[Wylug-help] Printer problems
Dr.RajivSrinivasa
Dr.RajivSrinivasa
Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:08:36 +0000
Problem: Whenever I try to print anything, the job seems to be sent to pppd
(via lpd): my dod starts up a connection to the internet. The printer works
fine on Win95. I have perused apsfilterrc as well as the
/etc/apsfilterrc.ljet4 and neither of them make any mention of a remote
printer. \moreover, the PRINT GUI says the printer is local.
Even the command line "lpr -Pprinter ****.txt" is sent to pppd
Any suggestions/solutions?
Thanks in advance,
Rajiv
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From Help at asthma-help.co.uk Sat Mar 3 22:06:00 2001
From: Help at asthma-help.co.uk (Asthma-Help)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:06:00 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Help with modem
Message-ID: <MABBJIFPHCFGKFKCHNBEMEAICBAA.Help@asthma-help.co.uk>
Hi group
I am sure you have all heard this one before !!
I have Mandrake 6.1 and am having problem setting up the modem.
I go into kppp and enter my Freeserve account details, and query the modem -
nothing in the ATI fields - but the modem lights flash.
I can ATDT in terminal and get a dial tone for a few seconds but it won't
dial any number I put in the ADDT string.
I have an external 3Com US Robotics 56K Voice Modem, connected to COM1.
Any suggestions
I live in Roberttown, West Yorkshire - near Mirfield/Huddersfield/Dewsbury -
any local 'experts' ??
Chris - about to go back to Windows for good !
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Mon Mar 5 12:39:45 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Help with modem
In-Reply-To: <MABBJIFPHCFGKFKCHNBEMEAICBAA.Help@asthma-help.co.uk>; from Help@asthma-help.co.uk on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 10:06:00PM -0000
References: <MABBJIFPHCFGKFKCHNBEMEAICBAA.Help@asthma-help.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010305123945.A932@peach.veggie.com>
On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 10:06:00PM -0000, Asthma-Help wrote:
> Hi group
> I am sure you have all heard this one before !!
>
> I have Mandrake 6.1 and am having problem setting up the modem.
> I go into kppp and enter my Freeserve account details, and query the modem -
> nothing in the ATI fields - but the modem lights flash.
> I can ATDT in terminal and get a dial tone for a few seconds but it won't
> dial any number I put in the ADDT string.
>
> I have an external 3Com US Robotics 56K Voice Modem, connected to COM1.
>
> Any suggestions
A few suggestions. Have you got a symbolic link from /dev/modem to
/dev/ttyS0, I don't know about kppp but a lot of programs seem to use
/dev/modem. If not there's no harm in:
# ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem
When using minicom, first send ATZ which should return with an OK and
reset the modem. Then ATDT123456 or whatever the number for Freeserve
is. You mentioned ADDT and I don't know whether that was a typo.
The Modem-HOWTO is worth having a look at if you haven't already
aswell as the one on PPP:
$ less /usr/doc/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO
on my box.
>
> I live in Roberttown, West Yorkshire - near Mirfield/Huddersfield/Dewsbury -
> any local 'experts' ??
Not local I'm afraid
>
> Chris - about to go back to Windows for good !
Don't do that, you'll regret it.
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From jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Mar 7 17:09:34 2001
From: jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Jim Jackson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:09:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Printer problems
In-Reply-To: <01030310083600.01177@linux>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103071709140.11631-100000@cslin120>
What is in the /etc/printcap file?
Jim
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Dr. Rajiv Srinivasa wrote:
> Problem: Whenever I try to print anything, the job seems to be sent to pppd
> (via lpd): my dod starts up a connection to the internet. The printer works
> fine on Win95. I have perused apsfilterrc as well as the
> /etc/apsfilterrc.ljet4 and neither of them make any mention of a remote
> printer. \moreover, the PRINT GUI says the printer is local.
>
> Even the command line "lpr -Pprinter ****.txt" is sent to pppd
>
> Any suggestions/solutions?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rajiv
>
From rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 7 21:01:51 2001
From: rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Greenwood)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 21:01:51 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network Attached Storage
Message-ID: <3AA6A1BF.1FA70FFF@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
I have been looking at a simple way to add additional storage to our
system at work (existing NT4 server (3 years old) with 9GB disc getting
full - don't complain - current uptime over 250 days!)
Traditional way - add another SCSI disc to the existing server -
downside large cost, big upset while server messed with and no backup
i.e. all kit still in same box.
How about a QUBE (or similar) network attached, DHCP aware i.e. plug and
play. Cost about =A3800 and running linux 2.2 Also starts the big move to=
a linux based server system (Qube can do a lot more than just the
storage). This is my current favourite because of ease but I want to pay
less !
How about a std. PC (DIY), network attached ditto but less cost ?
Any thoughts appreciated - I don't really have the time (or knowledge!)
to set this up all by myself, unless I do it at home first. What I
really want is an off-the-shelf system, or a script to do the setup. I'm
sure I'm not the first to want this - anyone come across such a thing ?
TIA Roger Greenwood
-- =
RG Current Sigfile :-
Black holes are where God divided by zero - Steven Wright
From rajiv.s at ntlworld.com Wed Mar 7 21:23:32 2001
From: rajiv.s at ntlworld.com (Rajiv Srinivasa)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:23:32 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Printer problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103071709140.11631-100000@cslin120>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103071709140.11631-100000@cslin120>
Message-ID: <01030721233200.05295@linux>
On Wednesday 07 March 2001 5:09 pm, you wrote:
> What is in the /etc/printcap file?
As follows:
printer1-ascii|lp4|y2prn_printer1.upp--ascii-printer1|y2prn_printer1.upp
ascii:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--ascii-printer1:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--ascii-printer1/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--ascii-printer1/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/y2prn_printer1.upp--ascii-printer1:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:sf
#
printer1|lp5|y2prn_printer1.upp--auto-printer1|y2prn_printer1.upp auto:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--auto-printer1:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--auto-printer1/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--auto-printer1/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/y2prn_printer1.upp--auto-printer1:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:sf
#
printer1-raw|lp6|y2prn_printer1.upp--raw-printer1|y2prn_printer1.upp raw:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--raw-printer1:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--raw-printer1/log:\
:af=/var/spool/lpd/y2prn_printer1.upp--raw-printer1/acct:\
:if=/var/lib/apsfilter/bin/y2prn_printer1.upp--raw-printer1:\
:la@:mx#0:\
:sh:sf
> Jim
>
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Dr. Rajiv Srinivasa wrote:
> > Problem: Whenever I try to print anything, the job seems to be sent to
> > pppd (via lpd): my dod starts up a connection to the internet. The
> > printer works fine on Win95. I have perused apsfilterrc as well as the
> > /etc/apsfilterrc.ljet4 and neither of them make any mention of a remote
> > printer. \moreover, the PRINT GUI says the printer is local.
> >
> > Even the command line "lpr -Pprinter ****.txt" is sent to pppd
> >
> > Any suggestions/solutions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Rajiv
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Thu Mar 8 10:48:20 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:48:20 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network Attached Storage
In-Reply-To: <3AA6A1BF.1FA70FFF@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
References: <3AA6A1BF.1FA70FFF@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01030810482002.03770@gary.ringways.co.uk>
The main question you will need to ask yourself here is what
performance do you want?
A network card and cable will never be as fast as a local SCSI drive.
However, if all the NT server is doing is serving files to clients on
the network this won't be a problem.
If you are happy with the performance issue then there is no reason why
you can't go down the Linux route.
The next thing you should think about is price/reliability. You could
(and we do) buy consumer grade components and build a DIY PC. However,
bear in mind that consumer grade *can* imply poorer quality. You may
wish to look at a better quality box such as a HP, Compaq, IBM server
level box - I have no personal experience here tho'.
Having said that tho, using consumer grade kit, we've only had two
server fails, with kit varying in age from 3 weeks to 4 years.
On Wednesday 07 March 2001 9:01 pm, Roger Greenwood wrote:
> I have been looking at a simple way to add additional storage to our
> system at work (existing NT4 server (3 years old) with 9GB disc
> getting full - don't complain - current uptime over 250 days!)
>
> Traditional way - add another SCSI disc to the existing server -
> downside large cost, big upset while server messed with and no backup
> i.e. all kit still in same box.
>
> How about a QUBE (or similar) network attached, DHCP aware i.e. plug
> and play. Cost about £800 and running linux 2.2 Also starts the big
> move to a linux based server system (Qube can do a lot more than just
> the storage). This is my current favourite because of ease but I want
> to pay less !
>
> How about a std. PC (DIY), network attached ditto but less cost ?
>
> Any thoughts appreciated - I don't really have the time (or
> knowledge!) to set this up all by myself, unless I do it at home
> first. What I really want is an off-the-shelf system, or a script to
> do the setup. I'm sure I'm not the first to want this - anyone come
> across such a thing ?
>
> TIA Roger Greenwood
--
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may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
From asht_007 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 8 12:34:23 2001
From: asht_007 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ash=20Thakrar?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:34:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] RE: Server Cases
Message-ID: <20010308123423.6492.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi
Does anyone know where to get a fairly cheaper server
case which can be rack mounted........
Cheers
Ash
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From rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 9 07:10:24 2001
From: rg at nthong.freeserve.co.uk (Roger Greenwood)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:10:24 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network Attached Storage
References: <3AA6A1BF.1FA70FFF@nthong.freeserve.co.uk> <01030810482002.03770@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3AA881E0.DE68F11E@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
Hi Gary - yes performance is not a big issue - just the extra storage
with anything else a bonus. Thats why the Qube is very attractive - it
can be explored for extra facilities later and could replace the server
if (when) it breaks. Although we also use the server for fax, proxy
access and tape backup software, it's main job is local file serving. No
SQL, no database, no intranet. I want to add one local to the server for
extra storage (say 10 to 20GB min) and another at the other end of the
building which I will copy all the files onto overnight. Parnoid ? Moi ?
