:24 AM 8/9/00, Gary Stainburn wrote: >Hi all. > >I'm having problems setting up an Apache server. All's fine until I try >to run a cgi. >The URL is http://cms.ringways.co.uk/cgi-bin/query >The file is there and okay, as demonstrated by the first line of the >suexec_log below >but all I get back is '500 Internal Server Error' and the second line in >the suexec_log > >Does anyone have any suggestions? > >Virtual host section: > > user cms > group cms > ServerAdmin webmaster@ringways.co.uk > DocumentRoot /home/cms/public_html > ServerName cms.ringways.co.uk > ErrorLog logs/cms-error_log > CustomLog logs/cms-access_log common > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/cms/public_html/cgi-bin/ > > >suexec_log entries > >[2000-08-09 11:11:24]: info: (target/actual) uid: (cms/cms) gid: (cms/cms) >cmd: query >[2000-08-09 11:11:24]: emerg: cannot get docroot information >(/home/*/public_html) Do the directories /home/cms/public_html /home/cms/public_html/cgi-bin/ exist? Do the elements on the path to them have the proper permissions? Could you tell use which version of Apache you have? Its possible that the httpd.conf syntax has changed. Ben. From Bentony at leedsnet.com Wed Sep 6 17:54:09 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:54:09 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Memory (and WinTV card) At 04:17 PM 9/6/00, Robert Speed wrote: >In peoples general upgrading/throwing out duties... > >I don't suppose anyone has any 72pin 32MB or 16MB simms (EDO >or FP) that they're thowing / wanting to get rid of ??? Like many here, I feel more disposed to be a recipient of 'spare' RAM than a donor; I am particularly looking for a 32 or 64 MByte SODIMM for an iBook (if you are removing a DIMM to make way for a 128 or similar). However I probably can find at least some 16 SIMMs that are not being used at present if you gave me 6 weeks or so to hunt around - is that good enough? Ben. From AndrewTealA.Teal at hud.ac.uk Thu Sep 7 16:32:18 2000 From: AndrewTealA.Teal at hud.ac.uk (AndrewTealA.Teal@hud.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:32:18 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] subnet mask & default gateway Please tell me where a Redhat installation would have stored these details ... Thanks ! -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Andrew Teal Tel: 01484 47 3674 School Programmer School of Human & Health Sciences University of Huddersfield, Queensgate, Huddersfield, HD1 3DH From Bentony at leedsnet.com Thu Sep 7 18:36:26 2000 From: Bentony at leedsnet.com (Bentony@leedsnet.com) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:36:26 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] subnet mask & default gateway At 04:32 PM 9/7/00, Andrew Teal wrote: >Please tell me where a Redhat installation would have stored these details >... On my system, I investigate problems in this area using the command 'route' to display or modify the kernel's routing table. So if you know a bit about Networking, you could try 'man route'. I have a book called 'The Linux Network' by Fred Butzen and Christopher Hilton with is well written and easy to understand, which sadly contains too many typos, editing errors and other imperfections to recommend unreservedly to someone who doesn't already know their stuff. It deals with gateways between pp 94-123. You could find either this or a similar book in library and study your problem. Ben. From ColinMayrael at wibble.org.uk Fri Sep 8 09:33:49 2000 From: ColinMayrael at wibble.org.uk (ColinMayrael@wibble.org.uk) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:33:49 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] subnet mask & default gateway Quoting Andrew Teal (Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:32:18PM +0100) > Please tell me where a Redhat installation would have stored these details /etc/sysconfig/network /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX where X is >0 Colin -- Colin May - rael@wibble.org.uk - http://www.wibble.org.uk "Look across at dreamland and tell me what you see..." From NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk Fri Sep 8 13:04:25 2000 From: NikJewellL.N.Jewell at leeds.ac.uk (NikJewellL.N.Jewell@leeds.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Wanted - good homes for surplus continuous listing paper Most of you will no doubt be aware of this, but for any who are not, if you've got an old dot matrix lying around and are concerned about your server or other continuously connected PC beng cracked, and your log file entries being altered to cover tracks, one security measure is to copy all relevant log files to it on a continuous basis. Not much the script kiddie can do about that (bar cracking the syslog daemon I guess). A possible use of Martin's paper for someone?? Best Nik On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, Martin Rowe wrote: >Hi > >We've recently switched some of our customer documentation from >pre-printed to plain A4. For whatever reason it was decided not to run >the stocks down first. We now have a couple of dozen boxes of continuous >A4 listing paper with our logo & a bit of lining on one side (which >doesn't show through) and blank on the other. Rather than throw it away, >our Operations chap wants it to go to good homes ;-) There are various >play groups etc that we've (our IT dept) got kids at, that will be >getting some - are there any Wyluggers that could make use of some; for >themselves or others? Each box holds 2000 sheets. > >If those interested could let me know before Monday, and I'll bring some >boxes with me. > >Regards, Martin >-- >martin@jamaro.org.uk (home) >martin_rowe@moores.co.uk (work) >jamaro@firstlinux.net (both) >http://www.jamaro.org.uk > >_______________________________________________ >Wylug-help mailing list >Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk >http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help -- *********************************************************************** Dr Nik Jewell, C&IT Manager LTSN Philosophical and Religious Studies Subject Centre School of Philosophy, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK Tel: +44 (0)113 233 3275, Fax: 3265, Nik@prs-ltsn.leeds.ac.uk *********************************************************************** From AndrewJohnsonlinux at drivecomputing.co.uk Fri Sep 8 13:13:58 2000 From: AndrewJohnsonlinux at drivecomputing.co.uk (AndrewJohnsonlinux@drivecomputing.co.uk) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:13:58 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Wanted - good homes for surplus continuous listing paper We had a network printer, and