[Wylug-help] Networking]] & a legal question
ZermeloS.T.
ZermeloS.T.
7 Feb 2001 15:44:27 MST
>I'm trying to network two machines. The server has got ppp access to the=
=
....
>but when I ping either machine from the other I get 'host unreachable'. =
I =
I had a similar problem. Everything seemed ok but the 'host unreachable'.=
Perhaps it can help you. The problem was that i linked the two computers
with the cable directly, no hub. What i didn't know is that if you do
that, you have to swap two of wires inside of the ethernet cable in order=
to make it work. I read it in the Ethernet-HOWTO. I don't remeber now
wich were these cables to swap, but you'll find it in that HOWTO
(in /usr/share/doc/howto ...in the SuSE distribution).
Now a legal question about licenses:
if i sold computers with a SuSE linux as O.S. should i pay some kind
of license ?
i mean, can i buy just one SuSE package and install it to many computers
to sell them later, without worrying about licenses, or should i buy
one SuSE package for each computer sold ?
If i cannot do that with the SuSE one, can i do it with some other
distribution ?
thanks
Zermelo =
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Feb 9 10:01:45 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:01:45 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Networking]] & a legal question
In-Reply-To: <20010207224428.23093.qmail@nwcst293>
References: <20010207224428.23093.qmail@nwcst293>
Message-ID: <01020910014501.08567@gary.ringways.co.uk>
On Wednesday 07 February 2001 22:44, you wrote:
[snip]
> unreachable'. Perhaps it can help you. The problem was that i linked
> the two computers with the cable directly, no hub. What i didn't know
> is that if you do that, you have to swap two of wires inside of the
With pins pointing up, and away from you:
At one End
Orange
Orange/White
Green
Blue
Blue/White
Green/White
Brown
Brown/White
At other end
Green
Green/White
Orange
Blue
Blue/White
Orange/White
Brown
Brown/White
> ethernet cable in order to make it work. I read it in the
> Ethernet-HOWTO. I don't remeber now wich were these cables to swap,
> but you'll find it in that HOWTO (in /usr/share/doc/howto ...in the
> SuSE distribution).
>
> Now a legal question about licenses:
> if i sold computers with a SuSE linux as O.S. should i pay some kind
> of license ?
You can do what you want. You can put Linux on 100 PC's and not even
pay for one copy. However, money does make the world go by, and if you
pay SuSE for a copy, you support the company which in turn supports the
cause e.g. the SuSE schools list etc.
> i mean, can i buy just one SuSE package and install it to many
> computers to sell them later, without worrying about licenses, or
> should i buy one SuSE package for each computer sold ?
> If i cannot do that with the SuSE one, can i do it with some other
> distribution ?
>
> thanks
>
> Zermelo
>
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Fri Feb 9 12:07:16 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:07:16
Subject: [Wylug-help] Networking]] & a legal question
Message-ID: <F71zQpc03TqRRAY1raz00006a84@hotmail.com>
IANAL, so you may be better off waiting for one of the fine
folk from SuSE to answer you.
> > Now a legal question about licenses:
> > if i sold computers with a SuSE linux as O.S. should i pay some > kindof
>license ?
You mean licence FEE. (or, "Need I obtain any kind of licence?".)
The answer to my version of the question is that you are obliged
to meet all the relevant terms of the GPL, which is the licence
you agreed when you accepted the SuSE materials in the first place.
< URL:http://zgp.org/~dmarti/linuxmanship/#issueslist >
The principle obligation is to distribute freely GPL software, so
what you are proposing is actually laudable.
< URL:http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/EskoWoudenberg/EskoWoudenberg6.html
>
and
< URL:http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/taoup/chapter2.html >
>You can do what you want. You can put Linux on 100 PC's and not even
>pay for one copy. However, money does make the world go by, and if
>you pay SuSE for a copy, you support the company which in turn
>supports the cause e.g. the SuSE schools list etc.
>
> > i mean, can i buy just one SuSE package and install it to many
> > computers to sell them later, without worrying about licenses, > or
> > should i buy one SuSE package for each computer sold ?
> > If i cannot do that with the SuSE one, can i do it with some other
> > distribution ?
Gary is right, but I think that you need more information.
< URL:http://www.opensource.org/ >
If I were selling PC hardware (and you never know it might happen).
I would preload a standard OS, probably my own distribution,
supply a demo (single CD edition) of SuSE and
offer boxed copies of SuSE as an option, because of SuSE's
documentation. So far as I know the SuSE documentation is
not open source, far less GPL (perhaps it should be ...), so
you definitely would need to become a SuSE reseller and be
prepared to account for every copy that went through your hands.
It pains me say that the same thing applies to yast; unless you
know better, you should assume that yast is proprietary and
should only be distributed under licence. Unfortunately, you
may find other distributions (such as Red Hat) though under
the same GPL umbrella, are more reseller friendly.
< URL:http://www.opencontent.org/ >
If you are thinking of going into the PC business and selling
them with linux OS preloaded good for you and my best wishes.
You could throw in FREE (as in speech, but not as in beer, curry,
pizza, et cetera) membership of WYLUG. You have hit the nail
on the head when you think of getting (for nowt) a copy of
linux and installing it on the hard disk of every computer you put
together, as a means of testing it and as a starter system.
Doing this is not 'unauthorised copying', but a legimate use
of materials as freely available as the air we breathe.
The other way of paying for linux or any other GPL software,
is to put something back into the pot. Do some coding; Write
some documentation; or Handle technical support questions.
< URL:http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/ >
and
< URL:http://doxpara.netpedia.net/core.html > (Note: that
URL may not be working at present. You might be able to
find the info by going a web search on
Therein lies the answer to the question James Sullivan
posed to me. "Suppose," he began, "suppose you could earn
one hundred thousand dollars if you published your essay
in a magazine. Would you still release it freely?" I paced
for a moment, and replied, "If I lived in a world where my
essay had a value of a hundred grand, then open source means
that I´d be reading millions of dollars worth of the essays
of others, and all parties involved would be rich."
).
Ben (famed for his fidelity when sober)
P.S. Your e.e.cummings style of capitalisation suggests that you
might be based in the United States of America. Whilst there
is a Leeds in Ontario, the Yorkshire in the West Yorkshire
Linux User Group (sometimes known as God's Own County)
< URL:http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/roystock/godsownc.htm > is in
the United Kingdom.
Either way, you would be very welcome to scrounge
a few copies of linux should you come to one of our meetings.
--
"The Yorkshire people are by reputation robust in physique,
though not especially handsome, efficient and vigorous in their
undertakings, blunt in speech and rather well satisfied with
themselves. They dislike excessive expressions of emotion and are
cautious with strangers, but once they accept you they are staunchly
if soberly faithful. They prefer practice to theory. Above all, they
are extremely independent. An Abbot of York wrote to Henry VIII:
'There be such a company of wilful gentlemen within Yorkshire as
there be not in all England besides.' In Queen Elizabeth I's days
the men of Halifax were spoken of as behaving 'after the rude and
arrogant manner of their wilde country.' It would be rash to suggest
that Yorkshire folk have changed much since those days, and this
applies to the women as well as to the men. A Yorkshire person has a
strong backbone; lean on it but do not try to bend it."
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From P.Scorer at lmu.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 12:15:46 2001
From: P.Scorer at lmu.ac.uk (Scorer, Paul [IES])
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:15:46 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Paper Saving: two sided printing
Message-ID: <A2E8314904B3D311BB72009027718F42A52533@lis-exchange2-private.lmu.ac.uk>
Many thanks for this Hau. A booklet saves more paper :-)
I have hacked it for the deskjet.
According to the postscript reference manual
%!PS-Adobe-N.M
must be the first line of a conformant postscript file
[N.M == Version]
I have incorporated a quick test.
I don't seem to have a2ps - is this one of yours?
As you will see this means it only handles *.ps
I haven't attempted using tee (if it ain't broke, ... :-) )
Not extensively tested (only a couple of files)
Code follows:
=============snip to here==============
#!/bin/bash
# HHC -- 14/4/2000, 18/4/2000 version 0.02
# Hacked by Paul Scorer for Deskjet Printer Fri Feb 9 11:44:30 GMT 2001
# Don't have a2ps now - this will only handle postscript files; later?? :-)
usage="Usage: booklet PostscriptFile"
case $# in
1 ) option=-p; infile=$1;;
# 1 ) option=--txt ; infile=$1 ;;
# 2 ) option=$1 ; infile=$2 ;;
* ) echo $usage ; exit 1 ;;
esac
pname=${0##*/}
if [ ! -e $infile ]; then echo "$pname: Can't find $infile"; exit 1; fi
if [ -d $infile ]; then echo "$pname: $infile is a directory"; exit 1; fi
if [ ! -r $infile ]; then echo "$pname: No read permission on $infile"; exit 1; fi
# WISH any easy checking for a vaild postscript file? Try this?
head -1 $1 | grep '%!PS-Adobe' 2>&1 > /dev/null;
if [ $? -ne 0 ]
then
echo "$pname: $1 is not postscript"
exit 1
fi
case $option in
txt | -t ) a2ps -1 -B-borders=no $infile -o /tmp/pp.ps ;;
man | -m ) a2ps -1 -B-borders=no -m -c $infile -o /tmp/pp.ps ;;
ps | -p ) cp $infile /tmp/pp.ps ;;
* ) echo $usage ; exit 1 ;;
esac
psbook /tmp/pp.ps | psnup -2 > /tmp/pp-nup.ps
psselect -e /tmp/pp-nup.ps /tmp/pp-outside.ps
psselect -o -r /tmp/pp-nup.ps /tmp/pp-inside.ps &
# WISH can I tee to 2 psselect?
echo
echo "insert a colour paper as cover if you want"
echo "press <RETURN> to print first pass" $'\a'
read
lpr /tmp/pp-outside.ps
wait # until inside pages finish
echo "put half baked pages (print side up - don't rotate) in feed tray"
echo "press <RETURN> to print second pass" $'\a'
read
lpr /tmp/pp-inside.ps
rm -f /tmp/pp.ps /tmp/pp-nup.ps /tmp/pp-outside.ps /tmp/pp-inside.ps
echo 'Done'
#====================code ends===========================
From richard at sheflug.co.uk Fri Feb 9 12:42:34 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: Networking]] & a legal question
In-Reply-To: <F71zQpc03TqRRAY1raz00006a84@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102091226060.1598-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Dear All
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ben Fowler wrote:
> "The Yorkshire people are by reputation robust in physique,
> though not especially handsome, efficient and vigorous in their
> undertakings, blunt in speech and rather well satisfied with
> themselves. They dislike excessive expressions of emotion and are
> cautious with strangers, but once they accept you they are staunchly
> if soberly faithful. They prefer practice to theory. Above all, they
> are extremely independent. An Abbot of York wrote to Henry VIII:
> 'There be such a company of wilful gentlemen within Yorkshire as
> there be not in all England besides.' In Queen Elizabeth I's days
> the men of Halifax were spoken of as behaving 'after the rude and
> arrogant manner of their wilde country.' It would be rash to suggest
> that Yorkshire folk have changed much since those days, and this
> applies to the women as well as to the men. A Yorkshire person has a
> strong backbone; lean on it but do not try to bend it."
Yes, I've read all the O'Reilly colophons that are worth reading :))
The above would make a fine example of a newly produced colophon for
the back of a new book by O'Reilly. Perhaps a picture of a
Yorkshireman on the front cover wearing a flat hat ? Although, where
all the horses and injuns fit in to this I don't know.
As for the title of the book ? Well, I don't know. Network Security
for t'Tyke wi' Trouble up t'top Mill ?
Thanks
Richard
From HHCHAU at leva.leeds.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 13:47:58 2001
From: HHCHAU at leva.leeds.ac.uk (Hau Hing)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:47:58 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: Paper Saving: two sided printing
In-Reply-To: <A2E8314904B3D311BB72009027718F42A52533@lis-exchange2-private.lmu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-2 (vms).1010209133758.24017A-100000@leva.leeds.ac.uk>
Dear Paul
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Scorer, Paul [IES] wrote:
> Many thanks for this Hau. A booklet saves more paper :-)
>
> I have hacked it for the deskjet.
Very nice. Now I have a generalized version works for both laserjet and
deskjet.
> According to the postscript reference manual
> %!PS-Adobe-N.M
> must be the first line of a conformant postscript file
> [N.M == Version]
> I have incorporated a quick test.
>
> I don't seem to have a2ps - is this one of yours?
> As you will see this means it only handles *.ps
As their names suggest, it seems to me that psbook, psnup, psselect, etc
handles only ps files. That's why I need a2ps for plain text files. I
guess FSF maintains GNU a2ps, which I am certian it is available from you
distribution CD-ROM or over the net. a2ps can do more thing than just
adding a "%!PS-Adobe-2.0" header.
Cheers
Hau Hing
From d.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk Fri Feb 9 13:52:31 2001
From: d.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk (Dave Whiteley)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:52:31 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: Networking]] & a legal question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102091226060.1598-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010209135231.d.l.whiteley@ee.leeds.ac.uk>
>
> As for the title of the book ? Well, I don't know. Network Security
> for t'Tyke wi' Trouble up t'top Mill ?