Gary Stainburn wrote:
> =
> The main question you will need to ask yourself here is what
> performance do you want?
> =
> A network card and cable will never be as fast as a local SCSI drive.
> =
> However, if all the NT server is doing is serving files to clients on
> the network this won't be a problem.
> =
> If you are happy with the performance issue then there is no reason why=
> you can't go down the Linux route.
> =
> The next thing you should think about is price/reliability. You could
> (and we do) buy consumer grade components and build a DIY PC. However,=
> bear in mind that consumer grade *can* imply poorer quality. You may
> wish to look at a better quality box such as a HP, Compaq, IBM server
> level box - I have no personal experience here tho'.
> =
> Having said that tho, using consumer grade kit, we've only had two
> server fails, with kit varying in age from 3 weeks to 4 years.
> =
> On Wednesday 07 March 2001 9:01 pm, Roger Greenwood wrote:
> > I have been looking at a simple way to add additional storage to our
> > system at work (existing NT4 server (3 years old) with 9GB disc
> > getting full - don't complain - current uptime over 250 days!)
> >
> > Traditional way - add another SCSI disc to the existing server -
> > downside large cost, big upset while server messed with and no backup=
> > i.e. all kit still in same box.
> >
> > How about a QUBE (or similar) network attached, DHCP aware i.e. plug
> > and play. Cost about =A3800 and running linux 2.2 Also starts the big=
> > move to a linux based server system (Qube can do a lot more than just=
> > the storage). This is my current favourite because of ease but I want=
> > to pay less !
> >
> > How about a std. PC (DIY), network attached ditto but less cost ?
> >
> > Any thoughts appreciated - I don't really have the time (or
> > knowledge!) to set this up all by myself, unless I do it at home
> > first. What I really want is an off-the-shelf system, or a script to
> > do the setup. I'm sure I'm not the first to want this - anyone come
> > across such a thing ?
> >
> > TIA Roger Greenwood
> =
> --
> Gary Stainburn
> =
> This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000=
> =
-- =
RG Current Sigfile :-
Black holes are where God divided by zero - Steven Wright
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 9 09:31:37 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:31:37 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network Attached Storage
In-Reply-To: <3AA881E0.DE68F11E@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
References: <3AA6A1BF.1FA70FFF@nthong.freeserve.co.uk> <01030810482002.03770@gary.ringways.co.uk> <3AA881E0.DE68F11E@nthong.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01030909313700.05972@gary.ringways.co.uk>
On Friday 09 March 2001 7:10 am, Roger Greenwood wrote:
> Hi Gary - yes performance is not a big issue - just the extra storage
> with anything else a bonus. Thats why the Qube is very attractive -
> it can be explored for extra facilities later and could replace the
> server if (when) it breaks. Although we also use the server for fax,
> proxy access and tape backup software, it's main job is local file
> serving. No SQL, no database, no intranet. I want to add one local to
> the server for extra storage (say 10 to 20GB min) and another at the
> other end of the building which I will copy all the files onto
> overnight. Parnoid ? Moi ?
Poor mans raid, I meant to mention that one to you.
One thing to mention here tho, if one of them is going to be remote -
ie not in your office - a good security feature (and a money saver) is
to run it headless. If it does not have a monitor or keyboard it makes
it much harder for other people to *administer* it for you.
If all the NT server is doing is what you've listed above, there is no
reason at all why all of these functions can't at some point be ported
to the new Linux servers. The only thing you may have a problem with
is network fax, although I believe people have been working on a
Hyla-Fax -> MS Fax gateway. The way we got round it was to stick Win95
on an old 486sx25 and use that - again running headless and accessed
remotely by VNC from my KDE desktop.
>
> Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > The main question you will need to ask yourself here is what
> > performance do you want?
> >
> > A network card and cable will never be as fast as a local SCSI
> > drive.
> >
> > However, if all the NT server is doing is serving files to clients
> > on the network this won't be a problem.
> >
> > If you are happy with the performance issue then there is no reason
> > why you can't go down the Linux route.
> >
> > The next thing you should think about is price/reliability. You
> > could (and we do) buy consumer grade components and build a DIY PC.
> > However, bear in mind that consumer grade *can* imply poorer
> > quality. You may wish to look at a better quality box such as a
> > HP, Compaq, IBM server level box - I have no personal experience
> > here tho'.
> >
> > Having said that tho, using consumer grade kit, we've only had two
> > server fails, with kit varying in age from 3 weeks to 4 years.
> >
> > On Wednesday 07 March 2001 9:01 pm, Roger Greenwood wrote:
> > > I have been looking at a simple way to add additional storage to
> > > our system at work (existing NT4 server (3 years old) with 9GB
> > > disc getting full - don't complain - current uptime over 250
> > > days!)
> > >
> > > Traditional way - add another SCSI disc to the existing server -
> > > downside large cost, big upset while server messed with and no
> > > backup i.e. all kit still in same box.
> > >
> > > How about a QUBE (or similar) network attached, DHCP aware i.e.
> > > plug and play. Cost about £800 and running linux 2.2 Also starts
> > > the big move to a linux based server system (Qube can do a lot
> > > more than just the storage). This is my current favourite because
> > > of ease but I want to pay less !
> > >
> > > How about a std. PC (DIY), network attached ditto but less cost ?
> > >
> > > Any thoughts appreciated - I don't really have the time (or
> > > knowledge!) to set this up all by myself, unless I do it at home
> > > first. What I really want is an off-the-shelf system, or a script
> > > to do the setup. I'm sure I'm not the first to want this - anyone
> > > come across such a thing ?
> > >
> > > TIA Roger Greenwood
> >
> > --
> > Gary Stainburn
> >
> > This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
> > may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> > and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act,
> > 2000
--
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may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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From mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Fri Mar 9 09:58:15 2001
From: mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (Mike Banahan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:58:15 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] RE: Server Cases
In-Reply-To: <20010308123423.6492.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com>; from asht_007@yahoo.co.uk on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:34:23PM +0000
References: <20010308123423.6492.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010309095815.B753@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:34:23PM +0000, Ash Thakrar wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know where to get a fairly cheaper server
> case which can be rack mounted........
>
> Cheers
> Ash
Oddly enough I just had to buy one. It is of Russian-Tank build quality
almost bombproof with rubber-mounted hard drive cage etc.
Supplier is Rotronic - www.rotronic.co.uk, phone 01293 565556.
Cost is about UKL 200 for AT/ATX cases. The case-cooling fan
would fly a hovercraft.
Mike
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From howard.close at virgin.net Fri Mar 9 10:03:06 2001
From: howard.close at virgin.net (Howard Close)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:03:06 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Can't mount CDROMs
Message-ID: <3AA8AA5A.96D49846@virgin.net>
Would SKS have a look at this edited output from dmesg and interpret the
cryptic remarks therein. I have 2 ATAPI - IDE CDROM's - a standard 32x
reader on hdb (ide0) and a Writer on hdd (ide1). I was elated a couple
of weeks ago to succeed for the first time in months of trying to burn
my first cd using Linux but now dejected that when I try to mount either
of them I get that unhelpful message about "wrong fs, too many mounted
devices or bad sector".
It is possible that I might have recompiled the kernel from 2.2.17 to
2.4.1 in the intervening period (can't remember before or after) but I
don't think I touched anything related to CDROM's or iso9660 fs or scsi
emulation. (Mandrake 7.2 - there was a comment on the Mandrake site
about incorrect links between /dev/cdrom and /dev/scd0 in 7.2 and I
applied their correction but still no joy)
#dmesg begins
Kernel command line: mem=131072K root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi failsafe
ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with
idebus=xx
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
PIIX4: chipset revision 1
PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
hda: SAMSUNG SV0644A, ATA DISK drive
hdb: CREATIVECD3630E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: SAMSUNG SV0643A, ATA DISK drive
hdd: CR-4802TE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 12504240 sectors (6402 MB) w/490KiB Cache, CHS=778/255/63
hdc: 12594960 sectors (6449 MB) w/220KiB Cache, CHS=13328/15/63
hdb: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
osst: bufsize 32768, wrt 30720, max buffers 4, s/g segs 9.
request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
Vendor: MITSUMI Model: CR-4802TE Rev: 1.4D
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/8x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64)
hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: command error: error=0x50
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0)
I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: command error: error=0x50
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdb: command error: error=0x50
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
#dmesg ends
Appreciate your time and help
Howard
From nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk Fri Mar 9 10:33:37 2001
From: nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk (Nick Moulsdale)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:33:37 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] RE: Server Cases
In-Reply-To: <20010309095815.B753@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
Message-ID: <009a01c0a884$671431a0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Or it thats too steep, take a look at Light Computers on Meanwood Road or
cclcomputers in Central (?) Leeds. Mind you I just bought a Compaq server
itself from www.insight.com/uk for £700, so £200 empty box sounds a bit
steep?
Nick
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Mike Banahan
> Sent: 09 March 2001 9:58 am
> To: Ash Thakrar
> Cc: wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] RE: Server Cases
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:34:23PM +0000, Ash Thakrar wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone know where to get a fairly cheaper server
> > case which can be rack mounted........
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ash
>
>
> Oddly enough I just had to buy one. It is of Russian-Tank
> build quality
> almost bombproof with rubber-mounted hard drive cage etc.