something went wrong with it, anyway it ended up logging to the syslog a couple of times a second.... can you imagine walking into your computer room the next morning if that had been printing out!! :)) Neat idea though... -Andy- From: Nik Jewell > Most of you will no doubt be aware of this, but for any who are not, if you've > got an old dot matrix lying around and are concerned about your server or other > continuously connected PC beng cracked, and your log file entries being > altered to cover tracks, one security measure is to copy all relevant log files > to it on a continuous basis. Not much the script kiddie can do about that (bar > cracking the syslog daemon I guess). > > A possible use of Martin's paper for someone?? > > Best > > Nik > ============================================================ Andrew Johnson, Technical Consultant Drive Computer Services Tel +44 (0)1924 280388 Extn 223 Fax +44 (0)1924 280117 Mobile +44 (0)7970 284594 Email : andrew.johnson@drivecomputing.co.uk { The contents of this communication (plus any attachments which may be included along with it) are solely intended for the individual(s) and/or group(s) listed as a recipient above. None of the contents should be relayed in any form to any third party without the prior consent of the author. All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer. } From GaryStainburngary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Mon Sep 11 12:53:20 2000 From: GaryStainburngary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (GaryStainburngary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:53:20 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] My PC can't see my mouse Hi all. I all, my PC's lost it's mouse - I've held it up to the monitor but it still can't see it. Last week Kudzu (or whatever it is) said that I had removed my Generic Serial Mouse and asked did I want to remove the configuration. I said No. It then said that I'd added a new generic serial mouse and asked if I wanted to add it. Again I said No. I have since then used the Windows method of unplugging the mouse and rebooting. Kudzu then saw that it was missing and removed it. I then plugged it back in and rebooted. Kudzu saw it and put it back in. However, I still don't have a mouse in console more or in X. I've looked at the /dev/mouse which points to /dev/ttyS2. It looks just like other (working) systems. I've checked the X config file and all looks fine. I don't know how to check the gpm config so I can't say anything about that. Has anyone got any ideas? ----------------------------------------- Gary Stainburn. Work: http://www.ringways.co.uk mailto:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk REVCOM: http://www.revcom.org.uk mailto:gary.stainburn@revcom.org.uk ----------------------------------------- Murphy's Laws: (327) Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will use it. ----------------------------------------- From MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk Mon Sep 11 16:46:10 2000 From: MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk (MartinRowemartin@jamaro.org.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Wanted - good homes for surplus continuous listing paper On Wed, 06 Sep 2000, I wrote: > Hi > > If those interested could let me know before Monday, and I'll bring some > boxes with me. > > Regards, Martin No, I won't :-( It looks like I'll have to forgo the meeting tonight - the car's just about out of petrol, and Wetherby & Harrogate appear to be completely out of unleaded. Apologies to those who requested paper. Assuming I can get petrol for October's meeting, I'll try again then ;-) Regards, Martin -- martin@jamaro.org.uk (home) martin_rowe@moores.co.uk (work) jamaro@firstlinux.net (both) http://www.jamaro.org.uk From MCanalsmat9mc at sun.leeds.ac.uk Tue Sep 12 19:36:42 2000 From: MCanalsmat9mc at sun.leeds.ac.uk (MCanalsmat9mc@sun.leeds.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:36:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] i buy two 2nd hand computers hello! eventually i have decided to have a bit more fun (...or trouble) with linux. i would like to make a mini LAN in my home, with trhee computers. I already have my old Pentium, and now i would like to buy two old and second hand computers (486 will do...my part time job as a cleaner don't let me afford more expensive machines) to start with my mini net. do you want to get rid of your old computers for a few pounds ? (and also if you have some stuff for the network, like the proper interface network cards for those mother boards, and wire, then that would be great!) thank you! marcos canals mat9mc@leeds.ac.uk From Dr.RajivSrinivasarajiv.s at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 14 20:31:00 2000 From: Dr.RajivSrinivasarajiv.s at ntlworld.com (Dr.RajivSrinivasarajiv.s@ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:31:00 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] "Carrier not detected" with dialup Hi Everyone! I use wvdial for dialing into my ISP (who doesn't?!). However, came back from my hols., and presto! - can't login anymore. Reason? "Carrier undetected" is the message. The modem, though, makes the requisite noises while dialing, and shortly thereafter quits, followed by the "Carrier not detected" message. I have no problem dialling into my ISP when booted to Windows - as evident from this posting. Any solutions??????? Thanks. Rajiv From Richardr.ibbotson at zetnet.co.uk Thu Sep 14 20:42:11 2000 From: Richardr.ibbotson at zetnet.co.uk (Richardr.ibbotson@zetnet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:42:11 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: "Carrier not detected" with dialup Rajiv On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, you wrote: > The modem, though, makes the requisite noises while dialing, and shortl= y > thereafter quits, followed by the "Carrier not detected" message. > I've been through several different versions of this one before dropping the old modem in the bin and going over to ISDN2e with SuSE 6.4 from home. One of them is...... has the BT system mysteriously enabled a feature like call forwarding or it's own built in answering machine ? Also, I did have two modems that failed in just this way. They did look as if they were still working but closer examination proved there were messed up :( Try a few terninal window modem tests ? Man WVdial ? See the WVdial site for more info ? Thanks -- Richard Sheffield UK From Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk Fri Sep 15 10:42:09 2000 From: Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk (Willswills@vwsws1.vws.co.uk) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:42:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] DBI fails now my home directory's gone :( > > Following physical relocation of our lab machines and reallocation > >of IP addresses, I can't get my home directory from the server any > >more (`mount -at nfs` => "server: Permission denied"). Subsequently > >I'm trying to run a Perl/DBI script directly on the server, where > >the DBI bit doesn't work unmodified. > > Is the permission denied because the exporting server checks > the IP number? I have yet to observe anything appearing in the system logs on the NFS server... guessing this is where I need to be looking?? Is there something I should be recommending to our confused-sounding sysadmin so I can acquire the appropriate diagnostics? Or am I barking up the wrong tree not probing further on the client machine for what it recorded? > > Desktop machine: SuSE6.4eval(2.2.16-SMP on intel). > > Server `uname -a`: "SunOS vwssun2 5.5.1 Generic sun4u sparc > >SUNW,Ultra-1"; `showrev -p` suggests "No patches are installed". > > > > > > When on the local host, the Perl-to-mySQL script fails to connect > >with the 'dsn' left as-was. I get the same effect ("Access denied") > >from the command line with: > > mysql --host=`hostname` --user=vspadmin -p > > mysql --host=`hostname`.`domainname` --user=vspadmin -p > > > > This works if: > > I use "--host=vwssun2[.vws.co.uk]" from any other machine > > I remove the "--host=..." argument. > > I remove the 'hostname=' part of the dsn in the script. It helps the scripts to have acess records for localhost, vwssun2 and % - presumably because without a --host option you get a unix socket to the local machine and otherwise you get a network socket, or something like that, limited knowledge notwithstanding. Can't see why it should have to distinguish between the latter two cases... but it work, me happy. Wills. From MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk Sat Sep 16 18:27:24 2000 From: MartinRowemartin at jamaro.org.uk (MartinRowemartin@jamaro.org.uk) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:27:24 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Recommended Java book for a beginner Hi all I'm just finishing a Java training course at work[1] and I'm wanting to get something to work from at home so I don't forget everything straight away[2]. Following good words about Wrox books, I had a look at Beginning Java 2 JDK 1.3 version[3]. It's a fairly weighty tome at 1232 pages, but looks very good. I generally buy O'Reilly if I don't have anything else to go on - would people recommend any of their books over the Wrox offering? Regards, Martin [1] From ATS - geared towards integration with the AS/400 using the AS/400 Toolbox for Java. [2] I'm actually doing the course as an evaluation - we might be going down the WebSphere route for future development, maybe merging our PC and AS/400 development teams. I won't get to do any actual work with it for some while though. [3] The cheapest seems to be from Computer Manuals @ 31.57 inc p&p. Used www.books.co.uk to do a price comparison. -- martin@jamaro.org.uk (home) martin_rowe@moores.co.uk (work) jamaro@firstlinux.net (both) http://www.jamaro.org.uk From MikeBanahanmikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Sat Sep 16 21:55:42 2000 From: MikeBanahanmikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (MikeBanahanmikeb@gbdirect.co.uk) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:55:42 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Boot PROMS I've just been playing with the code from the Linux Terminal Server Project - it's lovely, I got an X terminal booted up out of scrapbox bits in minutes. Since I HATE the noise of fans I want to build a few more. At present it's booting off a floppy, but I would really like to burn some bootproms for my ethernet cards. Is there anyone in WYLUG-land with a PROM burner who wouldn't mind helping? I know I could go and buy my own, but it seems rather an expense to be going to .... Several pints would be the reward! Cheers (hic), Mike -- Mike Banahan - GBdirect 27 Park Drive Bradford England BD9 4DS Tel 01274 772277 Fax 01274 772281 Put reality back into cyberspace: http://somewherenear.com From Richardr.ibbotson at zetnet.co.uk Sun Sep 17 11:40:25 2000 From: Richardr.ibbotson at zetnet.co.uk (Richardr.ibbotson@zetnet.co.uk) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:40:25 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Recommended Java book for a beginner Martin On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, you wrote: I generally buy O'Reilly if I don't have anything else > to go on - would people recommend any of their books over the Wrox > offering?=20 I've read em all. Can't really say which is better but just now I favour the Wrox books --=20 Richard Sheffield UK http://www.sheflug.co.uk From BenFowlerbpfowler at hotmail.com Mon Sep 18 11:22:43 2000 From: BenFowlerbpfowler at hotmail.com (BenFowlerbpfowler@hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:22:43 GMT Subject: [Wylug-help] DBI fails now my home directory's gone :( > > > Following physical relocation of our lab machines and > > >reallocation of IP addresses, I can't get my home directory from > >the >server any more (`mount -at nfs` => "server: Permission > >denied"). >Subsequently I'm trying to run a Perl/DBI script > >directly on the server, >where the DBI bit doesn't work > >unmodified. > > > > Is the permission denied because the exporting server checks > > the IP number? > > I have yet to observe anything appearing in the system logs on >the NFS server... guessing this is where I need to be looking?? Is >there something I should be recommending to our confused-sounding >sysadmin so I can acquire the appropriate diagnostics? Or am I >barking up the wrong tree not probing further on the client machine >for what it recorded? Assuming it is configured to do so, both sucessful and unsuccessful attempts to connect to NFS are logged by syslog, typically to /var/adm/messages . Ben _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From NickBrownn1ck_brown at yahoo.com Tue Sep 19 12:11:45 2000 From: NickBrownn1ck_brown at yahoo.com (NickBrownn1ck_brown@yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? Hi there, I'm a linux newbie in York, and have two Celeron 550Mhz processors which Win9x cannot handle. Does anyone know which versions of linux support dual processors ? esp. if Mandrake supports them. I have searched site after site but nowhere gives this info, and the distributors don't have contact emails ! Thanks for any help Nick Brown. PS. Anyone tried (successfully) to have three partitions with Win9x, Win2k and Linux ? with a boot loader ? (Can Grub handle this ?) Anyone any advice ? Thanks again ! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug at talk21.com Tue Sep 19 12:04:42 2000 From: PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug at talk21.com (PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug@talk21.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:04:42 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Java on Toshiba laptop Can anyone help? I have two Toshiba laptops on which I am using Java (SDK 122 & 12). These machines use Linux and W95/W98. When I write a (simple) program using the Swing gui components the display goes blotchy where the mouse has been clicked. The screen is not being refreshed properly, if at all. When the object code (class files) are transferred to and used on Linux, the display is fine, so the hardware must be ok. The same applies to a desktop machine on which the same code is executed. It would appear that the screen drivers need updating. This is where the biggest problem lies. I have downloaded the latest drivers for both machines. The SP430 has downloaded and installed ok, but with no improvement. The SP4280 has (after a struggle) downloaded, but there is no installation procedure. I have tried to contact Toshiba, but they put every conceivable obstacle in the way - they do not want to deal with customers. I have found a 'contact us' section, very well hidden, but have not had any response. Does anyone know how I can contact these people other than hanging on to an expensive phone call to their HQ? Has anyone solved this problem and can give me the solution? Help would be appreciated. Regards, Phillip Marsden. PS Have just discovered that using the same components from within JBuilder (W95) works just fine! From PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug at talk21.com Tue Sep 19 12:09:34 2000 From: PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug at talk21.com (PhillipMarsdenatWYLUGphillipmarsden-wylug@talk21.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:09:34 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Software availability Sorry about the requests for help not strictly related to Linux. I am a member of just this one help group, but I will gradually broaden my horizons. Does anyone have an email address for Microsoft UK to which I can send a query regarding software availability? I cannot find a mention of the software on Microsoft's website. I am looking for a copy of Office 97 Developer Edition so that I can deploy an Access database with run-time only. (Avoids paying for everyone to have a full MS Access licence). Regards, Phillip Marsden. From MarkP.Conmympc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Tue Sep 19 12:17:33 2000 From: MarkP.Conmympc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (MarkP.Conmympc@comp.leeds.ac.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:17:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? I thought that Celerons didn't have the APIC tracks joined; that they couldn't (without modification) be used as anything but uniprocessor. Mark On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Nick Brown wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm a linux newbie in York, and have two Celeron > 550Mhz processors which Win9x cannot handle. Does > anyone know which versions of linux support dual > processors ? esp. if Mandrake supports them. I have > searched site after site but nowhere gives this info, > and the distributors don't have contact emails ! > > Thanks for any help > Nick Brown. > > PS. Anyone tried (successfully) to have three > partitions with Win9x, Win2k and Linux ? with a boot > loader ? (Can Grub handle this ?) Anyone any advice ? > > Thanks again ! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wylug-help mailing list > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help > From JamesOgleyogley at suse.co.uk Tue Sep 19 13:18:34 2000 From: JamesOgleyogley at suse.co.uk (JamesOgleyogley@suse.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:18:34 BST Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? > I thought that Celerons didn't have the APIC tracks joined; that they > couldn't (without modification) be used as anything but uniprocessor. The ABit BP6 mainboard is the dual-processor freak's friend :) As for dual processor Linux, all distros *should* support it, and even if their default kernels are uniprocessor, you can compile an SMP one. Don't know about Mandrake, but SuSE gives you the option of which kernel to use if you choose the 'expert' installation, and even if you don't, you can subsequently change from the same selection using YaST (our setup tool) Our contact address is info@suse.co.uk Regards James Ogley > > Does > > anyone know which versions of linux support dual > > processors ? esp. if Mandrake supports them. I have > > searched site after site but nowhere gives this info, > > and the distributors don't have contact emails ! -- James Ogley, Network Manager, SuSE Linux Ltd - +44 (0) 20 8 387 4088 @ Work: ogley@suse.co.uk http://www.suse.co.uk @ Home: james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk @ Mobile: riggwelter@sms.genie.co.uk ICQ: 57374251 Slashdot: riggwelter (84180) asylum-mud.org: Riggwelter "Jesus, Jesus, Friend for ever." - Deliriou5? From NigelMetheringhamNigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Sep 19 12:40:40 2000 From: NigelMetheringhamNigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (NigelMetheringhamNigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:40:40 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? [Hmm.. more UK Suse people appearing... interesting development] ogley@suse.co.uk said: > The ABit BP6 mainboard is the dual-processor freak's friend :) > As for dual processor Linux, all distros *should* support it, and even > if their default kernels are uniprocessor, you can compile an SMP one. > Yup - I have one working fine here. The BP6 can be unstable (hint, make sure the green heatsink on the board is well attached and add some heatsink compound under it. Ideally add a (486 sized) fan as well). Red Hat installs out of the box to this and autodetects it as multiprocessor so puts the default kernel to be an SMP kernel. I would expect Mandrake to be very similar since to quote someone earlier in the week "I believe the rawhide errata are currently available on CD called 'mandrake 7.1'". Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From MikeBanahanmikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Wed Sep 20 10:52:13 2000 From: MikeBanahanmikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (MikeBanahanmikeb@gbdirect.