>
I cannot think why I suggest
Generosity in a Nutshell
Dave
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Date: 09-Feb-2001
Time: 13:50:00
Phone: 0113 233 2059
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From gaby.vanhegan at totalise.co.uk Thu Feb 8 23:58:38 2001
From: gaby.vanhegan at totalise.co.uk (Gaby Vanhegan)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:58:38 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CGI Filenames
Message-ID: <B6A8E32D.1A9F%gaby.vanhegan@totalise.co.uk>
Here's a cunning problem:
The webmail client I'm writing, in order to save space keeps all the message
data in the rfc833 format mbox files. So that I don't have to deal with the
hassles of extracting MIME attachments all over the shop I have a script
that pulls the decoded MIME attachment out of the message and prints that to
a browser. Looks something like this:
<img src=getmime.cgi?folder=inbox&msg=2&mime=2>
That would link to message 2 in the folder 'inbox' and mime attachment 2 of
that mail item. The getmime would then extract that MIME item and print
something like this to the browser:
Content-type: image/jpg
---- image data in here...
The browser then displays the image or prompts to save the file if it's not
an image. The problem lies with the fact that every file downloaded is
named getmime.cgi, as opposed to the filename specified in the MIME header
for that attachment. How can I make the downloaded file have the name it's
supposed to?
Agby
--
Shaddappa ya face!
gaby@vanhegan.com
From cathy at portfoliokm.co.uk Sat Feb 10 18:55:47 2001
From: cathy at portfoliokm.co.uk (Cathy Chapman)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:55:47 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
Message-ID: <KNEKIOLKGPJDCMFKMHPJIELCCAAA.cathy@portfoliokm.co.uk>
Hi,
I've configured kppp to dialup to BT Internet (the 15 quid a month for 24/7
access).
Their instructions give 3 DNS addresses but also states that if your dialup
software allows supports it, set DNS addreses to be server assigned.
I'm not sure what this means, and have left kppp configured to use 2 out of
the 3 servers.
After lots of problems with configuration (more than I've had in the past) I
can now dialup OK as long as the following holds true:
- I have to use the noauth PPP option
- I have to set up a chap-secrets file
- I have to start kppp as root
Anyway, as soon as I am logged on, nothing happens. I cannot ping, browse,
or do nslookup's. The modem transmit/receive lights stay permanently off.
The kppp details show some activity during logon but then flat-line!
Can anyone help here as I'm having the mickey taken out of me big-time by my
missus who's dialing up without problems using Windows ME.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Mark
From bpfowler at hotmail.com Sun Feb 11 12:59:15 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:59:15
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
Message-ID: <F176USzbAUfKRfcjcMz000041d9@hotmail.com>
>Their instructions give 3 DNS addresses but also states that if your dialup
>software allows supports it, set DNS addreses to be server assigned. I'm
>not sure what this means, and have left kppp configured to use 2 out of the
>3 servers.
It means that optionally, pppd will ask its peer for the address
of a nameserver.
(This is better documented for Windows systems as
"Server Assigned DNS").
<
URL:http://www.google.com/search?q=must+be+some+dumb+Microsoft+thing&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&btnG=Google+Search
>
You need pppd 2.3.7 or later and give the 'usepeerdns' option
to pppd. Details, and some alternatives are at
< URL:http://www.noether.freeserve.co.uk/usepeerdns.html >
>After lots of problems with configuration (more than I've had in the past)
>I can now dialup OK as long as the following holds true: - I have to use
>the noauth PPP option
Isn't this a basic point, you are telling your pppd not to
question the credentials of the BTInternet peer (BTInternet
probably wouldn't authenticate to you anyway)?
>- I have to set up a chap-secrets file
Fairly basic, you are setting up for the challenge handshake
authentication protocol, one favoured by Microsoft but
without serious defects.
>- I have to start kppp as root
Normally pppd runs as root so that it can modify the routeing
table. I have seen kppp handle setting up a connection
(under sawfish/gnome actually) without root privileges so
my guess is that if properly set up, it does not need to
be run as root.
>Anyway, as soon as I am logged on, nothing happens. I cannot ping, browse,
>or do nslookup's. The modem transmit/receive lights stay permanently off.
If you can get the remote IP address (from /var/log/messages or
nearby) then you should be able to ping that. Check the kernel
routeing tables - I wonder if kppp is setting up the default
route for you.
>Can anyone help here as I'm having the mickey taken out of me
>big-time by my missus who's dialing up without problems using Windows ME?
Me? Come between husband and wife?
Jim often posts on ppp problems so you might to wait to see
what he has to say.
Ben.
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Sun Feb 11 16:08:14 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:08:14
Subject: [Wylug-help] Help with choosing CD ROM
Message-ID: <F7hYQYx3G5aYY61LEdy0000202c@hotmail.com>
I'm wanting to get a CD for for sister & have been meaning
to get round to it for about 18 months. The music that I am thinking
of getting is Bach's Cantata BWV 22 'Jesu nahm zu sich die Zwölfe'.
< URL:http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/zu22/html/Bach/Bach.html >.
I would be grateful if anyone could tell me whether this is
likely to be the piece I'm after (I'm not that musical),
which recording is recommended. (Perhaps Alicia de Larrocha
< URL:http://www.universalclassics.com/usa/selection.asp?selection_id=2334
>) & where to get it. Borders? HMV?
Ben.
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From jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 17:06:24 2001
From: jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Jim Jackson)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:06:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
In-Reply-To: <KNEKIOLKGPJDCMFKMHPJIELCCAAA.cathy@portfoliokm.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102121702290.935-100000@cslin120>
What is in the syslog for pppd. If you can switch on debugging and check
the logs again.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2001, Cathy Chapman wrote:
> Hi,
> I've configured kppp to dialup to BT Internet (the 15 quid a month for 24/7
> access).
> Their instructions give 3 DNS addresses but also states that if your dialup
> software allows supports it, set DNS addreses to be server assigned.
What other information do they give for using the service?
> I'm not sure what this means, and have left kppp configured to use 2 out of
> the 3 servers.
I assume kppp stuffs these in the /etc/resolv.conf file - check that it does.
> After lots of problems with configuration (more than I've had in the past) I
> can now dialup OK as long as the following holds true:
> - I have to use the noauth PPP option
> - I have to set up a chap-secrets file
and put in you authorisation name and password?
> - I have to start kppp as root
haven't a clue about the funny front ends.
>
> Anyway, as soon as I am logged on, nothing happens. I cannot ping, browse,
> or do nslookup's. The modem transmit/receive lights stay permanently off.
> The kppp details show some activity during logon but then flat-line!
>
> Can anyone help here as I'm having the mickey taken out of me big-time by my
> missus who's dialing up without problems using Windows ME.
> Thanks a lot in advance,
> Mark
>
From jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 17:20:00 2001
From: jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Jim Jackson)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:20:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Networking
In-Reply-To: <006601c09134$756edaa0$6ba0fea9@mesh>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102121717300.935-100000@cslin120>
What is the output of the netstat -r (route) command?
What is the output of ifconfig?
host unreachable usually indicates a misconfig problem - not a hardware prob.
jim
On Wed, 7 Feb 2001, John Burrell wrote:
> I'm trying to network two machines. The server has got ppp access to the internet, the client is an old 486 which I'm trying to route through the server. There is one NIC per machine. I am running RH 7.0, 2.2.16-22.
>
> ifconfig shows that eth0 on both machines is configured correctly.
> Various outputs from netstat appear to show the network and hosts are correct on each machine and the gateway is set on the client -
> but when I ping either machine from the other I get 'host unreachable'. I assume it is a hardware problem (presumably on the 486) but before I go buying new bits of kit, what additional software diagnostics are worth running to confirm that it is the hardware? Can I tell which machine is the problem?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> John
>
From p.j.nix at leeds.ac.uk Tue Feb 13 14:09:46 2001
From: p.j.nix at leeds.ac.uk (peter nix)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:09:46 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: [Wylug-discuss] Interesting/Amusing Art Piece...
References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB202D739D3@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3A89402A.CCC6B63@leeds.ac.uk>
Simon Wood wrote:
>
> Taken from the 'wear-hard' email list.
>
> ..what in earth has this got to do with Linux???? - Probably nothing but....
Actually, there _is_ some linux in this project of his:
http://wearcam.org/historical/node11.html
Peter
>
> The creator (a leader in the field of wearable computers) is posing some interesting views/comments on future control of knowledge and ultimately of people.
>
> Laugh all you like, but remember your seating license runs out in 5 seconds!!
> Simon Wood
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Mann [SMTP:mann@eecg.toronto.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:05 AM
> > To: wear-hard@haven.org
> > Cc: mann@eecg.toronto.edu
> > Subject: Wearable Computing exhibit at San Francisco Art Institute (SFAI)
> >
> > although some of my work is showing at moma (new york, museum of modern
> > art) this is mostly old work (20 years ago), but i've been having a lot
> > more fun with the san francisco art institute.
> >
> > the curator (dietz), working through ici in new york, wanted something
> > on my wearable computing work, so i came up with something kind of
> > unexpected, namely a solid oak chair connected to the internet.
> >
> > what does a solid oak chair have to do with wearable computing?
> >
> > twenty three spikes stick up on the seat of the chair, and are
> > retracted (pulse of energy through 1 farad "high voltage capacitor")
> > if you swipe a credit card through the slot on the chair.
> >
> >
> > see http://wearcam.org/seatsale/index.htm
> > for pictures, etc..
> >
> >
> > --steve
> >
> > Prof. S. Mann
> > Dept. Elec. and Comp. Engineering
> >
> >
> > Wearable Computing, by its very nature,
> > blurs the boundary between "thinking"
> > and "computing" as well as the boundary
> > between "remembering" and "recording".
> >
> > Thus, in the "cyborg" age, what will it
> > mean to patent an algorithm (a process
> > of thoughts), or to copyright some data
> > (e.g. a collection of memories)?
> >
> > Will it mean that...
> > Memorization is copying; copying is theft!
> > Seeing is recording; recording is theft!
> > Learning is downloading; downloading is theft!
> > or that the learner must pay a license fee to the
> > teacher, each time he or she thinks of some
> > patented thoughts or copyrighted memories?
> >
> > As we evolve from "Wearables" to
> > "Implantables.com" will we witness the birth of
> > the one-seat floating license? Will the license
> > manager allow more than fifty people to think
> > the same thoughts at the same time, if all we
> > have purchased is a 50 seat thinking license?
> > Will free thinking be considered circumvention
> > of the Uniform SEAT Association's UseatA?
> >
> > Will laws or contracts against reverse
> > engineering make "thought experiments"
> > illegal? Will the current-day criminalization
> > of science manifest itself as the thought police
> > of the future? Or will we free ourselves from
> > the concept of Intellectual Property altogether?
> >
> >
>
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Tue Feb 13 15:13:53 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:13:53
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
Message-ID: <F649kVfbuhhhETApmdU0000ac64@hotmail.com>
>It means that optionally, pppd will ask its peer for the address
>of a nameserver.
Whilst in use, pppd behaves as though that were so; in fact my
statement above contains a definite factual error 9which I
noticed shortly after posting... ). I don't
want to labour the point, so I will just 'fess up and point
out that the technical details are available on the web for
anyone who needs them.
Sorry.
Ben
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From John at burrell2.karoo.co.uk Tue Feb 13 18:26:03 2001
From: John at burrell2.karoo.co.uk (John Burrell)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:26:03 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] NIS server
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I get
'can't enumerate maps from the host. Check it's running'
Is this a permissions problem?
The server and client talk to each other through ping, telnet and ftp =
with no problem.
Thanks for your help
John
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From mark at portfoliokm.co.uk Tue Feb 13 18:42:19 2001
From: mark at portfoliokm.co.uk (Mark Owens)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:42:19 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
In-Reply-To: <F649kVfbuhhhETApmdU0000ac64@hotmail.com>
References: <F649kVfbuhhhETApmdU0000ac64@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01021318430000.03126@mark>
On Thu, 01 Jan 1970, Ben Fowler wrote:
> >It means that optionally, pppd will ask its peer for the address
> >of a nameserver.
>
> Whilst in use, pppd behaves as though that were so; in fact my
> statement above contains a definite factual error 9which I
> noticed shortly after posting... ). I don't
> want to labour the point, so I will just 'fess up and point
> out that the technical details are available on the web for
> anyone who needs them.
Hi Ben & everyone else who offered assistance,
It's working!
I had a look in the logs and they didn't seem to be displaying errors.
kppp was putting temporary lines into /etc/resolve.conf whilst it was running.
During the dialup problems I've been trying to get samba working - perhaps this
could be the reason it's working again?
Thanks anyway.
Mark
>
> Sorry.
>
> Ben
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From istz3267 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 14 08:21:59 2001
From: istz3267 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIEFwYXJpY2lvIEZlcm7hbmRleg==?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:21:59 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] NIS server
Message-ID: <LAW2-F158aii08N8yxd00003a43@hotmail.com>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Once you have configurated the NIS server use linuxconf to tell the address where the NIS server is. This is indicated to do the yp binding and it is an useful an easy tool to use.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can read the NIS howto which is an excellent HOWTO to configurate the NIS server. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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From istz3267 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 14 08:32:16 2001
From: istz3267 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIEFwYXJpY2lvIEZlcm7hbmRleg==?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:32:16 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] [newbie] Linux Access to BT Internet?