>
> Supplier is Rotronic - www.rotronic.co.uk, phone 01293 565556.
>
> Cost is about UKL 200 for AT/ATX cases. The case-cooling fan
> would fly a hovercraft.
>
> Mike
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From ranyardm at lineone.net Fri Mar 9 10:42:57 2001
From: ranyardm at lineone.net (Martyn Ranyard)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:42:57 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Can't mount CDROMs
References: <3AA8AA5A.96D49846@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <00a101c0a885$b44d5ea0$0c00000a@inter.co.uk>
I notice that you are using a Creative CDROM drive, I have noticed problems
with using the Creative CDROMs from CCL, although usually this is not the
error message I've had, I believe you can use them after a little messing
with hdparm, but if you have a CDROM drive from a different manufacturer,
I'd switch it over. I know I was unable to install linux from a creative
drive because none of the distro's boot disks have hdparm.
Martyn
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----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Close <howard.close@virgin.net>
To: WYLUG Help <wylug-help@wylug.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: [Wylug-help] Can't mount CDROMs
> Would SKS have a look at this edited output from dmesg and interpret the
> cryptic remarks therein. I have 2 ATAPI - IDE CDROM's - a standard 32x
> reader on hdb (ide0) and a Writer on hdd (ide1). I was elated a couple
> of weeks ago to succeed for the first time in months of trying to burn
> my first cd using Linux but now dejected that when I try to mount either
> of them I get that unhelpful message about "wrong fs, too many mounted
> devices or bad sector".
> It is possible that I might have recompiled the kernel from 2.2.17 to
> 2.4.1 in the intervening period (can't remember before or after) but I
> don't think I touched anything related to CDROM's or iso9660 fs or scsi
> emulation. (Mandrake 7.2 - there was a comment on the Mandrake site
> about incorrect links between /dev/cdrom and /dev/scd0 in 7.2 and I
> applied their correction but still no joy)
>
> #dmesg begins
>
> Kernel command line: mem=131072K root=/dev/hda3 hdd=ide-scsi failsafe
> ide_setup: hdd=ide-scsi
>
> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with
> idebus=xx
> PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39
> PIIX4: chipset revision 1
> PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
> hda: SAMSUNG SV0644A, ATA DISK drive
> hdb: CREATIVECD3630E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> hdc: SAMSUNG SV0643A, ATA DISK drive
> hdd: CR-4802TE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
> hda: 12504240 sectors (6402 MB) w/490KiB Cache, CHS=778/255/63
> hdc: 12594960 sectors (6449 MB) w/220KiB Cache, CHS=13328/15/63
> hdb: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache
> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
>
> SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
> request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
> osst: bufsize 32768, wrt 30720, max buffers 4, s/g segs 9.
> request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
> request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
> request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
> request_module[scsi_hostadapter]: Root fs not mounted
>
> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
> Vendor: MITSUMI Model: CR-4802TE Rev: 1.4D
> Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/8x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64)
> hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdb: command error: error=0x50
> end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0)
> I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
> hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdb: command error: error=0x50
> end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
>
> hdb: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdb: command error: error=0x50
> end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=03:40, iso_blknum=16, block=32
> I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 64
> isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=0b:00, iso_blknum=16, block=16
> #dmesg ends
>
> Appreciate your time and help
>
> Howard
>
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From mcanals at xoommail.com Sun Mar 11 18:11:36 2001
From: mcanals at xoommail.com (marc canals)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:11:36 -0800
Subject: [Wylug-help] dual questions
Message-ID: <200103111811.KAA16525@xoommail.com>
hello!
i have to build a linux server which will
have a dual intel processor mother board.
do i need to recompile the kernel for that ?.
or, do i need to load some special module ?
how would you do that ?
2nd question:
this server has to have 2 connections
to the internet, with two different ISP.
can i configure 2 different gateways for
my net ? that is just in case one of
these ISP fails, my linux server would
use the other one automatically.
thanks!
marcos canals
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 17:23:55 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:23:55
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re:GCC and Xenacs for Macintosh
Message-ID: <F119rCSVbNGnsVYBi2z0000a662@hotmail.com>
>To Whomever reads this,
>I am a student at Leeds University and I need to get copies of the
>GCC compiler and Xemacs editor onto my computer at home. It is
>a Macintosh G3. I do have a copy of Code Warrior but my course
>dictates my use of GCC and Xemacs. Is there anyone in the user
>group who may be able to offer any advice on this problem.
>ie:where I may find downloadable copies of these software
>packages.
Ideally, your course, or your course tutor, should not dictate
what tools (editor/compiler) you use; but only what results you
achieve, or what results must be obtainable from a given set of
inputs. < URL:http://www.umsl.edu/~sbmeade/macway/06_95_ne.txt >.
However, the requests you have made are not out of line
with the objectives and methods of WYLUG, so I will point you in
some directions that may be of assistance.
First, the Codewarrior compiler you mentioned is a high quality,
well regarded product and you ought to consider continuing to use
it. It is nearly universal in the Mac world and has about 100
varieties as it has backends for a large number of embedded
systems. (Motorola liked what Metrowerks had been doing so much
that they bought the company). < URL:http://www.metrowerks.com/ >.
It might be of interest to note
< URL:http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/palm/faq/ > that in the
early days of Palm programming, GCC was widely used for creating
palm software.
Next, there are Mac versions of emacs (and vim for that matter),
see < URL:http://www.vim.org/ >,
< URL:http://homepage.mac.com/pjarvis/xemacs.html >,
< URL:ftp://ftp.cs.cornell.edu/pub/parmet/ >,
< URL:http://mac-emacs.sourceforge.net/index.html >. Since this
list includes Xemacs, you should be able to obtain a useful copy
of that software without undue difficulty. If not, please let us
know.
The standard text editor on the mac is BBEdit
< URL:http://www.barebones.com/ > or Tex-Edit
< URL:ftp://members.aol/tombb/ >, but you may want to check
Alpha < URL:http://www.bcity.com/alphatext > which whilst
made from quite different ingredients is put together
in a similar way to emacs, from the user's point of view.
To get a working useful copy of GCC for the mac is a tougher nut
to crack, and I would not care to attempt to do so without a
compelling reason, but you might find some of these resources
helpful:
The general Mac Programming Answer Sheet gives some guidance, but
you might feel that it is out of date.
< URL:http://www.landfield.com/faqs/macintosh/programming-faq/ >
This one relevant entry in the well known list of free tools.
< URL:http://www.idiom.com/free-compilers/TOOL/C-2.html >. Here
is a list which covers (in some detail) the development tools
available for the mac,
< URL:http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gilles.depeyrot/DevTools_en.html >
and another
<
URL:http://www.mann.embl-heidelberg.de/Development/FreeDevelopmentSystems.html
>
which is comprehensive in the context of my answer.
To be able to write Macintosh applications, you need a compiler, a
set of the Apple include files, the Mac Runtime libraries and
means to create or edit Mac resources. The former two items are
likely to be considerable hurdles in the path of a high quality or
maintained non-proprietary Mac development system.
The original Mac development system was MPW and it contained all
those things (and was once very expensive). MPW, should you not
have ever seen it, has the look and feel of a medium to moderately
high quality non-standard unix of about 1989 vintage.
< URL:http://www.geek-central.gen.nz/MPW/intro.html >
It is a command line system
< URL:http://www.io.com/~mccoy/beginning_print.html >. MPW comes
with Apple's compilers. Apple's compilers have, um, varied in
quality, and if I recall correctly, their current 68k compiler was
written for them (in return for a colossal fee) by Symantec and
their current PPC compiler came from Motorola, both are slow, even
very slow, by modern standards, but the PPC compiler (MrC) has an
excellent reputation for code quality.
One port of GCC (1.37)
< URL:ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/mac/m68k/gcc-1.37.1r15-all.sea.bin >
is available from Cygnus thanks to Stan Shebs, but to use it, you
need a copy of MPW. One of the easiest ways of doing this is to
get hold of a cheap edition of CodeWarrior (which comes with a cut
down version of MPW). Of course, once you have a copy of
CodeWarrior it is moot as to whether you need a 'free as in beer'
compiler. There is a 'standalone' compiler based on gcc, but I
have never investigated it & I don't think that it can produce
Mac applications.
The rules have changed in that from a couple of years ago Apple made
their tools freely downloadable from
< URL:http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools >. It is debatable
as to whether MPW in general is actually a good choice, certainly
CodeWarrior is far easier to use, and more efficient in that it is
possible to produce a high quality Mac application quickly using
it; By comparison the MPW system is considered to be quite
difficult to master.
Work on a later version of GCC (perhaps version 2.3.3) has
continued, but the current status is still rather below any
reasonable standard; you can probably download it from the Cygnus
site.
I fear that you will not get much more help from the main GNU site,
which makes this comment.
2. One consequence is that we are now interested only in
software that fits well into the context of the GNU system.
Distributing free MSDOS or Macintosh software is a useful
activity, but it is not part of our game plan.
< URL:http://www.gnu.org/bulletins/bull3.html#SEC5 >.
Whilst the situation is much better now, even with the loss of
Hypercard, < URL:http://www.apple.com/hypercard/ >
fundamentally, given the difficulty of obtaining cheap usable
tools it is a wonder that ANY software got written for the Mac at
all and there is a ferocious dearth of open source software
< URL:http://www.jmac.org/mac_oss/index.pl >,
(try, for example, compiling your own copy of MacPerl
< URL:http://www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~neeri/macintosh/perl.html > ).
I hope that this is of some help, even if not terribly interesting;
I do try to pick up Mac questions that arise here. Incidentally, I am
on the look out for a copy of Codewarrior & if you happen to have
one for sale ...