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:52:13 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? > > > Does > > > anyone know which versions of linux support dual > > > processors ? esp. if Mandrake supports them. I have > > > searched site after site but nowhere gives this info, > > > and the distributors don't have contact emails ! We have a dual-process box running PII processors with stock RedHat installed - works fine and detects the dual-processor setup automatically. It's on a Soyo motherboard. Mike -- Mike Banahan - GBdirect 27 Park Drive Bradford England BD9 4DS Tel 01274 772277 Fax 01274 772281 Put reality back into cyberspace: http://somewherenear.com From DaveWhiteleyd.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk Wed Sep 20 11:24:17 2000 From: DaveWhiteleyd.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk (DaveWhiteleyd.l.whiteley@ee.leeds.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:24:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? We have dual (and quad) processor machines here running Debian. Both are Dell boxes. One was delivered with Red Hat installed. Dave On 20-Sep-2000 Mike Banahan wrote: >> > > Does >> > > anyone know which versions of linux support dual >> > > processors ? esp. if Mandrake supports them. I have >> > > searched site after site but nowhere gives this info, >> > > and the distributors don't have contact emails ! > > We have a dual-process box running PII processors with stock > RedHat installed - works fine and detects the dual-processor > setup automatically. > > It's on a Soyo motherboard. > > Mike > -- > Mike Banahan - GBdirect 27 Park Drive Bradford England BD9 4DS > Tel 01274 772277 Fax 01274 772281 > Put reality back into cyberspace: http://somewherenear.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wylug-help mailing list > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Dave Whiteley Date: 20-Sep-2000 Time: 11:20:41 Dave Whiteley, Senior Computer Officer, School of Electronic and Electrical Engineering Any views or opinions expressed above are mine, not theirs. ---------------------------------- From DrAVLeBlancLeBlanc at mcc.ac.uk Wed Sep 20 13:40:25 2000 From: DrAVLeBlancLeBlanc at mcc.ac.uk (DrAVLeBlancLeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:40:25 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: Linux and Dual Processors ? Triple booting ? On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:01:07PM +0100, wylug-help-request@wylug.org.uk wrote: On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 at 04:11:45 -0700 (PDT), Nick Brown : > I'm a linux newbie in York, and have two Celeron > 550Mhz processors which Win9x cannot handle. Does > anyone know which versions of linux support dual > processors ? Ever since it became possible to run SMP kernels on single processor systems, I think all distributions have shipped SMP kernels as standard. > > PS. Anyone tried (successfully) to have three > partitions with Win9x, Win2k and Linux ? with a boot > loader ? (Can Grub handle this ?) Anyone any advice ? Yes, GRUB can handle this; you need to use the hide/unhide commands to conceal the unused win9x partition from win2k, and makeactive in either case. That is, assuming you have windows 98 on /dev/hda2, windows 2000 on /dev/hda3, and /dev/hda4 is an extended partition with Linux on /dev/hda6, with a tiny partition on /dev/hda1 mounted as /boot: Title Linux root (hd0,5) kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz Title Windows 98 unhide (hd0,1) root (hd0,1) makeactive chainloader +1 Title Windows 2000 hide (hd0,1) root (hd0,2) makeactive chainloader +1 where the linux kernel appears on your Linux system as /boot/vmlinuz. Note that all this is also doable in LILO as well; see the section on change rules in the Readme file. -- Owen LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk From JoeAtkinsonJoe.Atkinson at energis-squared.com Thu Sep 21 16:53:38 2000 From: JoeAtkinsonJoe.Atkinson at energis-squared.com (JoeAtkinsonJoe.Atkinson@energis-squared.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:53:38 +0100 Subject: [Wylug-help] exim relaying Hi all, Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but I'm hoping one of you (probably Nigel Metheringham) will be able to help. Is it possible to configure exim so that outgoing mail is relayed via a specific host? Joe Atkinson 2nd Line Hosted Systems Support Engineer Energis Squared From Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk Thu Sep 21 20:30:00 2000 From: Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk (Willswills@vwsws1.vws.co.uk) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:30:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] Swing Confusion: Oddly floating (J)Components I've got an application containing (all) Swing components which is not behaving; the interface has six alike panes, with controls in, and one "about" pane with just labels. The "control" panels all have a Checkbox each, and all seven are selectable through the tabs of a JTabbedPane. What I *observe* is that the "about" panel is visible by default, but one of the Checkboxes from the other panels is floating above it! This (mis)behaviour stops once I've viewed all the seven panes, which leads me to the conclusion a suitable re/validate() will fix it, but I've tried lots of things to no avail. ObSimilarProblem: in a "wizard" application, I prepare a list (thinks: ...Checkboxes again... must be missing something crucial!) and add it to a JScrollPane, and despite the scrollbars changing size appropriately, the containing pane cannot be coaxed into not floating over everything else. Confused, Wills. From Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk Fri Sep 22 11:13:30 2000 From: Willswills at vwsws1.vws.co.uk (Willswills@vwsws1.vws.co.uk) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:13:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Wylug-help] Swing Confusion: Oddly floating (J)Components > I've got an application containing (all) Swing components which is > not behaving; the interface has six alike panes, with controls in, > and one "about" pane with just labels. The "control" panels all have > a Checkbox each, and all seven are selectable through the tabs of a > JTabbedPane. Checkbox -> JCheck*B*ox (b->B. D'oh). Sorted. Wills. From martin at jamaro.org.uk Wed Sep 27 08:09:36 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:09:36 +0100 From: Martin Rowe martin at jamaro.org.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Weird website problem
Hi all