Message-ID: <LAW2-F243QdkwIWStui00002f23@hotmail.com>
<html><DIV>
<P>I think that you have not really connected to your internet server provider. It is defenetly true that if you cannot see the leds of the modem your conexion is out. </P>
<P>Have you got your user and password properly? Have you checked the telephone number? Does the kppp die unexpectly? Have you checked the kppp log?</P>
<P>If you find problems with kppp there is a tool called netcfg that you might use to connect to the internet. </P>
<P>Cheers</P>
<P>Jose Antonio Aparicio Fernandez</P>
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Feb 14 12:30:50 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] exim and smartusers
Message-ID: <01021412305003.03729@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
We (Andy and me) are trying to set up a mail server using exim to
support multiple domains. We're trying to set up two service levels,
one being a simple mail redirector, and the other using proper mailbox
users.
We currently have this working for specific mailboxes, i.e. an incoming
email is checked agains the appropriate aliases file for the domain in
question, and the address expanded to either anothe email address
somewhere else, or to a local user.
Questions:
1) is there any way of doing the mail redirecting without having to
actually receive and forward the email. If we are dealing with a 5MB
email, it means that we will be shovelling 10MB about, whereas if we
could do it a better way we would only be shovelling a few bytes.
2) is it possible to set up per-domain smartusers? We want to provide
the facility of per-domain catch-all mail address redirection to a
nominated recipient.
--
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From richard at sheflug.co.uk Wed Feb 14 14:37:35 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:37:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Dear All
I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
good with it. I'd like to learn more.
I notice that if I use Lyx it will generate the appropriate code for
me. After producing the document I'd like to turn it into a PDF
document with PDFLATEX.
I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
to.
If I want to put "testfile.lyx" through pdflatex what command do I use
? Is it something like 'testfile.lyx > pdflatex' or is it something
else ?
Thanks
Richard
From rl117 at york.ac.uk Wed Feb 14 16:38:02 2001
From: rl117 at york.ac.uk (Roger Leigh)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:38:02 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>; from richard@sheflug.co.uk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 02:37:35PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010214163802.B292@tower.york.ac.uk>
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 02:37:35PM +0000, Richard wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
> good with it. I'd like to learn more.
I got into it last year. Have you tired (IIRC) "A Guide to LaTeX2e" by
Helmut Kopka and Patrick W. Daly? This has a few introductory chapters for
the beginner, and once you understand that, the rest can be used as a
reference/guide as and when you need it.
> I notice that if I use Lyx it will generate the appropriate code for
> me. After producing the document I'd like to turn it into a PDF
> document with PDFLATEX.
>
> I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
> comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
> to.
>
> If I want to put "testfile.lyx" through pdflatex what command do I use
> ? Is it something like 'testfile.lyx > pdflatex' or is it something
> else ?
I use 'pdflatex testfile.tex' which seems to do the trick (though it
doesn't like included EPS graphics--I believe you can use jpg/tiff/png/pdf
images though).
Regards,
Roger
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From s.patterson at freeuk.com Wed Feb 14 18:15:53 2001
From: s.patterson at freeuk.com (Stephen Patterson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:15:53 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>; from richard@sheflug.co.uk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 02:37:35PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010214181553.A592@freeuk.com>
On 14/02, Richard scribed:
> Dear All
>
> I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
> good with it. I'd like to learn more.
>
> I notice that if I use Lyx it will generate the appropriate code for
> me. After producing the document I'd like to turn it into a PDF
> document with PDFLATEX.
>
> I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
> comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
> to.
>
> If I want to put "testfile.lyx" through pdflatex what command do I use
> ? Is it something like 'testfile.lyx > pdflatex' or is it something
> else ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Richard
I was using Klyx for a while (kde version of lyx) before getyting into LaTeX
proper. Back then, Klyx generated code that wasn't quite LaTeX, so good luck
with pdflatex on it.
>
>
>
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>
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 14 19:46:00 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:46:00 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <20010214163802.B292@tower.york.ac.uk>; from rl117@york.ac.uk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:38:02PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk> <20010214163802.B292@tower.york.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010214194600.A1699@peach.veggie.com>
Replying to 2 in 1:
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:38:02PM +0000, Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 02:37:35PM +0000, Richard wrote:
> > Dear All
> >
> > I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
> > good with it. I'd like to learn more.
>
> I got into it last year. Have you tired (IIRC) "A Guide to LaTeX2e" by
> Helmut Kopka and Patrick W. Daly? This has a few introductory chapters for
> the beginner, and once you understand that, the rest can be used as a
> reference/guide as and when you need it.
Also good for an introduction are:
/usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/general/essential.dvi
/usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/general/latex2e.dvi
which you can view on your machine with xdvi
>
> > I notice that if I use Lyx it will generate the appropriate code for
> > me. After producing the document I'd like to turn it into a PDF
> > document with PDFLATEX.
> >
> > I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
> > comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
> > to.
> >
> > If I want to put "testfile.lyx" through pdflatex what command do I use
> > ? Is it something like 'testfile.lyx > pdflatex' or is it something
> > else ?
I've no idea about how pdflatex handles .lyx files as I haven't used
lyx.
I've uploaded the notes I used in my talk the other night along with
some templates, scripts and a few other bits. There's a link to the
tarball at the bottom of this page:
http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/miscellany
There's also a README in there which lists a few links & docs.
>
> I use 'pdflatex testfile.tex' which seems to do the trick (though it
> doesn't like included EPS graphics--I believe you can use jpg/tiff/png/pdf
> images though).
Included in that archive is a perl script `epstopdf' which you can run
your eps files through to convert them, then put:
\usepackage[pdftex]{graphicx}
in the preamble and something like:
\includegraphics[width=5cm]{foo.pdf}
in the body of your document.
More information on the graphicx package:
$ gv /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/graphics/grfguide.ps
BTW, all paths may vary on your machine and I assume you've got a
complete tetex distribution which comes with most if not all linux
distros.
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 14 21:04:51 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:04:51 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX - apologies
In-Reply-To: <20010214163802.B292@tower.york.ac.uk>; from rl117@york.ac.uk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 04:38:02PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk> <20010214163802.B292@tower.york.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010214210451.A2098@peach.veggie.com>
I fouled up:
$ rm README ~
Doh!
Also intro.tex wont compile as it uses a non-standard package.
I've commented out the offending lines (lines 4, 627-629) and it
should now work.
New tarball now uploaded.
--
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From richard at quark.org.uk Wed Feb 14 19:06:49 2001
From: richard at quark.org.uk (Richard)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:06:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <20010214181553.A592@freeuk.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141901110.2314-100000@quark.org.uk>
Dear All
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Stephen Patterson wrote:
> I was using Klyx for a while (kde version of lyx) before getyting into LaTeX
> proper. Back then, Klyx generated code that wasn't quite LaTeX, so good luck
> with pdflatex on it.
I've been having a go with it. I did 'pdflatex testfile.lyx' and the
following came out of the terminal window....
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159-13d (Web2C 7.3.1) (format=pdflatex 2000.8.6) 14 FEB 2001 18:25
**testfile.tex
(testfile.lyx[/var/lib/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg]
LaTeX2e <1999/12/01> patch level 1
Babel <v3.6Z> and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, n
ohyphenation, loaded.
! You can't use `macro parameter character #' in vertical mode.
l.1 #
LyX 1.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
?
! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}.
See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type H <return> for immediate help.
...
l.1 #L
yX 1.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
?
! Emergency stop.
...
l.1 #L
yX 1.1 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
You're in trouble here. Try typing <return> to proceed.
If that doesn't work, type X <return> to quit.
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
6 strings out of 25631
179 string characters out of 193580
44002 words of memory out of 384000
3055 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+15000
3640 words of font info for 14 fonts, out of 400000 for 1000
14 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000
5i,0n,4p,81b,14s stack positions out of 300i,100n,500p,50000b,4000s
At this point I pressed Ctrl-c. And, this happened.....
! ==> Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file not finished!
So, no sense anywhere and no one knows what to do at all :((
Anyone know what to do now ?
Thanks
Richard
From richard at sheflug.co.uk Wed Feb 14 21:37:32 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:37:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX - apologies
In-Reply-To: <20010214210451.A2098@peach.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102142135360.1708-100000@quark.org.uk>
Frank
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Frank Shute wrote:
> I fouled up:
Oh :)
Tried the URL you posted and it's saying "404 not found". Did you
slip up with the URL ?
Thanks
Richard
From mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au Wed Feb 14 22:07:24 2001
From: mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:07:24 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102150901251.16121-100000@inductor.ieee.uow.edu.au>
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Richard wrote:
> I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
> good with it. I'd like to learn more.
Others have mentioned all the stuff that helped me get going, so I'll say no
more.
> I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
> comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
> to.
It is a little vague, I'll admit - certainly it doesn't give a decent
invocation string. Such is life.
The way to run pdflatex (and more or less any other TeX related program) is
to just give it the name of your source file and let it sort the rest out.
For instance:
pdflatex testfile.lyx
should produce a nice PDF file, as well as an .aux file, and a .log file,
all of the same name. The log file will tell you everything that happened
(in case an error or warning disappeared off the top of the screen), and the
aux file is for more advanced LaTeX - like bibliographies, cross references,
tables of {contents,figures,etc}. You'll learn about them at a later point.
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Wed Feb 14 22:02:39 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:02:39 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: Message from Richard <richard@quark.org.uk>
of "Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:06:49 GMT." <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141901110.2314-100000@quark.org.uk>
Message-ID: <E14TA0V-0003QY-00@rioja.localnet>
richard@quark.org.uk said:
> I've been having a go with it. I did 'pdflatex testfile.lyx' and the
> following came out of the terminal window....
Thats cos its a .lyx file and not a .tex file.
Save it (think it used to be an export operation) as a .tex file and
try that...
Nigel.
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Thu Feb 15 04:28:43 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 04:28:43 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX - apologies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102142135360.1708-100000@quark.org.uk>; from richard@sheflug.co.uk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:37:32PM +0000
References: <20010214210451.A2098@peach.veggie.com> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102142135360.1708-100000@quark.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20010215042843.A2723@peach.veggie.com>
On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:37:32PM +0000, Richard wrote:
> Frank
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Frank Shute wrote:
>
> > I fouled up:
>
> Oh :)
>
> Tried the URL you posted and it's saying "404 not found". Did you
> slip up with the URL ?
I seem to be making a habit of fouling up...
http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/miscellany.html
Apologies once again.
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From roger at suse-linux.co.uk Thu Feb 15 08:46:15 2001
From: roger at suse-linux.co.uk (Roger Whittaker)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:46:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102141436260.908-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102150838010.4300-100000@edward.suse.co.uk>
When I send you the flyer for the event I'll send you the source too. The
best way to start is by playing with an existing example document.
I personally wouldn't recommend lyx/klyx because I believe it may not
support all the fancier things you might want to do in terms of tuning the
layout on the page. (When I last tried it wouldn't import my latex
files). Also because it 'hides' the reality from you.
However it's a very good 'non-word-processor'.
I think the book which someone already mentioned:
A Guide to LaTeX
Helmut Kopka, Patric Daly
paperback - 616 pages 3rd Ed edition ( 1 December, 1998)
Addison-Wesley; ISBN: 0201398257
is really excellent.
Plus the online stuff you get when you install tetex.
There's a learning curve, but it's really worth it, particularly if you
want to do maths / scientific documents or just very nicely typeset
book-quality work.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Richard wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I've been trying a few things out with LaTeX. I'm not really all that
> good with it. I'd like to learn more.
>
> I notice that if I use Lyx it will generate the appropriate code for
> me. After producing the document I'd like to turn it into a PDF
> document with PDFLATEX.
>
> I've looked into man pdflatex and all I can see is a few vague
> comments that don't make any sense to me or anyone else I've talked
> to.
>
> If I want to put "testfile.lyx" through pdflatex what command do I use
> ? Is it something like 'testfile.lyx > pdflatex' or is it something
> else ?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
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From richard at sheflug.co.uk Thu Feb 15 10:14:26 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:14:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102150838010.4300-100000@edward.suse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102151005510.1245-100000@quark.org.uk>
Roger
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Roger Whittaker wrote:
> I personally wouldn't recommend lyx/klyx because I believe it may not
> support all the fancier things you might want to do in terms of tuning the
> layout on the page. (When I last tried it wouldn't import my latex
> files). Also because it 'hides' the reality from you.
> However it's a very good 'non-word-processor'.
Well, the thing is that I always find that when I try to learn some
new code or rather the structure of the the code when the entire thing
is finished that it's much better if I can get an application that can
do the whole thing for me to start with. If I do it that way I can
see how things should be and compare it with my own stupid mistakes.
Frank was having problems sending stuff to this list. I'm just the
same with programming methods. I have three goes at it and still I
find mistakes.
Learning some simple HTML was a nightmare for me :))
> I think the book which someone already mentioned:
I like the one by Goosens and Rahtz. It's just about the kind of
thing I'm looking for. I've ordered it from Blackwell's in Sheffield.
> Plus the online stuff you get when you install tetex.
I'll have a look into this.
Thanks
Richard
From roger at suse-linux.co.uk Thu Feb 15 10:52:51 2001
From: roger at suse-linux.co.uk (Roger Whittaker)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:52:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102151005510.1245-100000@quark.org.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102151050380.4627-100000@edward.suse.co.uk>
Isn't that the LaTeX Web companion? An excellent book but not a book to
help you start with LaTeX.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Richard wrote:
> I like the one by Goosens and Rahtz. It's just about the kind of
> thing I'm looking for. I've ordered it from Blackwell's in Sheffield.