Ben.
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Mon Mar 12 18:34:09 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:34:09
Subject: [Wylug-help] dual questions
Message-ID: <F121SBgfCXvKh7VVJzK0000ad46@hotmail.com>
>i have to build a linux server which will
>have a dual intel processor mother board.
It is not clear whether you are doing this
for fun (on the kitchen table as one might say),
or as a project at work.
>do i need to recompile the kernel for that ?.
>or, do i need to load some special module ?
>how would you do that ?
You shouldn't need to re-compile a 2.4 kernel as
the stock ones probably have multiprocessor support.
However, I would be tempted to do so.
I don't believe that you need any special modules.
>This server has to have 2 connections
>to the internet, with two different ISP.
>can i configure 2 different gateways for
>my net ?
Yes. One or neither would be the default route. You
might want to set up routed or a moral equivalent.
>that is just in case one of
>these ISP fails, my linux server would
>use the other one automatically.
ISPs don't fail very often. Read the relevant
chapter in Greenspun
< URL:http://www.arsdigita.com/books/panda/server >
Ben
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From Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk Wed Mar 14 12:44:54 2001
From: Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk (Simon Wood)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:44:54 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] sed, awk and regular expressions.
Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB202D73A5D@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
Hello,
anyone a Sed/Awk guru?? I'm having troubles with the regular expressions.
If trying to use sed to convert some hex files into a different format.
from
## this is hex file...
700abc12 00 11 22 33
to
0x00
0x11
0x22
0x33
This is what I have so far....please
1) I trying to strip all lines that don't start with 8 hexdigits.... but the {8}
(exactly 8 of specified characters) doesn't seem to work
awk -e '/^[0-8a-fA-F]{8}/' infile > outfile
2). Next I'm attempting to remove the 8 digit hex value (same problem as above
I guess).
sed -e 's/^[0-9a-fA-F]{8}//g' infile > outfile
3). Then replace the ' ' (spaces) with '\r0x' (newline, 0x), but sed doesn't put in
the newlines - just a 'r' instead
sed -s 's/ /\r0x/g' infile > outfile
So far, as you can see, I've failed horribly. Thanks for any help tendered,
Simon Wood
From dave at behemoth.plus.com Wed Mar 14 18:18:23 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:18:23 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] sed, awk and regular expressions.
In-Reply-To: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB202D73A5D@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
References: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB202D73A5D@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01031418182300.24886@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> Hello,
> anyone a Sed/Awk guru?? I'm having troubles with the regular
> expressions.
>
> If trying to use sed to convert some hex files into a different
> format. from
> ## this is hex file...
> 700abc12 00 11 22 33
>
> to
> 0x00
> 0x11
> 0x22
> 0x33
>
> This is what I have so far....please
> 1) I trying to strip all lines that don't start with 8 hexdigits....
> but the {8} (exactly 8 of specified characters) doesn't seem to work
> awk -e '/^[0-8a-fA-F]{8}/' infile > outfile
>
> 2). Next I'm attempting to remove the 8 digit hex value (same problem
> as above I guess).
> sed -e 's/^[0-9a-fA-F]{8}//g' infile > outfile
>
> 3). Then replace the ' ' (spaces) with '\r0x' (newline, 0x), but sed
> doesn't put in the newlines - just a 'r' instead
> sed -s 's/ /\r0x/g' infile > outfile
>
>
> So far, as you can see, I've failed horribly. Thanks for any help
> tendered, Simon Wood
awk --posix '/^[0-9A-Fa-f]{8}([0-9A-Fa-f]| )+$/ { for ( i=2; i<=NF; i++
) { print "0x"$i } }' infile > outfile
Hope that helps. The "--posix" switch tells GNU awk to honour the "{8}"
interval expression.
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From bpfowler at hotmail.com Wed Mar 14 13:30:10 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:30:10
Subject: [Wylug-help] sed, awk and regular expressions.
Message-ID: <F117mcK8r6beUzmRf6C0000ebe0@hotmail.com>
>anyone a Sed/Awk guru?? I'm having troubles with the regular expressions.
You might be making things a bit difficult for yourself
if you are using both sed and awk.
Given that you cannot use perl for some reason,
< URL:http://www.gnu.org/manual/make/html_chapter/make_14.html#SEC118 >
could you not drop one at least of the utilities that
you have proposed?
>If trying to use sed to convert some hex files into a different
>format. from:
> ## this is hex file...
> 700abc12 00 11 22 33
Is this the Intel Hex Record format, if so there is a checksum as
well.
>
>to
> 0x00
> 0x11
> 0x22
> 0x33
>
>This is what I have so far....please
>1) I trying to strip all lines that don't start with 8 hexdigits....
>but the {8} (exactly 8 of specified characters) doesn't seem to work
I think that it is written \{n\} in sed
> awk -e '/^[0-8a-fA-F]{8}/' infile > outfile
>3). Then replace the ' ' (spaces) with '\r0x' (newline, 0x), but sed
> >doesn't put in the newlines - just a 'r' instead
> sed -s 's/ /\r0x/g' infile > outfile
I think that it is \n (see the man page)
When you get (3) right, you won't need (1), as the spaces
won't match. So you might have the asnswer you need already.
Ben.
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From dave at behemoth.plus.com Thu Mar 15 08:36:13 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:36:13 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] sed, awk and regular expressions.
Message-ID: <01031508361300.26163@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> Hello,
> anyone a Sed/Awk guru?? I'm having troubles with the regular
> expressions.
>
> If trying to use sed to convert some hex files into a different
> format. from
> ## this is hex file...
> 700abc12 00 11 22 33
>
> to
> 0x00
> 0x11
> 0x22
> 0x33
awk --posix '/^[0-9A-Fa-f]{8}([0-9A-Fa-f]| )+$/ { for ( i=2; i<=NF; i++
) { print "0x"$i } }' infile > outfile
Hope that helps. The "--posix" switch tells GNU awk to honour the "{8}"
interval expression.
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From bond at verlaat.de Thu Mar 15 17:11:07 2001
From: bond at verlaat.de (James Bond)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:11:07 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
Hello All,
We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly into the WWW on
an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.
I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain names, there
seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains are
registered and will then offer you registration at quite a large sum and
then that would only be for a year or so!!
Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest cost or
for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly ???
I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
James
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Thu Mar 15 17:20:40 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:20:40 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
References: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
Message-ID: <01031517204001.28023@gary.ringways.co.uk>
www.123-reg.co.uk will cost you about £6 per domain.
not tried them myself tho'
On Thursday 15 March 2001 5:11 pm, James Bond wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly into the
> WWW on an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.
>
> I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain names,
> there seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains
> are registered and will then offer you registration at quite a large
> sum and then that would only be for a year or so!!
>
> Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest
> cost or for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name
> indefiantatly ???
>
> I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
>
> James
>
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Thu Mar 15 18:03:09 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:03:09
Subject: Registering my domain name was: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F35Db7xBNWep4CMxfqc00001ce8@hotmail.com>
>Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest cost or
>for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly ???
The smallest cost or for nothing might be www.uklinux.net, but
this would definitely not be yours to have and to hold for
evermore.
I am afraid that you will have to do some more research
before you are likely to fully understand the questions
that you asked.
Der Hund vom Baskerville
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Thu Mar 15 18:14:21 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:14:21
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F56zbxnB7ZWkKkqTgto00001dc7@hotmail.com>
>www.123-reg.co.uk will cost you about £6 per domain.
>
>not tried them myself tho'
Do you know of a satisfied customer?
No offence, but I have heard serious and insoluble
problems with the status of a domain where the organisation
that registered the name for a company actually
registered it for themselves, and put that company's
web pages inside one of their frames. This meant
that the pages cannot be found by search engines.
I don't know what happened, or what might happen when
the company concerned want their name back, but
they are letting themselves in for a little light
blackmail.
Ben
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From amit at merlin.legend.org.uk Thu Mar 15 18:30:12 2001
From: amit at merlin.legend.org.uk (Farhan Amit Sattar)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:30:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <01031517204001.28023@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103151827390.17020-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
I have used them without any problems *yet*=20
regards
Farhan
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> www.123-reg.co.uk will cost you about =A36 per domain.
>=20
> not tried them myself tho'
>=20
> On Thursday 15 March 2001 5:11 pm, James Bond wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly into the
> > WWW on an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.
> >
> > I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain names,
> > there seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains
> > are registered and will then offer you registration at quite a large
> > sum and then that would only be for a year or so!!
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest
> > cost or for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name
> > indefiantatly ???
> >
> > I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
> >
> > James
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
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> =20
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From martin at jamaro.org.uk Thu Mar 15 19:20:59 2001
From: martin at jamaro.org.uk (Martin Rowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:20:59 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
References: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
Message-ID: <01031519205904.23571@jamaro>
On Thursday 15 March 2001 17:11, James Bond wrote:
<snipped>
> Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest
> cost or for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly
> ???
>
> I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
>
> James
I've used both http://domains.gradwell.com and http://www.easily.co.uk
which are pretty cheap - don't know of any free ones.
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From amit at merlin.legend.org.uk Thu Mar 15 20:00:14 2001
From: amit at merlin.legend.org.uk (Farhan Amit Sattar)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:00:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <F56zbxnB7ZWkKkqTgto00001dc7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103151959030.20175-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
I just buy the domains from them and then transfer the dns accross to my
own name servers. :)
And if it is for someone else put it in their name. The ips tag is still
held by webfusion the parent company of 123-reg.
Farhan
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Ben Fowler wrote:
>=20
> >www.123-reg.co.uk will cost you about =A36 per domain.