Earlier this month I got an email from a chap in France saying he
couldn't get to my open source web site as it prompted for a user ID &
password. This was news to me as there is no such restriction. I've just
had an email from a US user with the same problem. It seems intermittant,
as he was able to get in later. 

The dbg400.net domain is managed by Easily.co.uk and points to my
Freeserve web site at www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk (no masking - the fsnet URL
appears in the location box). The Frech bloke sent me the a screenshot of
the dialog box - have a look here
<http://www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk/download/dialog.png> (2.6Kb)  which seems
to point the blame at Easily. They, however, say it's nothing to do with
them and to take it up with my ISP.

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I'm not losing money over
this, but it is annoying - a password protected open source site does
come across as a bit daft :)

Regards, Martin
-- 
martin@jamaro.org.uk / jamaro@firstlinux.net 
Homepage - http://www.jamaro.org.uk
Open Source AS/400 software - http://www.dbg400.net


From Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk Wed Sep 27 08:49:14 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:49:14 +0100 From: Simon Wood Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Weird website problem
Don't know if this is much use, but I failed to connect first time (via Junkbuster) with the message 'Bad file  descriptor' which I usually get when I forget to start the server.

Repeated connections succeeded, but to http://www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk/ NOT http://www.dbg400.net, seems to be some redirection going on... These addresses resolve to different IP address (195.92.195.158 and 213.219.14.243 respectively)

Easily.co.uk resolves to 213.219.14.246 which looks suspicially like it might be in the same IP block as www.dbg400.net

Hope this helps.
Simon Wood



From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Sep 27 09:10:57 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:10:57 +0100 From: Gary Stainburn gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Weird website problem
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Martin Rowe wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> Earlier this month I got an email from a chap in France saying he
> couldn't get to my open source web site as it prompted for a user ID &
> password. This was news to me as there is no such restriction. I've just
> had an email from a US user with the same problem. It seems intermittant,
> as he was able to get in later. 
> 

In a normal situation this is configured within the web server.  I can't see the
DNS services of Easily.co.uk having anything to do with it.

> The dbg400.net domain is managed by Easily.co.uk and points to my
> Freeserve web site at www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk (no masking - the fsnet URL
> appears in the location box). The Frech bloke sent me the a screenshot of
> the dialog box - have a look here
> <http://www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk/download/dialog.png> (2.6Kb)  which seems
> to point the blame at Easily. They, however, say it's nothing to do with
> them and to take it up with my ISP.
> 
> Can anyone point me in the right direction. I'm not losing money over
> this, but it is annoying - a password protected open source site does
> come across as a bit daft :)

Check which http server is being used and check the access control docs
for that server.  If it's on an OS that has file permissions then check them.

Once you've checked the obvious, check the obscure.  For instance,
what size is the server hardware, was it busy when the accesses failed?
You may not be able to get this info, but you may be able to get your ISP's
to check it out for you as they should be keeping such stats.

> 
> Regards, Martin
> -- 
> martin@jamaro.org.uk / jamaro@firstlinux.net 
> Homepage - http://www.jamaro.org.uk
> Open Source AS/400 software - http://www.dbg400.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
-- 
-------------------
Gary Stainburn


From nhaines at architec.co.uk Wed Sep 27 10:57:12 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:57:12 +0100 From: Neil Haines nhaines at architec.co.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] syslog
Anyone help with this ?

Had /var/logs all working okay, but suddenly (after someone possibly messing
with system) the /var/log/secure , and /var/log/xferlog have stopped
logging. The syslog.conf is okay, but every time i kill/start the syslog, a
file named "syslog.conf.lock" is created with a value inside it.
Any help appreciated

Neil



From jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Sep 27 14:20:31 2000 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:20:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Jackson jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] syslog

make sure syslogd is not running. Do a  ps uax | grep sys

just to make sure.

Then start syslogd by hand, as root, from the commna dline in debug mode.....

  # /usr/sbin/syslogd -n -d

It might be worth doing this from a script shell to capture the output for
later analysis.

Look at the output and see what it is complaining about.

Jim

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Neil Haines wrote:

> Anyone help with this ?
> 
> Had /var/logs all working okay, but suddenly (after someone possibly messing
> with system) the /var/log/secure , and /var/log/xferlog have stopped
> logging. The syslog.conf is okay, but every time i kill/start the syslog, a
> file named "syslog.conf.lock" is created with a value inside it.
> Any help appreciated
> 
> Neil
> 
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From bmbrol at bmb.leeds.ac.uk Fri Sep 29 19:08:14 2000 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:08:14 +0100 From: Ronan O'Leary bmbrol at bmb.leeds.ac.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Win2k Win98 Linux
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Hi
I have Win2K and Win98 installed as a dual boot on an Athlon 650 with =
one 20GB HD split into a number of partitions.
Previously I tried to install RedHad 6.1 Linux and I didn't get very far =
for a couple of reasons: the x server at the time did not support my =
graphics card and I could only get Linux to work if it was installed at =
the beginning of my HD, I think it had to be below somewhere before 2GB.
The latest releases of Xfree now support my nVidia GeForce card and =
after a bit of looking around I have decided to go for SuSe 7.0 and get =
the manuals etc that come with it. I have a couple of questions before I =
start again, and I am sorry if they are typical newbie questions!