>
> > Plus the online stuff you get when you install tetex.
>
> I'll have a look into this.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From richard at sheflug.co.uk Thu Feb 15 10:59:58 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:59:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102151050380.4627-100000@edward.suse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102151057250.1661-100000@quark.org.uk>
Roger
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Roger Whittaker wrote:
> Isn't that the LaTeX Web companion? An excellent book but not a book to
> help you start with LaTeX.
Well, it's got all the stuff in it. It's just what I want. The
others look good but fall short of the full thing.
What I call a beginners book is something like second year degree
level organic chemistry. So, if I get hold of a simple book it's not
much use to me.
Thanks
Richard
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Thu Feb 15 14:06:16 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:06:16 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: LaTeX
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102151005510.1245-100000@quark.org.uk>; from richard@sheflug.co.uk on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:14:26AM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102150838010.4300-100000@edward.suse.co.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.32.0102151005510.1245-100000@quark.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20010215140616.A974@peach.veggie.com>
On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:14:26AM +0000, Richard wrote:
> Roger
>
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Roger Whittaker wrote:
>
> > I personally wouldn't recommend lyx/klyx because I believe it may not
> > support all the fancier things you might want to do in terms of tuning the
> > layout on the page. (When I last tried it wouldn't import my latex
> > files). Also because it 'hides' the reality from you.
> > However it's a very good 'non-word-processor'.
>
> Well, the thing is that I always find that when I try to learn some
> new code or rather the structure of the the code when the entire thing
> is finished that it's much better if I can get an application that can
> do the whole thing for me to start with. If I do it that way I can
> see how things should be and compare it with my own stupid mistakes.
>
> Frank was having problems sending stuff to this list. I'm just the
> same with programming methods. I have three goes at it and still I
> find mistakes.
I'm the same but the only way to learn is making mistakes and not
becoming too discouraged. I've finally learnt how to make an archive
without obliterating the README first and I've even managed to post a
correct URL!
>
> Learning some simple HTML was a nightmare for me :))
With LaTeX (and HTML) I just started off by marking-up simple
documents eg letters and just picked up more techniques as I went
along.
Look at the templates that I uploaded - I've done most of the hard
part creating the templates, you just need to add a bit of content.
>
> > I think the book which someone already mentioned:
>
> I like the one by Goosens and Rahtz. It's just about the kind of
> thing I'm looking for. I've ordered it from Blackwell's in Sheffield.
I can't really comment on the book that Roger mentioned apart from
that it's one of the one's that's most frequently recommended for
getting in to LaTeX.
Another one for those who've progressed beyond the basics is:
`The LaTeX Companion' Goossens, Mittelbach et al.
which introduces you to a number of useful packages and techniques
although it's a bit long in the tooth now.
The focus of `The LaTeX Web Companion' on the other hand is fairly
narrow, concerning itself with creating pdf and html from LaTeX and
giving an introduction to SGML/XML and associated tools. I'd buy this
book only if you want to get into these and already know how to
mark-up LaTeX.
>
> > Plus the online stuff you get when you install tetex.
>
> I'll have a look into this.
I've put some links to these in the README in the tarball I uploaded:
http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/pdflatex.tar.gz
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From een9s2m at ECU-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Thu Feb 15 17:33:25 2001
From: een9s2m at ECU-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK (S. Middleditch)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:33:25 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re:GCC and Xenacs for Macintosh
Message-ID: <3A8C12E4.20601.10964D@localhost>
To Whomever reads this,
I am a student at Leeds University and I need to get copies of the
GCC compiler and Xemacs editor onto my computer at home. It is
a Macintosh G3. I do have a copy of Code Warrior but my course
dictates my use of GCC and Xemacs. Is there anyone in the user
group who may be able to offer any advice on this problem.
ie:where I may find downloadable copies of these software
packages.
Thankyou for your efforts.
Steve Middleditch
Steve Middleditch
From s.patterson at freeuk.com Thu Feb 15 18:47:59 2001
From: s.patterson at freeuk.com (Stephen Patterson)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:47:59 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re:GCC and Xenacs for Macintosh
In-Reply-To: <3A8C12E4.20601.10964D@localhost>; from een9s2m@ECU-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 05:33:25PM -0000
References: <3A8C12E4.20601.10964D@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010215184759.A950@freeuk.com>
On 15/02, S. Middleditch scribed:
> To Whomever reads this,
> I am a student at Leeds University and I need to get copies of the
> GCC compiler and Xemacs editor onto my computer at home. It is
> a Macintosh G3. I do have a copy of Code Warrior but my course
> dictates my use of GCC and Xemacs. Is there anyone in the user
> group who may be able to offer any advice on this problem.
> ie:where I may find downloadable copies of these software
> packages.
> Thankyou for your efforts.
> Steve Middleditch
>
> Steve Middleditch
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
take a look at www.gnu.org , any ports ought to be there.
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From rus0teh at ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 14:53:15 2001
From: rus0teh at ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK (T.E. Hodson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:53:15 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
Message-ID: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
I've got a couple of rather basic questions. I installed RedHat
6.2 server-class followed by X and fvwm. I want to get the Control
Panel to work but when I try to install the rpm I get a message
saying:
failed dependencies
libgdk-1.2.so.o
libgtk-1.2.so.o
I've tried copying these modules to the /lib directory but it still
doesn't work. What am I supposed to do with them?
Also I'm trying to connect 2 machines together. I've recompiled the
kernel to include ethernet support, but when I boot up I get the
message
Bringing up interface eth0 Delaying eth0 initialisation
How do I initialise eth0?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Tom Hodson
From ranyardm at lineone.net Fri Feb 16 15:05:03 2001
From: ranyardm at lineone.net (Martyn Ranyard)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:05:03 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
References: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <005301c09829$dbc696c0$0c00000a@inter.co.uk>
Tried "ifconfig up eth0"? it may work, but I would imagine that it won't, I
haven't ever seen that message before, not that I use RH, but you can try
it. You probably need a few arguments, like ip address, broadcast and
netmask as well. If you look at the contents of the startup scripts, you
can work out what it needs to be, or just do a "man ifconfig"
Martyn
----- Original Message -----
From: T.E. Hodson <rus0teh@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK>
To: <wylug-help@wylug.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
> I've got a couple of rather basic questions. I installed RedHat
> 6.2 server-class followed by X and fvwm. I want to get the Control
> Panel to work but when I try to install the rpm I get a message
> saying:
>
> failed dependencies
> libgdk-1.2.so.o
> libgtk-1.2.so.o
>
> I've tried copying these modules to the /lib directory but it still
> doesn't work. What am I supposed to do with them?
>
> Also I'm trying to connect 2 machines together. I've recompiled the
> kernel to include ethernet support, but when I boot up I get the
> message
>
> Bringing up interface eth0 Delaying eth0 initialisation
>
> How do I initialise eth0?
>
> Thanks a lot for any help.
>
> Tom Hodson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
From istz3267 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 16 15:09:02 2001
From: istz3267 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIEFwYXJpY2lvIEZlcm7hbmRleg==?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:09:02 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] problems with Kppp and netcfg in Red Hat 7.0
Message-ID: <LAW2-F1764MmXKCnzNw0000adeb@hotmail.com>
I am trying to connect to internet using KPPP in Red Hat 70 but suddenly I
recieve the message Kppp died unexpectly. This message has been recieved
during the whole morning and I have tried with two different internet
servers
I am algo using netcfg but I find that this distribution does not have the
hability to configurate a PPP interfaz so I am unable to connect.
Any help?
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From P.M.Bingham at Leeds.ac.uk Fri Feb 16 15:13:18 2001
From: P.M.Bingham at Leeds.ac.uk (P M Bingham)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:13:18 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
In-Reply-To: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <NEBBLCLGDEIDHAPKGNMCCEMCCIAA.P.M.Bingham@Leeds.ac.uk>
> Also I'm trying to connect 2 machines together. I've recompiled the
> kernel to include ethernet support, but when I boot up I get the
> message
>
> Bringing up interface eth0 Delaying eth0 initialisation
>
> How do I initialise eth0?
>
The usual cause of that message is that there is no driver loaded for eth0
so that, naturally, it cannot be configured. Check your boot messages and
see if there is a module or compiled in driver that is failing to load. If
so, try and fix the problem. If not, you need to either compile in the
driver or edit conf.modules to alias eth0 to the right driver.
Rather generic advice I'm afraid but I hope it helps.
Peter.
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Feb 16 15:16:04 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:16:04 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
In-Reply-To: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
References: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <01021615160400.07521@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi Tom,
On Friday 16 February 2001 14:53, T.E. Hodson wrote:
> I've got a couple of rather basic questions. I installed RedHat
> 6.2 server-class followed by X and fvwm. I want to get the Control
> Panel to work but when I try to install the rpm I get a message
> saying:
>
> failed dependencies
> libgdk-1.2.so.o
> libgtk-1.2.so.o
>
> I've tried copying these modules to the /lib directory but it still
> doesn't work. What am I supposed to do with them?
This doesn't work unfortunately. When you install RPM's, the
dependancies are checked agains the RPM database. To get round this,
you need to find the RPM that provides these libraries, and install
that RPM first.
(you could also use the arguments --force and --nodeps, to tell rpm to
ignore dependancies, but this is not usually a good thing).
>
> Also I'm trying to connect 2 machines together. I've recompiled the
> kernel to include ethernet support, but when I boot up I get the
> message
>
> Bringing up interface eth0 Delaying eth0 initialisation
>
> How do I initialise eth0?
>
How do you mean you re-compiled with ethernet support?
Did you include the drivers directly or through modules?
If you included them directly, then you need to tell the kernet where
the card is, probaby as a parameter to LILO/GRUB.
If you included them as modules, then you need to configure the
modules, to add the paramteres to modules.conf or conf.modules -
whichever.
To do this I would recomend you use something like linuxconf.
> Thanks a lot for any help.
>
> Tom Hodson
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Fri Feb 16 15:54:54 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:54:54 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Failed dependencies and eth0
In-Reply-To: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>; from rus0teh@ARTS-01.NOVELL.LEEDS.AC.UK on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:53:15PM -0000
References: <3A8D3ED9.28534.202472B@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010216155454.B1058@peach.veggie.com>
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:53:15PM -0000, T.E. Hodson wrote:
>
> I've got a couple of rather basic questions. I installed RedHat
> 6.2 server-class followed by X and fvwm. I want to get the Control
> Panel to work but when I try to install the rpm I get a message
> saying:
>
> failed dependencies
> libgdk-1.2.so.o
> libgtk-1.2.so.o
>
> I've tried copying these modules to the /lib directory but it still
> doesn't work. What am I supposed to do with them?
Try re-installing the rpms for gtk off your CD:
rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/gtk*
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Feb 21 16:17:25 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:17:25 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writer
Message-ID: <01022116172502.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
I'm trying to install a CD Writer into a MDK7.2 system.
I've followed the CD-Writing howto for reconfiguring the kernel to
select in the appropriate stuff.
I then did the usual
make clean
make dep
make
make modules
make bzImage
make modules_install
did the LILO stuff
then rebooted onto the new kernel.
Then ran the following code expecting all to be fine. Unfortunately,
it says that I've still got scsi_mod and sr_mod missing.
Can anyone tell me what I need to (re)do to fix this.
Cheers,
Gary
++++
for i in ide-scsi scsi_mod sg sr_mod loop
do
modprobe $i || grep loop /proc/modules || echo "Module $i missing."
done
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From linux at drivecomputing.co.uk Wed Feb 21 16:22:43 2001
From: linux at drivecomputing.co.uk (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:22:43 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writer
In-Reply-To: <01022116172502.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3A93EB53.29720.D712CC@localhost>
What kind of CD Writer? SCSI/IDE?
-Andy-
On 21 Feb 2001, at 16:17, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to install a CD Writer into a MDK7.2 system.
>
> I've followed the CD-Writing howto for reconfiguring the kernel to
> select in the appropriate stuff.
> I then did the usual
> make clean
> make dep
> make
> make modules
> make bzImage
> make modules_install
> did the LILO stuff
>
> then rebooted onto the new kernel.
>
> Then ran the following code expecting all to be fine. Unfortunately,
> it says that I've still got scsi_mod and sr_mod missing.
>
> Can anyone tell me what I need to (re)do to fix this.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Gary
> ++++
> for i in ide-scsi scsi_mod sg sr_mod loop
> do
> modprobe $i || grep loop /proc/modules || echo "Module $i missing."
> done
> ----
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
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> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Feb 21 16:35:42 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:35:42 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writer
In-Reply-To: <3A93EB53.29720.D712CC@localhost>
References: <3A93EB53.29720.D712CC@localhost>
Message-ID: <01022116354203.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
It's a Philips CDRW800 IDE on /dev/hdc.
It appears on the PC startup screen, and I added the
append="hdc=ide-scsi" in the lilo.conf, but because of these modules, I
don't think that that's the problem.
If I do a cdrecord -scanbus, I get the following output, so part of it
is working (the drive listed is a norman CD reader on /dev/hdd):
[root@eddie /root]# cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg
Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 2.1.39
Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) *
cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities
page.