> >
> >not tried them myself tho'
>=20
> Do you know of a satisfied customer?
>=20
> No offence, but I have heard serious and insoluble
> problems with the status of a domain where the organisation
> that registered the name for a company actually
> registered it for themselves, and put that company's
> web pages inside one of their frames. This meant
> that the pages cannot be found by search engines.
>=20
> I don't know what happened, or what might happen when
> the company concerned want their name back, but
> they are letting themselves in for a little light
> blackmail.
>=20
> Ben
>=20
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Thu Mar 15 21:06:42 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:06:42
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F26iGbN23Wvg58w1Dxv000023b3@hotmail.com>
>I just buy the domains from them and then transfer the dns accross to my
>own name servers. :)
>
>And if it is for someone else put it in their name. The ips tag is still
>held by webfusion the parent company of 123-reg.
O.K.
Suppose you have the domain AMIT.CO.UK (though the O.P. may not
have wanted a .uk domain), and you are running a nameserver
now authoritative for that domain, from whom is the delegation
that runs from CO.UK to AMIT.CO.UK .
> Domain Name: AMIT.CO.UK
> Registered For: AMIT(Personnel & Training Services) Ltd
> Domain Registered By: GLOBAL
> Registered on 24-Apr-1997.
> Record last updated on 24-Apr-1997.
> Domain servers listed in order:
> BILBO.GLOBALNET.CO.UK 194.126.80.102
> GANDALF.GLOBALNET.CO.UK 194.126.80.101
In this case, if I would expect the server for .UK
(one of the root servers?) to know that BILBO.GLOBALNET.CO.UK
was authoritative for AMIT.CO.UK and presumably GLOBALNET
have a system for setting up things like that. How do you
do it? Will Webfusion insert the necessary information in
the tables of the UK server on your behalf?
Ben.
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From mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au Thu Mar 15 22:01:57 2001
From: mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:01:57 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103160856430.31172-100000@inductor.ieee.uow.edu.au>
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, James Bond wrote:
> We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly into the WWW on
> an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.
>
> I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain names, there
> seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains are
> registered and will then offer you registration at quite a large sum and
> then that would only be for a year or so!!
>
> Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest cost or
> for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly ???
There are a pile of registrars available, and others have given a few and
their experiences with them. As for domain name persistence, here's the way
it works.
When you register a domain, you pay for the right to control that domain for
a period of n years (usually n == 1 || n == 2, but YMMV). Towards the end
of that period, the registrar should approach you with an offer to continue
your registration. You can stay with them if you wish, or you can transfer
the registration to another registrar and they'll handle the renewal
instead.
BY 'control that domain', I mean that you are listed as the controller of
that domain name. That means you can move its authoritative DNS server's
IPs, change technical contact, and all that sort of thing. You can also
transfer control to another party, if you were a domain squatter and were
paid lots of money for it. That's a topic for a whole other rant.
> I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
Hah. You want unuseful? Try NetSol sometime.
- Matt
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 16 09:20:17 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:20:17 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <F26iGbN23Wvg58w1Dxv000023b3@hotmail.com>
References: <F26iGbN23Wvg58w1Dxv000023b3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01031609201701.29546@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Usually, provided you send a faxed/written request using official
letterheaded paper to the domain registration organisation (whicherver)
they can change the IPS Tag or the primary/secondary DNS entries for
you.
I have done this myself in the past when BT registered our domain and
then we moved to INS.
On Thursday 15 March 2001 9:06 pm, Ben Fowler wrote:
> >I just buy the domains from them and then transfer the dns accross
> > to my own name servers. :)
> >
> >And if it is for someone else put it in their name. The ips tag is
> > still held by webfusion the parent company of 123-reg.
>
> O.K.
>
> Suppose you have the domain AMIT.CO.UK (though the O.P. may not
> have wanted a .uk domain), and you are running a nameserver
> now authoritative for that domain, from whom is the delegation
> that runs from CO.UK to AMIT.CO.UK .
>
> > Domain Name: AMIT.CO.UK
> > Registered For: AMIT(Personnel & Training Services) Ltd
> > Domain Registered By: GLOBAL
> > Registered on 24-Apr-1997.
> > Record last updated on 24-Apr-1997.
> > Domain servers listed in order:
> > BILBO.GLOBALNET.CO.UK 194.126.80.102
> > GANDALF.GLOBALNET.CO.UK 194.126.80.101
>
> In this case, if I would expect the server for .UK
> (one of the root servers?) to know that BILBO.GLOBALNET.CO.UK
> was authoritative for AMIT.CO.UK and presumably GLOBALNET
> have a system for setting up things like that. How do you
> do it? Will Webfusion insert the necessary information in
> the tables of the UK server on your behalf?
>
> Ben.
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From nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk Fri Mar 16 09:42:20 2001
From: nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk (Nick Moulsdale)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:42:20 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C4D@SER200.verlaat.de>
Message-ID: <003001c0adfd$65c033c0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Another FREE thought. Sign up to an account with www.netdirect-online.co.uk
as an ordinary user. You may have to go to the Links page, to get to it.
When you have your user name and password and initial "ndo" domain, then
sign up for NDO plus (FREE) and you'll get one free domain. If you want to
move it, they'll charge you a fee, but I've used it for lots of people who
want a free domain name. Or of course you could just pay the £30 to £100 for
the domain you want, and then how you use it is your business :o))
Best of luck
Nick
N.G. Moulsdale FCA
Group Finance Director
Ebi Manufacturing Co Ltd
Sandhill House
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Leeds LS7 2RE
United Kingdom
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of James Bond
> Sent: 15 March 2001 5:11 pm
> To: 'wylug-help@wylug.org.uk'
> Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly
> into the WWW on
> an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.
>
> I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain
> names, there
> seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains are
> registered and will then offer you registration at quite a
> large sum and
> then that would only be for a year or so!!
>
> Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the
> smallest cost or
> for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly ???
>
> I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
>
> James
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
>
From bond at verlaat.de Fri Mar 16 09:41:58 2001
From: bond at verlaat.de (James Bond)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:41:58 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C57@SER200.verlaat.de>
Once I buy the domian will it be mine forever ?? what I mean is will I =
have
the deeds so to speak wherever I choose to sit the domain?
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Palmer [mailto:mjp16@ieee.uow.edu.au]
Sent: Donnerstag, 15. M=E4rz 2001 23:02
To: James Bond
Cc: 'wylug-help@wylug.org.uk'
Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, James Bond wrote:
> We have just crated a webserver and it is plugged directly into the =
WWW on
> an IP given to us by our 2mb provider.=20
>=20
> I now have a dilema as I'm a bit confused about buying domain names, =
there
> seems to be an abyss of places that will search out is domains are
> registered and will then offer you registration at quite a large sum =
and
> then that would only be for a year or so!!
>=20
> Does anyone know where I can register a domain name at the smallest =
cost
or
> for nothing ???? and would I have the domain name indefiantatly ???
There are a pile of registrars available, and others have given a few =
and
their experiences with them. As for domain name persistence, here's =
the way
it works.
When you register a domain, you pay for the right to control that =
domain for
a period of n years (usually n =3D=3D 1 || n =3D=3D 2, but YMMV). =
Towards the end
of that period, the registrar should approach you with an offer to =
continue
your registration. You can stay with them if you wish, or you can =
transfer
the registration to another registrar and they'll handle the renewal
instead.
BY 'control that domain', I mean that you are listed as the controller =
of
that domain name. That means you can move its authoritative DNS =
server's
IPs, change technical contact, and all that sort of thing. You can =
also
transfer control to another party, if you were a domain squatter and =
were
paid lots of money for it. That's a topic for a whole other rant.
> I have looked at internic but it wasnt too useful.
Hah. You want unuseful? Try NetSol sometime.
- Matt
From bpfowler at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 10:35:25 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:35:25
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F71MwVN7miR9Odutox700003469@hotmail.com>
>I just buy the domains from them and then transfer the DNS across to my own
>name servers. :)
... them being webfusion/123-reg ...
What is the drill for transferring the DNS authority
to one's own NS from the company that set it up for you?
Whose NS is the one that delegates to yours?
(Sorry I wasn't clear last time, but Gary's answer is probably
all that the O.P. needed.
Ben
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 11:31:28 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:31:28
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F76h133tYwlib4g3Sv0000034bf@hotmail.com>
>Once I buy the domian will it be mine forever ?? What I mean is will I have
>the deeds so to speak wherever I choose to site the domain?
I would answer 'No' it is not yours forever:
< URL:http://www.nic.uk/ref/afterreg.html> you need
to regularly renew it. Of course you have the right
to renew it and keep on renewing it. The 'Deeds'
(Technical contact, Start of Authority, Mailer
Exchangers et cetera) are controlled by you, but it
is leasehold rather then yours forever.
< URL:http://www.transfer-your.co.uk/faq.html >
< URL:http://www.uk.uu.net/customerservices/support/troubleshooting/dns/ >
< URL:faq/primarydns/ >
< URL:http://auroraweb.co.uk/registration/nicglossary.htm >
< URL:http://www.more.net/consulting/dns.pdf >
< URL:http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200001/msg00175.html>
Ben
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From nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk Fri Mar 16 12:00:12 2001
From: nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk (Nick Moulsdale)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:00:12 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <F76h133tYwlib4g3Sv0000034bf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c0ae10$a8e58de0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Ben
Is there a reason URL links on your replies don't link on a click. IE
Is this a policy decision on your part?
Just curious......