OK:
1. Will the 2GB issue be a problem still. I have Win98 installed in the =
primary partition (4GB). When I last repartitioned my HD I tried to make =
a primary partition of 1GB for Linux OS files and to make the second =
logical partition active (and put Win98 there). This worked OK with =
fdisk but when I tried to install Windows it would not install onto the =
active "D" partition, and Win2K balked at the same stage saying =
something about another OS installed on the PC and it would reformat C =
which would have made it active.
If possible I would like to avoid partitioning my HD again, it took a =
long weekend to get Win2K working.=20
Does anyone have any advice about how to proceed with getting Linux =
installed. I have 3 potential partitions on the drive. If it helps =
matters I can get Partition Magic and run that either from Win98 or 2K.

2. I am assuming that there will be no problems having 3 OSs on my PC. =
At the moment boot.ini defaults to Win2K which I am happy with. I =
presume that LiLo has some facility to recognise the other OSs. I have =
also been recommended Xsol as a boot manager which I have downloaded. =
This is probably a very common problem but the last time I installed =
Linux I had terrible problems getting fdisk to recognise the partition =
which Linux had been on.

I hope that the questions are clear enough. Please presume absolutely no =
knowledge of Linux or installing OSs or even partitioning HDs.

Thanks for any help

Ronan


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From rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 30 07:16:48 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:16:48 +0100 From: Roger Greenwood rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Win2k Win98 Linux
Easiest way by far is a separate disc - this way you won't upset windows
(which can get a bit tetchy). I would also recommend at least 8GB+ -
SuSE 7.0 comes with so much stuff you won't believe, and it won't fit
otherwise!!! A new disc is what - =A360 - =A380?

SuSE manuals are great - they really do have lots of clues as to what to
do when it goes wrong, but you are still going to have problems with
snazzy high spec. hardware (probably!). Summary - before you start the
install RTFM.

Good luck.

Roger G

> Ronan O'Leary wrote:
> =

> Hi
> I have Win2K and Win98 installed as a dual boot on an Athlon 650 with
> one 20GB HD split into a number of partitions.
> Previously I tried to install RedHad 6.1 Linux and I didn't get very
> far for a couple of reasons: the x server at the time did not support
> my graphics card and I could only get Linux to work if it was
> installed at the beginning of my HD, I think it had to be below
> somewhere before 2GB.
> The latest releases of Xfree now support my nVidia GeForce card and
> after a bit of looking around I have decided to go for SuSe 7.0 and
> get the manuals etc that come with it. I have a couple of questions
> before I start again, and I am sorry if they are typical newbie
> questions!
> =

> OK:
> 1. Will the 2GB issue be a problem still. I have Win98 installed in
> the primary partition (4GB). When I last repartitioned my HD I tried
> to make a primary partition of 1GB for Linux OS files and to make the
> second logical partition active (and put Win98 there). This worked OK
> with fdisk but when I tried to install Windows it would not install
> onto the active "D" partition, and Win2K balked at the same stage
> saying something about another OS installed on the PC and it would
> reformat C which would have made it active.
> If possible I would like to avoid partitioning my HD again, it took a
> long weekend to get Win2K working.
> Does anyone have any advice about how to proceed with getting Linux
> installed. I have 3 potential partitions on the drive. If it helps
> matters I can get Partition Magic and run that either from Win98 or
> 2K.
> =

> 2. I am assuming that there will be no problems having 3 OSs on my PC.
> At the moment boot.ini defaults to Win2K which I am happy with. I
> presume that LiLo has some facility to recognise the other OSs. I have
> also been recommended Xsol as a boot manager which I have downloaded.
> This is probably a very common problem but the last time I installed
> Linux I had terrible problems getting fdisk to recognise the partition
> which Linux had been on.
> =

> I hope that the questions are clear enough. Please presume absolutely
> no knowledge of Linux or installing OSs or even partitioning HDs.
> =

> Thanks for any help
> =

> Ronan
>


From mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 11:51:06 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:51:06 +0100 (BST) From: Mark P. Conmy mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Win2k Win98 Linux
> Easiest way by far is a separate disc - this way you won't upset windows
> (which can get a bit tetchy). I would also recommend at least 8GB+ -
> SuSE 7.0 comes with so much stuff you won't believe, and it won't fit
> otherwise!!! A new disc is what - =A360 - =A380?

You ARE kidding?

Our systems (which contain huge amounts of software) still weigh in at
only 2GB.

Even if you throw some source, how do you manage to squander that much
disk space?

Of course, having the space is nice. :-)

> > The latest releases of Xfree now support my nVidia GeForce card and
> > after a bit of looking around I have decided to go for SuSe 7.0 and
> > get the manuals etc that come with it. I have a couple of questions
> > before I start again, and I am sorry if they are typical newbie
> > questions!

If you have problems with the graphics, get in touch.  We've played with
GeForce with XFree86 (including the NVidia/SGI OpenGL modules/libraries).

It's fairly straightforward and the results are very good.

> > 1. Will the 2GB issue be a problem still. I have Win98 installed in
> > the primary partition (4GB). When I last repartitioned my HD I tried
> > to make a primary partition of 1GB for Linux OS files and to make the
> > second logical partition active (and put Win98 there). This worked OK
> > with fdisk but when I tried to install Windows it would not install
> > onto the active "D" partition, and Win2K balked at the same stage
> > saying something about another OS installed on the PC and it would
> > reformat C which would have made it active.
> > If possible I would like to avoid partitioning my HD again, it took a
> > long weekend to get Win2K working.
> > Does anyone have any advice about how to proceed with getting Linux
> > installed. I have 3 potential partitions on the drive. If it helps
> > matters I can get Partition Magic and run that either from Win98 or
> > 2K.