0,1,0 1) 'E-IDE ' 'CD-ROM 50X ' '42 ' Removable
CD-ROM
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
[root@eddie /root]#
On Wednesday 21 February 2001 4:22 pm, Andrew Johnson wrote:
> What kind of CD Writer? SCSI/IDE?
>
> -Andy-
>
> On 21 Feb 2001, at 16:17, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm trying to install a CD Writer into a MDK7.2 system.
> >
> > I've followed the CD-Writing howto for reconfiguring the kernel to
> > select in the appropriate stuff.
> > I then did the usual
> > make clean
> > make dep
> > make
> > make modules
> > make bzImage
> > make modules_install
> > did the LILO stuff
> >
> > then rebooted onto the new kernel.
> >
> > Then ran the following code expecting all to be fine.
> > Unfortunately, it says that I've still got scsi_mod and sr_mod
> > missing.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what I need to (re)do to fix this.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gary
> > ++++
> > for i in ide-scsi scsi_mod sg sr_mod loop
> > do
> > modprobe $i || grep loop /proc/modules || echo "Module $i
> > missing." done
> > ----
> >
> > --
> > Gary Stainburn
> >
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> > may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> > and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act,
> > 2000
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
> ============================================================
> Andrew Johnson, Technical Consultant
> Drive Computer Services
> Tel +44 (0)1924 280388 Extn 223
> Fax +44 (0)1924 280117
> Mobile +44 (0)7970 284594
> Email : andrew.johnson@drivecomputing.co.uk
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Feb 21 16:54:35 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:54:35 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writer
In-Reply-To: <01022116354203.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <3A93EB53.29720.D712CC@localhost> <01022116354203.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01022116543504.03726@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hmmm,
Having re-read the instructions and checked what I've done, I have
found out why those two modules are missing - compiled them into the
kernel.
Now have the CD-Writer reported by cdrecord -scanbus
lets see what happens next.
On Wednesday 21 February 2001 4:35 pm, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> It's a Philips CDRW800 IDE on /dev/hdc.
>
> It appears on the PC startup screen, and I added the
>
> append="hdc=ide-scsi" in the lilo.conf, but because of these modules,
> I don't think that that's the problem.
>
> If I do a cdrecord -scanbus, I get the following output, so part of
> it is working (the drive listed is a norman CD reader on /dev/hdd):
>
> [root@eddie /root]# cdrecord -scanbus
> Cdrecord 1.9 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg
> Schilling
> Linux sg driver version: 2.1.39
> Using libscg version 'schily-0.1'
> scsibus0:
> 0,0,0 0) *
> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities
> page.
> 0,1,0 1) 'E-IDE ' 'CD-ROM 50X ' '42 ' Removable
> CD-ROM
> 0,2,0 2) *
> 0,3,0 3) *
> 0,4,0 4) *
> 0,5,0 5) *
> 0,6,0 6) *
> 0,7,0 7) *
> [root@eddie /root]#
>
> On Wednesday 21 February 2001 4:22 pm, Andrew Johnson wrote:
> > What kind of CD Writer? SCSI/IDE?
> >
> > -Andy-
> >
> > On 21 Feb 2001, at 16:17, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to install a CD Writer into a MDK7.2 system.
> > >
> > > I've followed the CD-Writing howto for reconfiguring the kernel
> > > to select in the appropriate stuff.
> > > I then did the usual
> > > make clean
> > > make dep
> > > make
> > > make modules
> > > make bzImage
> > > make modules_install
> > > did the LILO stuff
> > >
> > > then rebooted onto the new kernel.
> > >
> > > Then ran the following code expecting all to be fine.
> > > Unfortunately, it says that I've still got scsi_mod and sr_mod
> > > missing.
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me what I need to (re)do to fix this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gary
> > > ++++
> > > for i in ide-scsi scsi_mod sg sr_mod loop
> > > do
> > > modprobe $i || grep loop /proc/modules || echo "Module $i
> > > missing." done
> > > ----
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gary Stainburn
> > >
> > > This email does not contain private or confidential material as
> > > it may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> > > and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers
> > > Act, 2000
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
> >
> > ============================================================
> > Andrew Johnson, Technical Consultant
> > Drive Computer Services
> > Tel +44 (0)1924 280388 Extn 223
> > Fax +44 (0)1924 280117
> > Mobile +44 (0)7970 284594
> > Email : andrew.johnson@drivecomputing.co.uk
> > {
> > The contents of this communication (plus any attachments which may
> > be included along with it) are solely intended for the
> > individual(s) and/or group(s) listed as a recipient above. None of
> > the contents should be relayed in any form to any third party
> > without the prior consent of the author. All opinions expressed are
> > my own and not necessarily those of my employer. }
> >
> >
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From Garry.Robertson at Red-Letter.com Thu Feb 22 09:38:52 2001
From: Garry.Robertson at Red-Letter.com (Garry Robertson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:38:52 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writiing
Message-ID: <51A446565F47D41185400050BA0822E005F869@POSTMASTER>
Gary,
Mandarke comes with CD writer support as standard so there is no need to
faff with kernel compiling.
All you need to do is insert the appropriate lines in lilo.conf and
rc.local.
I have a link on my site for doing just a thing.
http://www.ferrol.uklinux.net/other/burn.html
<Shameless Plug>
Garry Robertson.
~~~~~~~~~~~
> Please refer to the following disclaimer in respect of this message:
> http://www.stivesdirect.com/e-mail-disclaimer.html
>
>
From Garry.Robertson at Red-Letter.com Thu Feb 22 14:52:04 2001
From: Garry.Robertson at Red-Letter.com (Garry Robertson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:52:04 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] CD Writiing
Message-ID: <51A446565F47D41185400050BA0822E005F89A@POSTMASTER>
Thanks will do,
I'm seriously updating this neglected site this weekend.
If you have any comments or tips send them to me and I'll include them with
name. :-)
Garry Robertson.
~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Stainburn [SMTP:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:38 PM
> To: Garry Robertson
> Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] CD Writiing
>
> Hi again Garry
>
> Success.
>
> I can now write audio CD's. I could from the start except for one
> point.
>
> For obvious reasons, I was using a rewriteable CD to do all my testing.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't say anywhere that car CD players can't read
> CD-RW - I used a CD-R and it worked first time.
>
> maybe worth a mention on your web page.
>
> BTW, like the site; nicely laid out.
>
> Gary
>
> On Thursday 22 February 2001 9:38 am, you wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > Mandarke comes with CD writer support as standard so there is no need
> > to faff with kernel compiling.
> > All you need to do is insert the appropriate lines in lilo.conf and
> > rc.local.
> >
> > I have a link on my site for doing just a thing.
> > http://www.ferrol.uklinux.net/other/burn.html
> > <Shameless Plug>
> >
> >
> > Garry Robertson.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > > Please refer to the following disclaimer in respect of this
> > > message: http://www.stivesdirect.com/e-mail-disclaimer.html
> >
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>
> --
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>
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> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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>
From mark at portfoliokm.co.uk Sat Feb 24 12:04:00 2001
From: mark at portfoliokm.co.uk (Mark Owens)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:04:00 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Seagate STT8000A tape device
Message-ID: <3A97A330.5090105@portfoliokm.co.uk>
Hi
I've inherited a Seagate STT8000A tape device. According to Mandrake
7.1's hardware probing, it appears under the Disk section, device =
/dev/hdd, bus type =ATAPI/IDE
I've tried talking to the device with:
mt -f /dev/hdd rewind
but get an Input/output error.
Any ideas what I need to do to get it working?
Cheers
Mark
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Mon Feb 26 11:46:04 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:46:04 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
Message-ID: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
I'm using ssh for remote logins, and have just tried using X forwarding
for the first time. I have this turned on in both ssh_config and
sshd_config on both machines, but as the extract below shows, It's got
a problem. I've had this problem between two machines at work, and
also my home machine connecting to a 3rd machine at work. The machines
are RH6.0 and MDK7.2.
[gary@dcomp2 gary]$ ssh eddie
Last login: Mon Feb 26 11:37:21 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
[gary@eddie gary]$ echo $DISPLAY
eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0
[gary@eddie gary]$ gvim
channel 0: istate 4 != open
channel 0: ostate 64 != open
X connection to eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0 broken (explicit kill or
server shutdown).
[gary@eddie gary]$
--
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Mon Feb 26 12:34:48 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:34:48 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Epson GT-5500 on a Adaptec AVA-1505e
Message-ID: <01022612344803.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
Tonight I'm gonna have a go at configuring my SCSI card and scanner.
This is going to involve using the aha152x module for the scsi card,
and then configuring sane to access it followed by setting up some form
of scanning app.
Does anyone have any help, advice, hints, experience that may help me?
cheers.
--
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From dave at behemoth.plus.com Mon Feb 26 16:04:25 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:04:25 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
Message-ID: <01022616042502.15254@behemoth.desktop.net>
Gary wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using ssh for remote logins,
Which version? Commercial SSH, or OpenSSH? Both of these worked for me
with X forwarding "out of the box" as it were. :-\
> and have just tried using X forwarding for the first time. I have
> this turned on in both ssh_config and sshd_config on both machines,
> but as the extract below shows, It's got a problem. I've had this
> problem between two machines at work, and also my home machine
> connecting to a 3rd machine at work. The machines are RH6.0 and
> MDK7.2.
>
> [gary@dcomp2 gary]$ ssh eddie
> Last login: Mon Feb 26 11:37:21 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
> [gary@eddie gary]$ echo $DISPLAY
> eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0
Just going from what normally happens, shouldn't this be:
eddie.ringways.co.uk:10.0
(unless you have logged in twice, of course.)
What does 'xauth' say? It should say something like:
[gary@eddie gary]$ xauth
Using authority file /tmp/ssh-os45UI5kj/cookies
xauth> list
dcomp2.ringways.co.uk:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <long hex number>
dcomp2.ringways.co.uk/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <long hex number>
(Obviously change the ":10" here to ":11" if needed.)
I can replicate the behaviour observed below...
> [gary@eddie gary]$ gvim
> channel 0: istate 4 != open
> channel 0: ostate 64 != open
> X connection to eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0 broken (explicit kill or
> server shutdown).
> [gary@eddie gary]$
Change the "<num>" part for the actual number observed (snipped for
clarity).
[user@remote_machine user]$ xauth
Using authority file /tmp/ssh-xxxxxxxx/cookies
xauth> list
remote_machine:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
remote_machine/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
xauth> add remote_machine:11 . <num>
xauth> add remote_machine/unix:11 . <num>
xauth> remove remote_machine:10
1 entries removed
xauth> remove remote_machine/unix:10
1 entries removed
xauth> list
remote_machine:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
remote_machine/unix:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
xauth> exit
Writing authority file /tmp/ssh-xxxxxxxx/cookies
[user@remote_machine user]$ gvim &
channel 0: istate 4 != open
channel 0: ostate 64 != open
X connection to remote_machine:10.0 broken (explicit kill or
server shutdown).
Looks familiar. :-) Try fiddling with the xauth settings and see if you
can get it to work: you can then see if you can track down the real
problem. :-)
HTH,
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Mon Feb 26 16:18:36 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:18:36 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <01022616021601.15254@behemoth.desktop.net>
References: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01022616021601.15254@behemoth.desktop.net>
Message-ID: <01022616183604.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Output from xauth:
Last login: Mon Feb 26 16:09:03 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
[gary@eddie gary]$ xauth
xauth: creating new authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
Using authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
xauth> list
xauth> ^d[gary@eddie gary]$
I'm out of my field here having not done much with ssh or X before.
On both systems I'm using openssl/openssh installed from rpm's.
On Monday 26 February 2001 4:02 pm, you wrote:
> You wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm using ssh for remote logins,
>
> Which version? Commercial SSH, or OpenSSH? Both of these worked for
> me with X forwarding "out of the box" as it were. :-\
>
> > and have just tried using X forwarding for the first time. I have
> > this turned on in both ssh_config and sshd_config on both machines,
> > but as the extract below shows, It's got a problem. I've had this
> > problem between two machines at work, and also my home machine
> > connecting to a 3rd machine at work. The machines are RH6.0 and
> > MDK7.2.
> >
> > [gary@dcomp2 gary]$ ssh eddie
> > Last login: Mon Feb 26 11:37:21 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
> > [gary@eddie gary]$ echo $DISPLAY
> > eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0
>
> Just going from what normally happens, shouldn't this be:
>
> eddie.ringways.co.uk:10.0
>
> (unless you have logged in twice, of course.)
>
> What does 'xauth' say? It should say something like:
>
> [gary@eddie gary]$ xauth
> Using authority file /tmp/ssh-os45UI5kj/cookies
> xauth> list
> dcomp2.ringways.co.uk:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <long hex number>
> dcomp2.ringways.co.uk/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <long hex number>
>
> (Obviously change the ":10" here to ":11" if needed.)
>
> I can replicate the behaviour observed below...
>
> > [gary@eddie gary]$ gvim
> > channel 0: istate 4 != open
> > channel 0: ostate 64 != open
> > X connection to eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0 broken (explicit kill or
> > server shutdown).
> > [gary@eddie gary]$
>
> Change the "<num>" part for the actual number observed (snipped for
> clarity).