BW
Nick
N.G. Moulsdale FCA
Group Finance Director
Ebi Manufacturing Co Ltd
Sandhill House
82 Meanwood Road
Leeds LS7 2RE
United Kingdom
* 44-(0)113-243-2448
Fax 44-(0)113-243-0504
* Nick@ebi.ndo.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Ben Fowler
> Sent: 16 March 2001 11:31 am
> To: wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
>
>
>
> >Once I buy the domian will it be mine forever ?? What I mean
> is will I have
> >the deeds so to speak wherever I choose to site the domain?
>
> I would answer 'No' it is not yours forever:
> < URL:http://www.nic.uk/ref/afterreg.html> you need
> to regularly renew it. Of course you have the right
> to renew it and keep on renewing it. The 'Deeds'
> (Technical contact, Start of Authority, Mailer
> Exchangers et cetera) are controlled by you, but it
> is leasehold rather then yours forever.
>
> < URL:http://www.transfer-your.co.uk/faq.html >
> <
> URL:http://www.uk.uu.net/customerservices/support/troubleshoot
> ing/dns/ >
> < URL:faq/primarydns/ >
> < URL:http://auroraweb.co.uk/registration/nicglossary.htm >
> < URL:http://www.more.net/consulting/dns.pdf >
> < URL:http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/200001/msg00175.html>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
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From Wills <wills at comp.leeds.ac.uk> Fri Mar 16 12:11:07 2001
From: Wills <wills at comp.leeds.ac.uk> (Wills)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:11:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <000f01c0ae10$a8e58de0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103161207440.14508-100000@cslin-gps>
> Is there a reason URL links on your replies don't link on a click. IE
> Is this a policy decision on your part?
Depends which mail reader you're employing.
I have Pine, which is less picky about the URL being a
substring of some other piece of text. Your reader sees
something immediately before the 'http:' (ie. Ben's 'URL:'),
and this fools the internal make-active-link mechanism.
Wills.
From bpfowler at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 12:22:45 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:22:45
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F108f9hYDkngMUJjw0c0000362d@hotmail.com>
>Is there a reason URL links on your replies don't link on a click. IE
>Is this a policy decision on your part?
>
>Just curious......
> > < URL:http://www.nic.uk/ref/afterreg.html> you need
Definitely meant to.
I thought that I was using the standard form, as in the RFC,
< URL:http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt >.
The policy may be determined by your user agent ...
Ben
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From nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk Fri Mar 16 12:55:03 2001
From: nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk (Nick Moulsdale)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:55:03 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <F108f9hYDkngMUJjw0c0000362d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c0ae18$522553c0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Ah well, you see at work - on the client side only mind you - I use a small
niche market product called Outlook 98 (and 2000), so its obviously my
choice of software thats at fault :o))
On Outlook I think the < URL: bit confuses it, as if I remove that and just
do
http://www.nic.uk/ref/afterreg.html
it appears as a link.
No big deal, I just wondered if there was a specific reason..............
Keep happy.
Incidentally does that link above work on your email client?
Nick
N.G. Moulsdale FCA
Group Finance Director
Ebi Manufacturing Co Ltd
Sandhill House
82 Meanwood Road
Leeds LS7 2RE
United Kingdom
* 44-(0)113-243-2448
Fax 44-(0)113-243-0504
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Ben Fowler
> Sent: 16 March 2001 12:23 pm
> To: wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
>
>
> >Is there a reason URL links on your replies don't link on a click. IE
> >Is this a policy decision on your part?
> >
> >Just curious......
>
> > > < URL:> you need
>
> Definitely meant to.
>
> I thought that I was using the standard form, as in the RFC,
> < URL:http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt >.
>
> The policy may be determined by your user agent ...
>
>
> Ben
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 13:12:19 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:12:19
Subject: [Wylug-help] How to write a web page address was RE: Buying Domain Names
Message-ID: <F122IcVux1Zcn8TtEvz000036c1@hotmail.com>
>... Outlook 98 (and 2000), so its obviously my
>choice of software thats at fault :o))
Why the smiley? What little I know about Outlook suggests
that I don't need to know any more about it.
I have just found this page
<URL: http://www.patents.com/weblaw.htm#card >, and I am wondering
whether I have got the opening delimiter/whitespace wrong.
>Incidentally does that link above work on your email client?
Yes. Delimiting URLs in plain text with whitespace is still
legal in the sense that it works, in context for humans.
You are right if you believe that some user agents
do not always one or other of the commonly used forms correctly.
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 16 15:44:50 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:44:50 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
Message-ID: <01031615445000.29941@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
I'm trying a little experiment. I'm leaving work tonight and will not
return until a week on Monday. I have been instructed by she who must
be obayed that on no account will I contact work in any way, and they
have been instructed likewise.
Assuming that work and I both survive this experiment (it's never
happened before in all the time I've worked here), I'm going to have a
go at doing away with out last remaining Win95 *server* - the network
fax server. I've got HylaFAX installed on a MDK7.2 system, and I have
looked at the HylaFAX web site where it mentions about 6 ways of using
Win95 clients.
Has anyone had any experience with any of these? Which ones should I
try / steer clear of?
Also, does anybody use VNC and KDE without problems?
I have XVnc configured so that when I connect I get the XDM screen and
can log on in the same way that I do if I'm sat at the machine. I can
log on locally without problems, and I can log on through XVnc without
problems.
Unfortunately, I can't do both. If I'm logged in locally and then log
in through XVnc the VNC session is slow, and the K panel and desktop
either don't work at all, or are unreliable.
does anyone have any ideas/suggestions?
--
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may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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From paul.gibbs at bigfoot.com Fri Mar 16 15:57:21 2001
From: paul.gibbs at bigfoot.com (Paul Gibbs)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:57:21 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
Message-ID: <B48BD72901BAD411B52D00902725E98F1595CA@TWEXCHANGESVR>
I've used VNC without problems, but I don't try to log in at two places at
once; perhaps KDE creats some session files and there is some muddle over
which to use.
A solution/suggestion:
Create a different user account to start your KDE/X-session on your local
machine. Then either su to your usual ID and export your display, or start
a browser and login through your browser using VNC, that way you will be
able to view the same session on your remote machines too! VNC supports
multiple logins to the same desktop!
If you are logging on as different users then uh! dunno... sorry for the
schpiel.
Paul.<><
Paul Gibbs
DDI - 01845 521024
Teleware Plc, Station Road, Thirsk, YO7 1PZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Stainburn [SMTP:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:45 PM
To: WYLUG Help
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
Hi all,
I'm trying a little experiment. I'm leaving work tonight and will not
return until a week on Monday. I have been instructed by she who must
be obayed that on no account will I contact work in any way, and they
have been instructed likewise.
Assuming that work and I both survive this experiment (it's never
happened before in all the time I've worked here), I'm going to have a
go at doing away with out last remaining Win95 *server* - the network
fax server. I've got HylaFAX installed on a MDK7.2 system, and I have
looked at the HylaFAX web site where it mentions about 6 ways of using
Win95 clients.
Has anyone had any experience with any of these? Which ones should I
try / steer clear of?
Also, does anybody use VNC and KDE without problems?
I have XVnc configured so that when I connect I get the XDM screen and
can log on in the same way that I do if I'm sat at the machine. I can
log on locally without problems, and I can log on through XVnc without
problems.
Unfortunately, I can't do both. If I'm logged in locally and then log
in through XVnc the VNC session is slow, and the K panel and desktop
either don't work at all, or are unreliable.
does anyone have any ideas/suggestions?
--
Gary Stainburn
[snip]
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 16 16:08:23 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:08:23 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
In-Reply-To: <B48BD72901BAD411B52D00902725E98F1595CA@TWEXCHANGESVR>
References: <B48BD72901BAD411B52D00902725E98F1595CA@TWEXCHANGESVR>
Message-ID: <01031616082302.29941@gary.ringways.co.uk>
On Friday 16 March 2001 3:57 pm, Paul Gibbs wrote:
> I've used VNC without problems, but I don't try to log in at two
> places at once; perhaps KDE creats some session files and there is
> some muddle over which to use.
>
> A solution/suggestion:
> Create a different user account to start your KDE/X-session on your
> local machine. Then either su to your usual ID and export your
> display, or start a browser and login through your browser using VNC,
> that way you will be able to view the same session on your remote
> machines too! VNC supports multiple logins to the same desktop!
>
> If you are logging on as different users then uh! dunno... sorry for
> the schpiel.
Unfortunately, the remote login IS a different user. I use it to give a
win95 using collegue a linux/KDE session on my workstation.
>
> Paul.<><
>
> Paul Gibbs
> DDI - 01845 521024
> Teleware Plc, Station Road, Thirsk, YO7 1PZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Stainburn [SMTP:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:45 PM
> To: WYLUG Help
> Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying a little experiment. I'm leaving work tonight and will
> not return until a week on Monday. I have been instructed by she who
> must be obayed that on no account will I contact work in any way, and
> they have been instructed likewise.
>
> Assuming that work and I both survive this experiment (it's never
> happened before in all the time I've worked here), I'm going to have
> a go at doing away with out last remaining Win95 *server* - the
> network fax server. I've got HylaFAX installed on a MDK7.2 system,
> and I have looked at the HylaFAX web site where it mentions about 6
> ways of using Win95 clients.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with any of these? Which ones should I
> try / steer clear of?
>
> Also, does anybody use VNC and KDE without problems?
>
> I have XVnc configured so that when I connect I get the XDM screen
> and can log on in the same way that I do if I'm sat at the machine.
> I can log on locally without problems, and I can log on through XVnc
> without problems.
>
> Unfortunately, I can't do both. If I'm logged in locally and then
> log in through XVnc the VNC session is slow, and the K panel and
> desktop either don't work at all, or are unreliable.