Newer versions of lilo etc. deal with large disks okay.  Partition Magic
is probably the best idea for repartitioning (if you can get it to play
ball, which it doesn't always).

> > 2. I am assuming that there will be no problems having 3 OSs on my PC.
> > At the moment boot.ini defaults to Win2K which I am happy with. I
> > presume that LiLo has some facility to recognise the other OSs. I have
> > also been recommended Xsol as a boot manager which I have downloaded.

There should be no problem with this.  After Owen's talk, I am quite impres=
sed
with GRUB as a bootloader (very nice), but the pragmatist in me says that
a beginner should probably follow the recommendation of the distribution
rather than trying something new.

> > This is probably a very common problem but the last time I installed
> > Linux I had terrible problems getting fdisk to recognise the partition
> > which Linux had been on.

Eh?  fdisk should just report what's in the partition table.  Either
the partition is there or not.

In any case, try cfdisk if you have problems.

Mark Conmy




From paul.lindley" Partition magic is the way to go for you, ive used it many times on my Win98 system to move and resize partitions. Partition magic will format for linux swap and linux filesystems. It also comes with a boot manager which when installed recognises my operating systems. The only thing to rememeber is when installing linux and it asks you where to put lilo for booting, put it in the root partition of your linux installation. This way the bootloader with partition magic finds it automaticaly. Im a relative newbie too hope this helps. Just because suse comes with 6 cds of applications dosnt mean youre going to install them all.. ive never had problems with needing more than 2 gb.. but so, what u got partition magic.. make more room !!! From bmbrol at bmb.leeds.ac.uk Sat Sep 30 12:34:00 2000 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:34:00 +0100 From: Ronan O'Leary bmbrol at bmb.leeds.ac.uk Subject: [Wylug-help] Win2k Win98 Linux
Hi
Thanks for the reply

> > Easiest way by far is a separate disc - this way you won't upset windows
> > (which can get a bit tetchy). I would also recommend at least 8GB+ -
> > SuSE 7.0 comes with so much stuff you won't believe, and it won't fit
> > otherwise!!! A new disc is what - £60 - £80?

The problem with a separate disk is that I have an EIDE contoller with a HD,
Zip, CD-DVD and CD-RW attached, so I guess that is my lot isn't it.

> You ARE kidding?
>
> Our systems (which contain huge amounts of software) still weigh in at
> only 2GB.
>
> Even if you throw some source, how do you manage to squander that much
> disk space?
>
> Of course, having the space is nice. :-)
>
> > > The latest releases of Xfree now support my nVidia GeForce card and
> > > after a bit of looking around I have decided to go for SuSe 7.0 and
> > > get the manuals etc that come with it. I have a couple of questions
> > > before I start again, and I am sorry if they are typical newbie
> > > questions!
>
> If you have problems with the graphics, get in touch.  We've played with
> GeForce with XFree86 (including the NVidia/SGI OpenGL modules/libraries).
>
> It's fairly straightforward and the results are very good.

Thanks, I understand from the SuSE website that the installer should
autodetect my graphics card, so fingers crossed.

> > > 1. Will the 2GB issue be a problem still. I have Win98 installed in
> > > the primary partition (4GB). When I last repartitioned my HD I tried
> > > to make a primary partition of 1GB for Linux OS files and to make the
> > > second logical partition active (and put Win98 there). This worked OK
> > > with fdisk but when I tried to install Windows it would not install
> > > onto the active "D" partition, and Win2K balked at the same stage
> > > saying something about another OS installed on the PC and it would
> > > reformat C which would have made it active.
> > > If possible I would like to avoid partitioning my HD again, it took a
> > > long weekend to get Win2K working.
> > > Does anyone have any advice about how to proceed with getting Linux
> > > installed. I have 3 potential partitions on the drive. If it helps
> > > matters I can get Partition Magic and run that either from Win98 or
> > > 2K.
>
> Newer versions of lilo etc. deal with large disks okay.  Partition Magic
> is probably the best idea for repartitioning (if you can get it to play
> ball, which it doesn't always).

Does this still mean that I should try to get LiLo installed into the first
part of the drive. Ideally I don't want to have to do any repartitioning so
if new LiLo or other loaders support 20GB I would prefer to try that, any
thougts?

> > > 2. I am assuming that there will be no problems having 3 OSs on my PC.
> > > At the moment boot.ini defaults to Win2K which I am happy with. I
> > > presume that LiLo has some facility to recognise the other OSs. I have
> > > also been recommended Xsol as a boot manager which I have downloaded.
>
> There should be no problem with this.  After Owen's talk, I am quite
impressed
> with GRUB as a bootloader (very nice), but the pragmatist in me says that
> a beginner should probably follow the recommendation of the distribution
> rather than trying something new.

Will the distribution let me choose between 3 OSs?

> > > This is probably a very common problem but the last time I installed
> > > Linux I had terrible problems getting fdisk to recognise the partition
> > > which Linux had been on.
>
> Eh?  fdisk should just report what's in the partition table.  Either
> the partition is there or not.

I don't know what happened, but there was a logical drive which Linux had
been on, but fdisk didn't see it and wouldn't let delete the logical or
extended partitions because it said they didn't exist, and it only reported
15GB rather than 20GB. Fdisk /mbr may have worked but I didn't know about
that at the time, but I had to install Win98 and do fdisk again and delete
all the partitions and start again.

> In any case, try cfdisk if you have problems.

Is this online?

Thanks again for both the replies

Ronan