>
> [user@remote_machine user]$ xauth
> Using authority file /tmp/ssh-xxxxxxxx/cookies
> xauth> list
> remote_machine:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
> remote_machine/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
>
> xauth> add remote_machine:11 . <num>
> xauth> add remote_machine/unix:11 . <num>
>
> xauth> remove remote_machine:10
> 1 entries removed
> xauth> remove remote_machine/unix:10
> 1 entries removed
>
> xauth> list
> remote_machine:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
> remote_machine/unix:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <num>
>
> xauth> exit
> Writing authority file /tmp/ssh-xxxxxxxx/cookies
>
> [user@remote_machine user]$ gvim &
> channel 0: istate 4 != open
> channel 0: ostate 64 != open
> X connection to remote_machine:10.0 broken (explicit kill or
> server shutdown).
>
> Looks familiar. :-) Try fiddling with the xauth settings and see if
> you can get it to work: you can then see if you can track down the
> real problem. :-)
>
> HTH,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave. :-)
--
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may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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From dave at behemoth.plus.com Mon Feb 26 16:50:36 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:50:36 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <01022616183604.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01022616021601.15254@behemoth.desktop.net> <01022616183604.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01022616503600.15409@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> Output from xauth:
>
> Last login: Mon Feb 26 16:09:03 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
> [gary@eddie gary]$ xauth
> xauth: creating new authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
> Using authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
> xauth> list
> xauth> ^d[gary@eddie gary]$
Hmm, it looks like ssh isn't creating a temporary .Xauthority file
(which it is supposed to do to enable X forwarding). To confirm - when
you type "list" at the xauth prompt, _nothing_ is produced? If this is
the case, then that is the problem, but I have no idea why it would
happen. :-| I'll have a think - any details you could post back that
you think my help would be useful (e.g. the *exact* RPM file names, and
the version numbers from doing "ssh -V").
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Mon Feb 26 17:20:10 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:20:10 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <01022616503600.15409@behemoth.desktop.net>
References: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01022616183604.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01022616503600.15409@behemoth.desktop.net>
Message-ID: <01022617201005.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
I can confirm that when I did a 'list', I got nothing back.
In this example I'm connecting from RH6.2 with
openssh-2.1.1p2-1
openssh-clients-2.1.1p2-1
openssh-askpass-2.1.1p2-1
openssh-server-2.1.1p2-1
openssl-0.9.5a-1
openssl-devel-0.9.5a-1
to Mandrake 7.2 with
openssl-0.9.5a-8mdk
openssh-2.2.0p1-7mdk
openssh-askpass-gnome-2.2.0p1-7mdk
openssh-askpass-2.2.0p1-7mdk
openssh-clients-2.2.0p1-7mdk
openssl-devel-0.9.5a-8mdk
openssh-server-2.2.0p1-7mdk
On Monday 26 February 2001 4:50 pm, you wrote:
> You wrote:
> > Output from xauth:
> >
> > Last login: Mon Feb 26 16:09:03 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
> > [gary@eddie gary]$ xauth
> > xauth: creating new authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
> > Using authority file /home/gary/.Xauthority
> > xauth> list
> > xauth> ^d[gary@eddie gary]$
>
> Hmm, it looks like ssh isn't creating a temporary .Xauthority file
> (which it is supposed to do to enable X forwarding). To confirm -
> when you type "list" at the xauth prompt, _nothing_ is produced? If
> this is the case, then that is the problem, but I have no idea why it
> would happen. :-| I'll have a think - any details you could post back
> that you think my help would be useful (e.g. the *exact* RPM file
> names, and the version numbers from doing "ssh -V").
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave. :-)
>
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Mon Feb 26 17:25:17 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:25:17 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>; from gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:46:04AM +0000
References: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010226172517.A990@peach.veggie.com>
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:46:04AM +0000, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using ssh for remote logins, and have just tried using X forwarding
> for the first time. I have this turned on in both ssh_config and
> sshd_config on both machines, but as the extract below shows, It's got
> a problem. I've had this problem between two machines at work, and
> also my home machine connecting to a 3rd machine at work. The machines
> are RH6.0 and MDK7.2.
>
> [gary@dcomp2 gary]$ ssh eddie
> Last login: Mon Feb 26 11:37:21 2001 from dcomp2.ringways.co.uk
> [gary@eddie gary]$ echo $DISPLAY
> eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0
> [gary@eddie gary]$ gvim
> channel 0: istate 4 != open
> channel 0: ostate 64 != open
> X connection to eddie.ringways.co.uk:11.0 broken (explicit kill or
> server shutdown).
> [gary@eddie gary]$
How I do it from my workstation (peach), running X, to my other machine:
[frank@peach frank]$ ssh -c blowfish -n frank@banana.veggie.com \
/usr/X11R6/bin/gvim -display peach:0.0 &
(all one line)
Then the application appears on my workstation whilst actually running
on the remote machine - banana. Which is what I think you're after.
You need to set the display explicitly to that of the machine you're
logging in from. At the moment it's trying to use the X server on
eddie (which probably isn't running) which is why you're having a
problem. Not too sure why it's giving you 11.0 as I can't remember
what the numbers mean ATM, although the X manpage tells you what the
score is.
You'll have to do an echo $DISPLAY on dcomp2 to find out what argument
to give it, it should be something like dcomp2:0.0 though.
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Mon Feb 26 17:35:21 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:35:21 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: Message from Gary Stainburn <gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk>
of "Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:20:10 GMT." <01022617201005.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E14XRYP-0002XF-00@rioja.localnet>
Gary,
First your openssh versions are seriously outdated - don't use anything
older than 2.3.0p1 (security problems). Current version is 2.5.1p1
RH have done something really nasty to openssl - I think they have
built it with all the algorithms which might have patent issues locked
out. However they have succeeded in build a library which has really
nasty effects (things crash randomly) unless (and sometimes even if)
you compile your packages against that specific version of the library
(ie their specific broken form). I think if you just stick to the
openssl rpm from the latest errata and make sure things are compiled
against that you are OK - personally I rebuild that rpm from a sane
source.
Best thing is to get the SRPM for openssh - see
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/rpm/
and rebuild it on your box.
Nigel.
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Mon Feb 26 18:02:47 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:02:47 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: Message from "Frank Shute" <shute@esperance.demon.co.uk>
of "Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:25:17 GMT." <20010226172517.A990@peach.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <E14XRyx-0002c7-00@rioja.localnet>
shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> How I do it from my workstation (peach), running X, to my other
> machine:
> [frank@peach frank]$ ssh -c blowfish -n frank@banana.veggie.com \ /usr/
> X11R6/bin/gvim -display peach:0.0 &
> (all one line)
> Then the application appears on my workstation whilst actually running
> on the remote machine - banana. Which is what I think you're after.
Oh wow - so you are using host based authentication on X, probably with
your host list set wide open... anyone on the network can sniff your
display, take over the complete display, do anything they like on your
box, almost certainly including a complete takeover if you ever run a
root shell within X - a complete hackers dream.
You *really* *really* do not want to do that - in fact if I found
people at work were doing that I would be considering it a sacking
offence.
Fortunately many distros have made it much harder for you to do this in
recent times, and I guess you may find you can only do this iff you
have a NFS shared home directory.
Anyhow, fast X security audit:-
1. Issue an xhost command:-
% xhost
access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
If you see any response other than that you *need* to sort things
to use other means of getting to your display.
I use an xdm login, which sets access control right (unless you
go and break it manually). If you use startx etc there are ways
of doing this right.
Back to the main subject.
Running X directly over the network is always insecure - even if you
use cookie based authentication. Each set of data going over the
network includes the cookie data in clear, and can be sniffed with
anyone having access to the network link, after which your desktop is
toast.
You can tunnel X sessions through ssh, and this is the *only* way I
know of having remote X securely (there are some variants like putting
it down a compressing tunnel - but thats only secure if you secure the
tunnel, which is best done using ssh, and I would not geenrally trust a
network level security solution like ipsec for this).
If you put X sessions down ssh then the only people who could break
them are people with root access on one of the 2 endpoint boxes.
So for example, on my own box (b1.local):-
b1% xauth list
rioja.localnet/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 16dc8879e6574511d8146e46c028
a0ed
rioja.localnet:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 16dc8879e6574511d8146e46c028a0ed
b1% echo $DISPLAY
:0
b1% ssh -v b2.local # NB I use ssh protocol v2 - most people still
use v1
OpenSSH_2.5.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090581f
debug: Reading configuration data /home/nigel/.ssh/config
... lots of skipped output
debug: Entering interactive session.
debug: client_init id 0 arg 0
debug: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug: Requesting authentication agent forwarding.
debug: channel request 0: shell
debug: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384
Last login: Mon Feb 26 17:51:40 2001 from b1.local
b2% xauth list
b2.local:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 38740a5bd15f6a4a37b62c7d15f7b1a2
b2.local/unix:11 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 38740a5bd15f6a4a37b62c7d15f7b1a2
b2% echo $DISPLAY
b2.local:11.0
b2% xeyes
... some extra debug output, window appears etc
The common problems for it not working are that the remote machine
either cannot map its own name to an address (suprisingly common), or
it maps it to 127.0.0.1 (which won't work due to brokenness in the X
protocol which takes shortcuts in that case).
Make sure you have your real ip address in t hosts file against the
name returned by hostname
Nigel.
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From martin at jamaro.org.uk Mon Feb 26 19:25:39 2001
From: martin at jamaro.org.uk (Martin Rowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Epson GT-5500 on a Adaptec AVA-1505e
In-Reply-To: <01022612344803.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <01022612344803.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0102261925390C.32555@jamaro>
On Monday 26 February 2001 12:34, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Tonight I'm gonna have a go at configuring my SCSI card and scanner.
>
> This is going to involve using the aha152x module for the scsi card,
> and then configuring sane to access it followed by setting up some form
> of scanning app.
>
> Does anyone have any help, advice, hints, experience that may help me?
>
> cheers.
Hi Gary
I don't know about your specific card - I have an Adaptec 2902E (came
bundled with my scanner) that uses the aix7xxx driver without a hitch. My
scanner is similar though - a GT7000 photo. Both Epson models are
supported through Sane[1] and you should get excellent results from the
XSane[2] front-end. It offers more control & features than the bundled
twain drivers that came with the scanner. It even supports my
transparency adapter :-).
My setup has the scanner as SCSI id 0,2,0 and I've the device set up as
crw-rw---- 1 root mrowe 21, 0 Aug 27 2000 /dev/sg0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Oct 2 19:48 /dev/scanner ->
/dev/sg0
I'm sure I *should* be able to use groups to give myself access to the
device, but it's a standalone box so I've not bothered once it worked ;-)
In my case I've compiled support into the kernel, but I don't remember
having to do anything special when using the aic7xxx modules under
Mandrake (5.3 to 7.0). ISTR earlier versions of Sane/XSane needed to find
the scanner at /dev/scanner, but I don't know if that's still a
requirement - just haven't altered my setup. Feel free to email direct if
you want more details.
Regards, Martin
[1]http://www.mostang.com/sane/
[2]http://www.xsane.org
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From martin at jamaro.org.uk Mon Feb 26 20:00:50 2001
From: martin at jamaro.org.uk (Martin Rowe)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Gimp .png problem in Netscape
Message-ID: <0102262000500D.32555@jamaro>
Hi all
Netscape 4.7 has decided it doesn't like my .png's anymore and I'm at a
loss to explain why. I created some screen shots of my AS/400 software
last year using The Gimp vsn 1.0 and these still work fine. I did some
more at the weekend and these don't show correctly. All the black
background (in a 5250 terminal emulation) shows as white - which doesn't
do much for the white text on there !
Have a look at http://www.dbg400.fsnet.co.uk/pngtest.html (25K) for a
pair of screen shots as old & new. The recent images look fine in the
Gimp, and the page looks correct in every other browser I've tried -
Opera 5.0b6, Konqueror, Mozilla, Galeon, Netscape 6 and StarOffice 5.2 in
Linux, and Netscape 6 & IE 5.5 in Windows. I didn't realise there was a
problem at first, as I've been using Opera almost exclusively for the
last week - it doesn't disappear up its own backside every 15 minutes and
take 150Mb of Ram with it ;-)
I can't see any obvious difference in the way Gimp saves the file, but I
presume it's .png specific, as a .jpg version displays correctly (but is
bigger, and doesn't look as nice). Has anyone any ideas?
Regards, Martin
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From dave at behemoth.plus.com Mon Feb 26 23:28:35 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:28:35 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <01022617201005.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <01022611460402.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk> <01022616503600.15409@behemoth.desktop.net> <01022617201005.15434@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01022623283500.15713@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> I can confirm that when I did a 'list', I got nothing back.
Then this is why you can't open any X applications and have the visual
sent back to your local machine. The applications running on the server
do not have permission to connect to your local X server (well,
something like that). When you type 'list' (for an ssh session) you
should be getting something like:
xauth> list
host.localnet:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <32 letter hex digit>
host.localnet/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 <32 letter hex digit>
What the problem is, I'm not sure, but...