>
> does anyone have any ideas/suggestions?
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
> [snip]
>
>
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From mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Fri Mar 16 17:57:43 2001
From: mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (Mike Banahan)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:57:43 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
In-Reply-To: <01031615445000.29941@gary.ringways.co.uk>; from gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 03:44:50PM +0000
References: <01031615445000.29941@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010316175743.A25777@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 03:44:50PM +0000, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying a little experiment. I'm leaving work tonight and will not
> return until a week on Monday. I have been instructed by she who must
> be obayed that on no account will I contact work in any way, and they
> have been instructed likewise.
>
> Assuming that work and I both survive this experiment (it's never
> happened before in all the time I've worked here), I'm going to have a
> go at doing away with out last remaining Win95 *server* - the network
> fax server. I've got HylaFAX installed on a MDK7.2 system, and I have
> looked at the HylaFAX web site where it mentions about 6 ways of using
> Win95 clients.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with any of these? Which ones should I
> try / steer clear of?
We have tried versions that scan the generated postscript and try to read
the phone number out of them. It has worked OK in the past but isn't
great. If you can find a *proper* Windows printer driver interface
(and I haven't seen one of those) - one that pops up a Windows window
and prompts for the phone number - that's probably the way to go - if only
someone would write one :(
Hylafax on incoming is fine. We have ours take the fax and stick it on the
Intranet so we can delete the junk faxes without ever seeing paper.
Mike
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From martin at jamaro.org.uk Fri Mar 16 21:07:11 2001
From: martin at jamaro.org.uk (Martin Rowe)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:07:11 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network printing ...revisited
Message-ID: <01031621071106.23571@jamaro>
Hi all
Around this time last year I asked about printing to our network printers
(HP 4050N & 8100N's on a token ring setup) from my Mandrake box. Well a
year later and I've finally got it going, after a passing comment made by
our Ops manager the other day. I had assumed the printers were Windows
shared printers because they appear to hang off one of our NT domain
controllers. I now discover that the thin clients (IBM network stations)
access them through plain lpr. I tried setting them up as a remote
printer and bingo - after two years of running Linux I can finally print
to the network printer at the end of my desk[1] :-)
Now onto my question. The HP 8100's are duplex capable - how do I go
about getting duplexed printouts? I already use the various PostScript
tools (a2ps, psnup, etc) to get multiple pages per sheet, but haven't
come across a duplex instruction. Is there a setting to go in
/etc/printcap (I'm using LPR on Mandrake 7.1) or some other magic I need
to add as a flag to lpr to get it to duplex? I'm assuming I can add
another printer stanza in printcap so I can use lpr -Plp1 for single
sided or lpr -Plp2 for duplex.
Regards, Martin
[1] Now an IBM InfoPrint 8 colour laser - but don't ever buy one. We were
given a couple by IBM when we upgraded our AS/400s last year and I don't
think there's anyone in the department that wouldn't prefer a mono HP
instead.
--
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From pmymc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 19:09:26 2001
From: pmymc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Marc Canals)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:09:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
In-Reply-To: <200103161847.KAA08996@xoommail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103161855350.2539-100000@cslin004>
> I've got HylaFAX installed on a MDK7.2 system, and I have
> looked at the HylaFAX web site where it mentions about 6 ways of using
> Win95 clients.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with any of these? Which ones should I
> try / steer clear of?
Once I installed a HylaFax server on a SuSE linux and
a Response.exe client/server on a Win'95. It worked very well.
Although you have to have SAMBA on your linux server.
You configure SAMBA as if you had a new ps printer.
The 'trick' is to tell SAMBA not to print the doc but
send it to the HylaFax server. (the HylaFax docs tell
how to do that).
HylaFax then contact your response.exe server waiting
on the Windows side and a Win PopUp appears on your screen
where you will write the phone number.
The phone number is sent to HylaFax and the fax is sent.
marcos canals
From pmymc at comp.leeds.ac.uk Fri Mar 16 19:26:33 2001
From: pmymc at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Marc Canals)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:26:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] parting questions
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103161855350.2539-100000@cslin004>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103161921270.2539-100000@cslin004>
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Marc Canals wrote:
> Once I installed a HylaFax server on a SuSE linux and
> a Response.exe client/server on a Win'95. It worked very well.
> Although you have to have SAMBA on your linux server.
sorry, it's actually the script called 'printfax.pl'
who contacts your Win'95 response.exe server, not
HylaFax.
you'll find both programs (response.exe and printfax.pl) in
http://www.boerde.de/~horstf/
marcos canals
From mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au Sun Mar 18 21:25:04 2001
From: mjp16 at ieee.uow.edu.au (Matthew Palmer)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:25:04 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Buying Domain Names
In-Reply-To: <815CB608AD6AD311B62200A0C9CDA61A093C57@SER200.verlaat.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103190823380.12375-100000@inductor.ieee.uow.edu.au>
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, James Bond wrote:
> Once I buy the domian will it be mine forever ?? what I mean is will I have
> the deeds so to speak wherever I choose to sit the domain?
You will be able to control the location of the domain, network wise, for a
period of 1 or 2 years. After that, the registrar should give you the
option of renewing, before it's put out for sale again.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <disclaimer.h>
Matthew Palmer
mjp16@ieee.uow.edu.au
From Help at asthma-help.co.uk Sun Mar 18 19:32:36 2001
From: Help at asthma-help.co.uk (Asthma-Help)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:32:36 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Netscape problems - continue !!
Message-ID: <MABBJIFPHCFGKFKCHNBEMEDOCBAA.Help@asthma-help.co.uk>
I still need help !!!
I can connect to Freeserve - My ISP
but cannot run Netscape - cannot find any web site - just give the following
message
Perhaps there is a problem with your name server?
If your site must use a non-root name server, you
will need to set the SOCKS_NS environment variable
to point at the appropriate name server.
It may (or may not) be necessary to set this
variable, or the SOCK host preference, to the IP
address of the host in question rather than its
name.
Is there anyone in the West Yorkshire area - near Mirfield willing to show
me their ISP settings - I am more than willing to change to another ISP if I
can get it to work !!
Failing this I will sucumb to the notion that Linux IS for nerds/geeks and
stay away ( A good thing I hear some cry !!)
Chris
chris@grayshon-pedley.fsnet.co.uk
chris@L200.org.uk
chris@asthma-help.co.uk
www.L200.org.uk
www.asthma-help.co.uk
From mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Tue Mar 20 10:06:11 2001
From: mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (Mike Banahan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:06:11 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Freesco setup
Message-ID: <20010320100611.A9594@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
After enjoying Simon Wood's talk about Freesco, I installed a firewall
based on it myself. I won't bore you with how I managed to waste three
hours tracking down why the ISA network cards wouldn't work (Doh! when
it asks for the I/O address, remember to type 0x300 not just 300),
or how a faulty port on my hub wasted the entire evening ... because
those apart, the installation was extremely simple and it really
does seem to work.
However, I am concerned - even alarmed - to see that in its default
configuration, a dump of the input and forwarding firewall rules
show explicit holes opened up for addresses 1.1.1.1 and 1.1.1.2.
These are hard-coded into the setup scripts with no comments when
you track down where they come from.
If anyone has any insight into
a) why they are there
b) why I shouldn't remove them
I would welcome the input. My suspicion is that they aren't
malicious, but just leftovers from debugging ... but can
that really be true? I am surely not the only person to notice them.
Cheers,
Mike
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From Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk Tue Mar 20 10:16:00 2001
From: Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk (Simon Wood)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:16:00 -0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] SuSE 7.1 - Connecting X terminal to Gdm
Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB208790565@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
Hello all,
I've been upgrading to SuSE 7.1 and have noticed a glitch with Gdm.
I've setup up xdm so that my second machine can connect and act as
a X-terminal - this works fine. However if I change to using gdm (just
changing DISPLAYMANAGER in rc.config) then the second machine
can no longer connect.
Anyone found and fixed this already?
Simon Wood
From jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk Wed Mar 21 15:09:15 2001
From: jj at comp.leeds.ac.uk (Jim Jackson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:09:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Netscape problems - continue !!
In-Reply-To: <MABBJIFPHCFGKFKCHNBEMEDOCBAA.Help@asthma-help.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0103211506120.1601-100000@cslin120>
You need to know the IP address(es) of your ISP's nameservers, these appear to
be.....
pridns4.svr.pol.co.uk. 1h8m25s IN A 195.92.198.118
pridns1.svr.pol.co.uk. 1h8m25s IN A 195.92.193.4
pridns2.svr.pol.co.uk. 1h8m25s IN A 195.92.195.161
pridns3.svr.pol.co.uk. 1h8m25s IN A 195.92.67.18
so pick a couple of these numbers and put them in your /etc/resolv.conf file.
you will need lines like......
nameserver 195.92.67.18
nameserver 195.92.195.161
delete anyother nameserver lines.
cheers
Jim
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Asthma-Help wrote:
> I still need help !!!
>
> I can connect to Freeserve - My ISP
> but cannot run Netscape - cannot find any web site - just give the following
> message
>
> Perhaps there is a problem with your name server?
> If your site must use a non-root name server, you
> will need to set the SOCKS_NS environment variable
> to point at the appropriate name server.
> It may (or may not) be necessary to set this
> variable, or the SOCK host preference, to the IP
> address of the host in question rather than its
> name.
>
> Is there anyone in the West Yorkshire area - near Mirfield willing to show
> me their ISP settings - I am more than willing to change to another ISP if I
> can get it to work !!
>
> Failing this I will sucumb to the notion that Linux IS for nerds/geeks and
> stay away ( A good thing I hear some cry !!)