> In this example I'm connecting from RH6.2 with
> openssh-2.1.1p2-1
> openssh-clients-2.1.1p2-1
> openssh-askpass-2.1.1p2-1
> openssh-server-2.1.1p2-1
> openssl-0.9.5a-1
> openssl-devel-0.9.5a-1
>
> to Mandrake 7.2 with
> openssl-0.9.5a-8mdk
> openssh-2.2.0p1-7mdk
> openssh-askpass-gnome-2.2.0p1-7mdk
> openssh-askpass-2.2.0p1-7mdk
> openssh-clients-2.2.0p1-7mdk
> openssl-devel-0.9.5a-8mdk
> openssh-server-2.2.0p1-7mdk
Upgrade both boxes to at least OpenSSH 2.3.0p1 (and all the ancilliary
RPMs), then repost. It could be bugs in the version you are using. Once
you have the new versions, and if the problem persists, then feel free
to post back. :-)
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Tue Feb 27 03:34:04 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:34:04 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <E14XRyx-0002c7-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@InTechnology.co.uk on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:02:47PM +0000
References: <shute@esperance.demon.co.uk> <E14XRyx-0002c7-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <20010227033404.A1446@peach.veggie.com>
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 06:02:47PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
>
> shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> > How I do it from my workstation (peach), running X, to my other
> > machine:
>
> > [frank@peach frank]$ ssh -c blowfish -n frank@banana.veggie.com \ /usr/
> > X11R6/bin/gvim -display peach:0.0 &
>
> > (all one line)
>
> > Then the application appears on my workstation whilst actually running
> > on the remote machine - banana. Which is what I think you're after.
I suppose I shouldn't post before I've actually tested! The above
command gives me a warning and then permission denied.
Looking at the ssh manpage:
If the user is using X11 (the DISPLAY environment variable
is set), the connection to the X11 display is automati<AD>
cally forwarded to the remote side in such a way that any
X11 programs started from the shell (or command) will go
through the encrypted channel, and the connection to the
real X server will be made from the local machine. The
user should not manually set DISPLAY. Forwarding of X11
connections can be configured on the command line or in
configuration files.
Which is why it's quite rightly denying me permission.
What I actually do is have a script on the remote machine to launch
the X apps I want to see on my local machine (xbiff & yawmppp), so I
launch it from my local machine with:
[frank@peach frank]$ ssh -c blowfish -n frank@banana.veggie.com \
/usr/local/bin/peachx
This starts the programs running on the remote machine for display on
my local machine with ssh setting the right DISPLAY variable.
>
> Oh wow - so you are using host based authentication on X, probably with
> your host list set wide open... anyone on the network can sniff your
> display, take over the complete display, do anything they like on your
> box, almost certainly including a complete takeover if you ever run a
> root shell within X - a complete hackers dream.
Wrong. I am using hosts authentication but my .xinitrc contains
amongst other things:
xhost +banana.veggie.com
Also reading the manpage for X:
Normally, the list of hosts from which connec<AD>
tions are always accepted should be empty, so that only
clients with are explicitly authorized can connect to the
display. When you add entries to the host list (with
xhost), the server no longer performs any authorization on
connections from those machines. Be careful with this.
Contrary to your assertion, not anyone on my network can sniff my
display as they either have to be sitting at banana (which is unlikely
as it is a headless box which only accepts connections via ssh) or
they have to be sitting at peach (and they can't because I'm sitting
here ;) or they have to plug a machine into my hub which is about 2 ft
away. I'm also firewalled off so somebody from outside would have to
crack my firewall first before having a go at getting hold of my
display. I'm not bothered about that, once they're inside your
firewall you've had it, they'll sniff everything and your network is
doomed. Worrying about whether you've used xhost or xauth in those
circumstances is akin to fiddling whilst watching a large Italian city
burn.
> You *really* *really* do not want to do that - in fact if I found
> people at work were doing that I would be considering it a sacking
> offence.
I *really *really* do want to do that, you may be on an insecure
network with a bunch of potential crackers as users and keen to fire
people, but I'm not.
I'm on a secure network with trusted users and nor is my hosts list
`wide open' as you speculated wildly and FWIW all my remote xapps run
over an encrypted channel.
Before you start speculating on another persons employability in a
public forum you should ascertain first what the precise circumstances
are. I understand that I misled you but merely hazharding wildly
inaccurate guesses and then trying to extrapolate a persons supposed
suitability for employment is proposterous. You have done little short
of actually libelling me. I think an apology is called for.
<snip>
>
> Fortunately many distros have made it much harder for you to do this in
> recent times, and I guess you may find you can only do this iff you
> have a NFS shared home directory.
No distros that I'm aware of leave X `wide open' on the contrary it's
fully shut to those not on the local machine as evidenced by the above
extract from the X manpage. You can run remote X apps without NFS if
you allow host authentication in the full knowledge that it's not a
good idea on an untrusted network - which X isn't either for that
matter.
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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk Tue Feb 27 09:30:50 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: Message from "Frank Shute" <shute@esperance.demon.co.uk>
of "Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:34:04 GMT." <20010227033404.A1446@peach.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <E14XgT4-0001XK-00@rioja.localnet>
shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> Contrary to your assertion, not anyone on my network can sniff my
> display as they either have to be sitting at banana (which is unlikely
> as it is a headless box which only accepts connections via ssh) or
> they have to be sitting at peach (and they can't because I'm sitting
> here ;) or they have to plug a machine into my hub which is about 2 ft
> away.
I say anyone on your network can sniff your display. You say theres no
one on your network other than you. We are both right, but my
assertion is valid for all networks, yours is valid only for your
network at this time while you can see all the wiring and have faith in
your firewall.
X hosts based access control is fatally flawed, and it would take half
a dozen appropriately spoofed packets to at least take over your X
server, and if there is a root shell logged in then your whole machine
is owned by the attacker.
shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> Worrying about whether you've used xhost or xauth in those
> circumstances is akin to fiddling whilst watching a large Italian city
> burn.
Thats a fatal misconception about firewalls. They are not magic, they
are part of a multi-layered security approach. Part of this should be
that you do not trust the network - you don't leak vital information
onto it unprotected, and you do not take unverified data from it. If
someone has broken your firewall, then you have lost one layer of
security. If you have no other layers of security then you are dead,
but thats a fault in design. I might have a set of firewalls in place,
however I treat each machine as though it had no other protection and
make the machine secure. You can *never* be sufficiently paranoid.
shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> FWIW all my remote xapps run over an encrypted channel.
But your post demonstrated you did not know how to use the encrypted
channels.
Nigel.
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From Paul Cocker" <pauldavidcocker at yahoo.com Tue Feb 27 23:05:46 2001
From: Paul Cocker" <pauldavidcocker at yahoo.com (Paul Cocker)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:05:46 -0800
Subject: [Wylug-help] Lilo
References: <006601c09134$756edaa0$6ba0fea9@mesh>
Message-ID: <000a01c0a112$36ef2760$0200a8c0@hotdamn>
Hi. Hope someone could just confirm something for me. I use lilo to boot my
system, linux and win98. I'm deleting linux to accomadate some changes
(don't worry, I'm not going back to the dark side). If I delete the partion
linux is on am I right in think lilo will still be there and I'll be able to
boot into win98.
Thanks
Paul
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Feb 27 16:10:40 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:10:40 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Lilo
In-Reply-To: <000a01c0a112$36ef2760$0200a8c0@hotdamn>
References: <006601c09134$756edaa0$6ba0fea9@mesh> <000a01c0a112$36ef2760$0200a8c0@hotdamn>
Message-ID: <01022716104000.17114@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi Paul,
I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that Lilo would stop working and you
would only get the infamous 'Li' prompt followed by a hanging system.
What I would suggest is that once you've finished with your current
Linux setup, boot up into Win98, go to a DOS prompt and then type
fdisk /mbr
This will remove LILO from your system and boot straight into Windows.
Then, when you re-install Linux at a later date, you can re-install
Lilo.
Be warned however, the DOS fdisk can have problems deleting Linux
partitions. It may be a good idea to delete the linux partitions using
the Linux fdisk before you reboot into Windows. Linux will continue to
work until you reboot, although this won't actually matter anyway as
you will be doing away with it.
On Tuesday 27 February 2001 11:05 pm, Paul Cocker wrote:
> Hi. Hope someone could just confirm something for me. I use lilo to
> boot my system, linux and win98. I'm deleting linux to accomadate
> some changes (don't worry, I'm not going back to the dark side). If I
> delete the partion linux is on am I right in think lilo will still be
> there and I'll be able to boot into win98.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>
>
>
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From Paul Cocker" <pauldavidcocker at yahoo.com Wed Feb 28 02:10:58 2001
From: Paul Cocker" <pauldavidcocker at yahoo.com (Paul Cocker)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:10:58 -0800
Subject: [Wylug-help] Lilo
References: <006601c09134$756edaa0$6ba0fea9@mesh> <000a01c0a112$36ef2760$0200a8c0@hotdamn> <01022716104000.17114@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000901c0a12b$b1d0f120$0200a8c0@hotdamn>
Thanks Gary, much appreciated. Glad I didn't go by the seat of my pants and
just delete it to find out what would happen ;-)
thanks again.
Paul
> Hi Paul,
>
> I may be wrong, but I'm guessing that Lilo would stop working and you
> would only get the infamous 'Li' prompt followed by a hanging system.
>
> What I would suggest is that once you've finished with your current
> Linux setup, boot up into Win98, go to a DOS prompt and then type
>
> fdisk /mbr
>
> This will remove LILO from your system and boot straight into Windows.
>
> Then, when you re-install Linux at a later date, you can re-install
> Lilo.
>
> Be warned however, the DOS fdisk can have problems deleting Linux
> partitions. It may be a good idea to delete the linux partitions using
> the Linux fdisk before you reboot into Windows. Linux will continue to
> work until you reboot, although this won't actually matter anyway as
> you will be doing away with it.
>
> On Tuesday 27 February 2001 11:05 pm, Paul Cocker wrote:
> > Hi. Hope someone could just confirm something for me. I use lilo to
> > boot my system, linux and win98. I'm deleting linux to accomadate
> > some changes (don't worry, I'm not going back to the dark side). If I
> > delete the partion linux is on am I right in think lilo will still be
> > there and I'll be able to boot into win98.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wylug-help mailing list
> > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
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> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
>
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Tue Feb 27 18:25:28 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <E14XgT4-0001XK-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@InTechnology.co.uk on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:30:50AM +0000
References: <shute@esperance.demon.co.uk> <E14XgT4-0001XK-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <20010227182528.A1201@peach.veggie.com>
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:30:50AM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
>
> shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
BTW, my name is Frank.
> > Contrary to your assertion, not anyone on my network can sniff my
> > display as they either have to be sitting at banana (which is unlikely
> > as it is a headless box which only accepts connections via ssh) or
> > they have to be sitting at peach (and they can't because I'm sitting
> > here ;) or they have to plug a machine into my hub which is about 2 ft
> > away.
>
> I say anyone on your network can sniff your display. You say theres no
> one on your network other than you. We are both right, but my
> assertion is valid for all networks, yours is valid only for your
> network at this time while you can see all the wiring and have faith in
> your firewall.
Your assertion is not valid for all networks - it's not even valid for
mine, so in a remarkable feat of logic you say that you are `right'.
For the record, you're not.
> X hosts based access control is fatally flawed, and it would take half
> a dozen appropriately spoofed packets to at least take over your X
> server, and if there is a root shell logged in then your whole machine
> is owned by the attacker.
X hosts is not `fatally flawed' on a secure network, which is why it's
there.
You originally posted saying that my xhosts was probably `wide open'.
You then went on to surmise that anybody could spoof my Xserver and
gain root and you then extrapolated that I wasn't fit to be employed.
I detailed in my last post why none of these assertions were true and
why you should therefore apologise. Yet you failed to do so.
Lets get this quite clear, you have seriously libelled me in a public
forum. It's a grievous libel in the fact that my substantive business
is Linux.
Perhaps while you're about it, since we all know that Gbdirect runs X
over their network unencrypted, you'd like to speculate on the
possibilities of a packet sniffer being run there and root being
cracked. Perhaps then you'd like to further indulge in some idle
speculation on the possibility that Mike Banahan should then sack
himself for being, by your logic, not fit to be employed? I'm sure
Mike would be about as impressed with you as I am - not very. I'm sure
you're only too well aware that if you fling enough mud then some of
it sticks regardless of how ill-founded and ill-conceived any
allegations maybe.
For that matter, how about laying into everybody who runs X terminals
for what you'd describe as their woeful security policy?
Or perhaps instead you'd prefer not to indulge in idle speculation on
the security procedures on other people's networks without being fully
conversant with a few facts *whatsoever* about their setup and their
user profile. Top tip: That way you save on expensive lawsuits.
Please have the good grace to apologise or I will have to take the
matter further.
>
> shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> > Worrying about whether you've used xhost or xauth in those
> > circumstances is akin to fiddling whilst watching a large Italian city
> > burn.
>
> Thats a fatal misconception about firewalls. They are not magic, they
> are part of a multi-layered security approach. Part of this should be
> that you do not trust the network - you don't leak vital information
> onto it unprotected, and you do not take unverified data from it. If
> someone has broken your firewall, then you have lost one layer of
> security. If you have no other layers of security then you are dead,
> but thats a fault in design. I might have a set of firewalls in place,
> however I treat each machine as though it had no other protection and
> make the machine secure. You can *never* be sufficiently paranoid.
Contrary to your suggestion I don't have any misconceptions about any
magical or mystical properties of firewalls.
Security is a matter of circumstance. You might have a network
populated by one or more potential crackers, I don't, so I can run X
using Xhosts secure in the knowledge that contrary to your uninformed
guess, people on my network can't spoof my workstation for the simple
reason that there is nobody else on my network.
If somebody cracks my firewall then the first thing they'll do is
plant trojans and packet sniffers and grab /etc/passwd, fairly low
down on their `to do' list will be spoofing X.
Once they've compromised my firewall then I have to rebuild my
machines, but I'm secure in the knowledge that all my sensitive data
is protected with PGP. Yes, I have a layered security approach but one
of the layers doesn't consist of xauth since it does little more than
give the user a false sense of security by the suggestion, which you
seem to have swallowed whole, that X can somehow be made secure by
running xauth, and that therefore if the Barbarians should get in then
you've stopped them at the gate. You haven't, they'll walk around it.
Your ludicrous statement that `you can *never* be sufficiently
paranoid' deserves to be treated with contempt. If that was the case
then you should not be running X period and for that matter you
shouldn't have the machines networked - and chuck the computers into
the skip for good measure to make sure that nobody can crack them.
Unfortunately, some of us live in the real world and this isn't an
option.
> shute@esperance.demon.co.uk said:
> > FWIW all my remote xapps run over an encrypted channel.
>
> But your post demonstrated you did not know how to use the encrypted
> channels.
My post demonstrated that I made a mistake. Your post on the other
hand demonstrated that you are prepared to indulge in idle, willful
and pejorative speculation about the competencies of others without
being conversant with any necessary facts about their particular
setup. You are then willing to compound the offense by suggesting that
you are somehow right when your speculation has proved to be totally
ill-conceived and unfounded with more than just a little of malice
aforethought.
--
Frank Shute
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From Nigel.Metheringham at pobox.com Tue Feb 27 22:26:56 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at pobox.com (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:26:56 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010227182528.A1201@peach.veggie.com>
References: <E14XgT4-0001XK-00@rioja.localnet>
<shute@esperance.demon.co.uk>
<E14XgT4-0001XK-00@rioja.localnet>
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At 18:25 27/02/01 +0000, Frank Shute wrote:
... lots, but nothing I'm going to specifically answer...
1. If you wish to get into a pissing match or wave around
some lawyers, then feel free. I have better things to do.
2. Its you that has decided that this is a good shop window
for your business.
3. I would normally be blocking this sort of flame war on the
list. Thats tricky ethically at present since I can't
really both take part and block it. However this is
now very off-topic for the list. I will not post further
on this to the list, although I could say much more
on a technical basis.
Regards
Nigel.
[On a home box - hence the change of address]
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 28 04:10:09 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:10:09 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
Message-ID: <20010228041009.A32455@banana.veggie.com>
On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 10:26:56PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
>
> At 18:25 27/02/01 +0000, Frank Shute wrote:
>
> ... lots, but nothing I'm going to specifically answer...
Because you're a weasel & a coward, you start something but aren't
prepared to finish it. I am.
>
> 1. If you wish to get into a pissing match or wave around
> some lawyers, then feel free. I have better things to do.
That's unlikely. FYI, I tend to settle matters personally with you
which I'll do when I see you next.
> 2. Its you that has decided that this is a good shop window
> for your business.
I haven't decided it's a shop window for my business but you've
decided it's a shop window to denigrate somebody on a bunch of
half-baked assumptions.
>
> 3. I would normally be blocking this sort of flame war on the
> list. Thats tricky ethically at present since I can't
> really both take part and block it. However this is
> now very off-topic for the list. I will not post further
> on this to the list, although I could say much more
> on a technical basis.
Well that's very gracious of you not to censor a flame war in which
you're getting toasted - although I suspect the yellow streak in you
will eventually prevail if things go much more downhill for you. How
you can use the word `ethically' without feeling like a hypocritical
arsehole, I don't know, or perhaps you've just got inured to it.
The only thing you're right about is that it is off-topic so I wont
post any further on this matter either.
If you can say anything further on a technical basis then do - that's
very much on topic. I suspect though that your `technical' arguments
are a lot of worthless bullshit as has already been evidenced by your
previous postings and you're unprepared to have them exposed as such.
It's that cowardice thing again.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel.
Get fscked,
Frank
>
> [On a home box - hence the change of address]
Prefers the comfort of his Windows box with it's broken mailer or
too much of a bloody coward to post from his work address, the
nation decides!
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From mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 08:46:03 2001
From: mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Mark P. Conmy)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:46:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010228041009.A32455@banana.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102280844190.28564-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>
I don't think this display of dummy spitting is helping anyone.
If necessary, take it to private email.
THIS MAILING LIST IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FORUM.
Just my opinion (though I suspect I'm not the only one thinking it),
Mark
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 10:26:56PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> >
> > At 18:25 27/02/01 +0000, Frank Shute wrote:
> >
> > ... lots, but nothing I'm going to specifically answer...
>
> Because you're a weasel & a coward, you start something but aren't
> prepared to finish it. I am.
>
> >
> > 1. If you wish to get into a pissing match or wave around
> > some lawyers, then feel free. I have better things to do.
>
> That's unlikely. FYI, I tend to settle matters personally with you
> which I'll do when I see you next.
>
> > 2. Its you that has decided that this is a good shop window
> > for your business.
>
> I haven't decided it's a shop window for my business but you've
> decided it's a shop window to denigrate somebody on a bunch of
> half-baked assumptions.
>
> >
> > 3. I would normally be blocking this sort of flame war on the
> > list. Thats tricky ethically at present since I can't
> > really both take part and block it. However this is
> > now very off-topic for the list. I will not post further
> > on this to the list, although I could say much more
> > on a technical basis.
>
> Well that's very gracious of you not to censor a flame war in which
> you're getting toasted - although I suspect the yellow streak in you
> will eventually prevail if things go much more downhill for you. How
> you can use the word `ethically' without feeling like a hypocritical
> arsehole, I don't know, or perhaps you've just got inured to it.
>
> The only thing you're right about is that it is off-topic so I wont
> post any further on this matter either.
>
> If you can say anything further on a technical basis then do - that's
> very much on topic. I suspect though that your `technical' arguments
> are a lot of worthless bullshit as has already been evidenced by your
> previous postings and you're unprepared to have them exposed as such.
> It's that cowardice thing again.
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Nigel.
>
> Get fscked,
>
> Frank
>
> >
> > [On a home box - hence the change of address]
>
> Prefers the comfort of his Windows box with it's broken mailer or
> too much of a bloody coward to post from his work address, the
> nation decides!
>
>
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 28 14:12:47 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:12:47 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102280844190.28564-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>; from mpc@comp.leeds.ac.uk on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:46:03AM +0000
References: <20010228041009.A32455@banana.veggie.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102280844190.28564-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010228141247.A877@peach.veggie.com>
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:46:03AM +0000, Mark P. Conmy wrote:
>
>
> I don't think this display of dummy spitting is helping anyone.
>
> If necessary, take it to private email.
>
> THIS MAILING LIST IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FORUM.
>
> Just my opinion (though I suspect I'm not the only one thinking it),
>
> Mark
With all due respect Mark, I have to disagree with you, it is very
much an appropriate forum. If somebody takes you to task in a public
forum and suggests that you're not employable then you should have the
right to respond in that very same forum and indicate why the poster
was wrong in his opinions and why he shouldn't have said such a thing.
Now I know that it's probably tedious and boring for most of the
readers of this list but IMO it's a necessary evil and taking it to
email is an insidious restriction on arguments which *should* lie in
the public domain.
If somebody disparaged you in a public forum would you be happy if you
didn't have a right to reply in the very same forum? I suggest you
would not.
--
Frank
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From linux at drivecomputing.co.uk Wed Feb 28 15:17:04 2001
From: linux at drivecomputing.co.uk (Andrew Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:17:04 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010228141247.A877@peach.veggie.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102280844190.28564-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>; from mpc@comp.leeds.ac.uk on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:46:03AM +0000
Message-ID: <3A9D1670.14123.BB260@localhost>
Fine, everybody has the right to reply, but...
1) This is a Linux help forum and the argument is neither related to
help or Linux.
2) I object to my bandwidth and time reading being wasted on such
stupid and childish arguents.
Either create a wylug-flame list, take it somewhere else or I for one
will un-subscribe to the help list..
-Andy-
On 28 Feb 2001, at 14:12, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:46:03AM +0000, Mark P. Conmy wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't think this display of dummy spitting is helping anyone.
> >
> > If necessary, take it to private email.
> >
> > THIS MAILING LIST IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FORUM.
> >
> > Just my opinion (though I suspect I'm not the only one thinking it),
> >
> > Mark
>
> With all due respect Mark, I have to disagree with you, it is very
> much an appropriate forum. If somebody takes you to task in a public
> forum and suggests that you're not employable then you should have the
> right to respond in that very same forum and indicate why the poster
> was wrong in his opinions and why he shouldn't have said such a thing.
>
> Now I know that it's probably tedious and boring for most of the
> readers of this list but IMO it's a necessary evil and taking it to
> email is an insidious restriction on arguments which *should* lie in
> the public domain.
>
> If somebody disparaged you in a public forum would you be happy if you
> didn't have a right to reply in the very same forum? I suggest you
> would not.
>
> --
>
> Frank
>
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From mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 16:10:43 2001
From: mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Mark P. Conmy)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:10:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010228141247.A877@peach.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102281609590.1953-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:46:03AM +0000, Mark P. Conmy wrote:
> >
> >
> > I don't think this display of dummy spitting is helping anyone.
> >
> > If necessary, take it to private email.
> >
> > THIS MAILING LIST IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE FORUM.
> >
> > Just my opinion (though I suspect I'm not the only one thinking it),
> >
> > Mark
>
> With all due respect Mark, I have to disagree with you, it is very
> much an appropriate forum. If somebody takes you to task in a public
> forum and suggests that you're not employable then you should have the
> right to respond in that very same forum and indicate why the poster
> was wrong in his opinions and why he shouldn't have said such a thing.
>
> Now I know that it's probably tedious and boring for most of the
> readers of this list but IMO it's a necessary evil and taking it to
> email is an insidious restriction on arguments which *should* lie in
> the public domain.
>
> If somebody disparaged you in a public forum would you be happy if you
> didn't have a right to reply in the very same forum? I suggest you
> would not.
You HAVE replied.
Sod it - take me off the mailing lists. I get too much email anyway.
Mark
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 28 19:30:18 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:30:18 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <3A9D1670.14123.BB260@localhost>; from linux@drivecomputing.co.uk on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 03:17:04PM -0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102280844190.28564-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>; <20010228141247.A877@peach.veggie.com> <3A9D1670.14123.BB260@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010228193018.A809@peach.veggie.com>
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 03:17:04PM -0000, Andrew Johnson wrote:
>
> Fine, everybody has the right to reply, but...
> 1) This is a Linux help forum and the argument is neither related to
> help or Linux.
Agreed. But the libel was posted to the mailing list which is where the
arguments should subsequently be posted as everybody has a right to
reply as you rightly indicate.
> 2) I object to my bandwidth and time reading being wasted on such
> stupid and childish arguents.
If you had been libelled in such a way as a technical consultant, then
you would find it neither `stupid' nor `childish'.
> Either create a wylug-flame list, take it somewhere else or I for one
> will un-subscribe to the help list..
If you want to post with the benefits of your collected wisdom about
`childishness' to the mailing list, then you should DAMN well read it on
the mailing list. You've got my email address which is where you
should have written to me discussing `childish' behaviour in the first
place. If you didn't want to read any more on the subject and save
your precious bandwidth then the sensible thing for you to have done
would be to not post in the first place.
I'd already indicated that I didn't wish to post any more on the
subject, so why prolong the agony?
Talking about kids throwing their toys out of their pram: `...I for
one will un-subscribe to the help list..'
--
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From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Wed Feb 28 19:42:52 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:42:52 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102281609590.1953-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>; from mpc@comp.leeds.ac.uk on Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:43PM +0000
References: <20010228141247.A877@peach.veggie.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102281609590.1953-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010228194252.B809@peach.veggie.com>
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:43PM +0000, Mark P. Conmy wrote:
>
<snipped>
>
> You HAVE replied.
>
> Sod it - take me off the mailing lists. I get too much email anyway.
>
> Mark
And I'll reply again - on-topic. You don't want to post here saying
that you want to unsubscribe, I believe the solution is to email:
wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
with `unsubscribe' in the body of the message.
HTH.
--
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From richard at sheflug.co.uk Wed Feb 28 23:12:36 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:12:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Books
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0102282311500.3037-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Dear All
Just updated some of the book review pages....
http://www.sheflug.co.uk/oreilly.html
http://www.sheflug.co.uk/newriders.html
if you get bored you might want to read some of them ?
Thanks
Richard
From mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Feb 28 20:01:56 2001
From: mpc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Mark P. Conmy)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:01:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] X forwarding through ssh
In-Reply-To: <20010228194252.B809@peach.veggie.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102282001280.5424-100000@www.csdb.leeds.ac.uk>
I do actually know that.
I *have* actually unsubscribed.
Don't contact me further.
See y'all,
Mark
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Frank Shute wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:43PM +0000, Mark P. Conmy wrote:
> >
> <snipped>
> >
> > You HAVE replied.
> >
> > Sod it - take me off the mailing lists. I get too much email anyway.
> >
> > Mark
>
> And I'll reply again - on-topic. You don't want to post here saying
> that you want to unsubscribe, I believe the solution is to email:
>
> wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
>
> with `unsubscribe' in the body of the message.
>
> HTH.
>
>