>
> Chris
> chris@grayshon-pedley.fsnet.co.uk
> chris@L200.org.uk
> chris@asthma-help.co.uk
> www.L200.org.uk
> www.asthma-help.co.uk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
From howard.close at lineone.net Wed Mar 21 18:38:33 2001
From: howard.close at lineone.net (H)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] re: Netscape prblems continue
Message-ID: <01032118383300.01138@localhost.localdomain>
Does this mean that you actually insert the line "nameserver 195.92.198.118"
or is nameserver just the variable i.e. "pridns4.svr.pol.co.uk.
195.92.198.118"
From howard.close at lineone.net Wed Mar 21 18:40:32 2001
From: howard.close at lineone.net (H)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:40:32 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] re: Netscape problems continue
Message-ID: <01032118383300.01138@localhost.localdomain>
Does this mean that you actually insert the line
"nameserver 195.92.198.118"
or is nameserver just the variable i.e. actually insert
"pridns4.svr.pol.co.uk. 195.92.198.118" ?
From Dave Naylor <difontaine at bigfoot.com> Wed Mar 21 20:23:26 2001
From: Dave Naylor <difontaine at bigfoot.com> (Dave Naylor)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:23:26 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Network Problem
Message-ID: <yam8480.1315.156559648@smtp.demon.co.uk>
Hello
I just upgraded from Mandrake 7.2 to 8.0beta2.. This comes with the 2.42
kernel.
My linux machine sits behind a firewall and until today everything has been
hunkdory. Not now though :(
When I was on 7.2, my ethernet card, an NE2000 compatable, had to have
plug'n'play disabled and I had to manually set the IRQ etc. On 8.0 though
the card was recognised as PNP and was set up during installation.
I can ping the gateway and vice versa, I can connect to the gateway and vice
versa, but if I try and go beyond the gateway it fails. Something happens,
but not what I want. For instance if I try and load a website, as soon as I
hit return there is activity on the gateway modem, which is repeated a
couple of times, but then thats the end of matters. I have set the DNS
server to that of the gateway, as I did in 7.2, but alas to no avail :(
I reckon I'm like 99% there, but there's just something missing.
Help :)
Tara!
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From Dave Naylor <difontaine at bigfoot.com> Thu Mar 22 12:56:30 2001
From: Dave Naylor <difontaine at bigfoot.com> (Dave Naylor)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:56:30 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Re: Network Problem
In-Reply-To: <Navaho-3.0.4-985266470.3300000@greenhead.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <yam8481.1536.154927112@smtp.demon.co.uk>
Hiya Andy
On 22-Mar-01, you wrote about "Re: [Wylug-help] Network Problem"
>AM Odd ... same IP address? Or one that is disallowed on gateway/firewall?
Well, I've found that by disabling the firewall completely everything
returns to normal. Someone elsewhere has advised me that I should open
ports 1024-5000 on the firewall machine, because for some reason
BIND insists on using these ports.
I'm gunna try that tonight.
Cheerio
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From s.patterson at freeuk.com Thu Mar 22 18:32:10 2001
From: s.patterson at freeuk.com (Stephen Patterson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:32:10 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] re: Netscape problems continue
In-Reply-To: <01032118383300.01138@localhost.localdomain>; from howard.close@virgin.net on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:40:32PM +0000
References: <01032118383300.01138@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20010322183210.A441@freeuk.com>
On 21/03, H scribed:
> Does this mean that you actually insert the line
> "nameserver 195.92.198.118"
yes.
> or is nameserver just the variable i.e. actually insert
> "pridns4.svr.pol.co.uk. 195.92.198.118" ?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
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From s.patterson at freeuk.com Sun Mar 25 09:23:12 2001
From: s.patterson at freeuk.com (Stephen Patterson)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:23:12 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Firewalling problems
Message-ID: <20010325092312.A993@localhost>
I'm attempting to build on ipchains firewall, but I've come up against a few
problems
1 ) I blocked everyhting, and can't log into GNOME.
2 ) I had a look at netstat (without a firewall), and all incoming internet
connections (www, smtp, nntp) come in to random port numbers.
My computer is a single PC with a dial up modem connection.
Does anyone know how to get round these problems?
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From richard at sheflug.co.uk Sun Mar 25 12:00:45 2001
From: richard at sheflug.co.uk (Richard)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:00:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Firewalling problems
In-Reply-To: <20010325092312.A993@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103251159210.1394-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
Stephen
> I'm attempting to build on ipchains firewall, but I've come up against a few
> problems
>
> 1 ) I blocked everyhting, and can't log into GNOME.
> 2 ) I had a look at netstat (without a firewall), and all incoming internet
> connections (www, smtp, nntp) come in to random port numbers.
>
> My computer is a single PC with a dial up modem connection.
>
> Does anyone know how to get round these problems?
http://www.noether.freeserve.co.uk
the security page can be very good.
Thanks
Richard
From dave at behemoth.plus.com Sun Mar 25 18:21:33 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Firewalling problems
In-Reply-To: <20010325092312.A993@localhost>
References: <20010325092312.A993@localhost>
Message-ID: <01032517213300.12923@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> I'm attempting to build on ipchains firewall, but I've come up
> against a few problems
>
> 1 ) I blocked everyhting, and can't log into GNOME.
> 2 ) I had a look at netstat (without a firewall), and all incoming
> internet connections (www, smtp, nntp) come in to random port
> numbers.
>
> My computer is a single PC with a dial up modem connection.
>
> Does anyone know how to get round these problems?
Yes, if you don't know how to use ipchains properly (no offense - I
don't fully understand all it's options), then don't try to set them up
yourself! :-)
These are two options you might consider (in addition to those already
suggested). This site:
http://www.linux-firewall-tools.com/linux/firewall/index.html
will let you *generate* an ipchains script - much easier than writing
it yourself. (One note of caution - RedHat a-like distributions
*source* /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall during the bootup proceedure. By
default, there is an "exit 0" at the very last line of any scripts
generated by this site. If you source a script, that script is part of
your current environment, so executing "exit 0" will exit the bootup
shell, causing your machine to hang upon reboot! (Yes, this is from
experience.) The easy option is to remove the "exit 0" from the last
line - the scripts work like a charm after that. :-) )
Alternatively, there is a script called PMFirewall, which will do much
the same thing, except it runs on your local machine. Get it here:
http://www.pmfirewall.com/PMFirewall/
Hope that helps. :-)
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From RobS at viclabs.co.uk Mon Mar 26 12:05:39 2001
From: RobS at viclabs.co.uk (Robert Speed)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:05:39 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Firewalling problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103251159210.1394-100000@sheflug.co.uk>
References: <20010325092312.A993@localhost>
Message-ID: <1A92410220A@viclabs.co.uk>
> > 2 ) I had a look at netstat (without a firewall), and all incoming
> > internet connections (www, smtp, nntp) come in to random port
> > numbers.
It's more likely that you're making the requests.
Ergo, the stack is picking a random local port, which is correct.
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From bpfowler at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 20:23:37 2001
From: bpfowler at hotmail.com (Ben Fowler)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:23:37
Subject: [Wylug-help] Packet routing firewall was Re: Can I do this...help me,!! Im a newbie!!!
Message-ID: <F26vjTZUl3WCX58XmG3000043b8@hotmail.com>
> the setup I would like to implement is.
>
>Linux based machine acting as a packet routing firewall with a minimum of
>two network cards
>
>...
>Want to do reverse NAT on the virtual IP numbers so that each virtual IP
>number points to an internal
>machine, thus allowing us fully control of network ports on each internal
>machine.
Did you get an answer to this? I think that it is "Yes" & is built-in
to the 2.4 kernel. I don't know how to set it up though. It may
be simpler than using ipchains though.
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From amit at merlin.legend.org.uk Tue Mar 27 03:22:00 2001
From: amit at merlin.legend.org.uk (Farhan Amit Sattar)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:22:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
hello,
I was wondering if anyone could help. basically i am trying to create a
server status page using ssi and html. The problem is I want to write a
shell script that connects to a tcp port and if it can outputs a value to
a file and if it cannot outputs a different value to the file. Now I can
get the syntax for the output. But how do I get it to check for example
port 80 or 23 etc from a shell script? (theses shell scripts will be
placed in the cron.minute)
thanks in advance
Amit
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:29:13 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:29:13 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <01032709291300.30243@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi Amit,
I don't think you can do this directly from a shell script.
There are two alternatives tho,
1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and return
an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
On Tuesday 27 March 2001 2:22 am, Farhan Amit Sattar wrote:
> hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could help. basically i am trying to create
> a server status page using ssi and html. The problem is I want to
> write a shell script that connects to a tcp port and if it can
> outputs a value to a file and if it cannot outputs a different value
> to the file. Now I can get the syntax for the output. But how do I
> get it to check for example port 80 or 23 etc from a shell script?
> (theses shell scripts will be placed in the cron.minute)
>
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Amit
>
>
>
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:29:56 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:29:56 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <01032709291300.30243@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi Amit,
I don't think you can do this directly from a shell script.
There are two alternatives tho,
1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and return
an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
On Tuesday 27 March 2001 2:22 am, Farhan Amit Sattar wrote:
> hello,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could help. basically i am trying to create
> a server status page using ssi and html. The problem is I want to
> write a shell script that connects to a tcp port and if it can
> outputs a value to a file and if it cannot outputs a different value
> to the file. Now I can get the syntax for the output. But how do I
> get it to check for example port 80 or 23 etc from a shell script?
> (theses shell scripts will be placed in the cron.minute)
>
>
> thanks in advance
>
> Amit
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Mar 27 10:47:04 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:47:04 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
Message-ID: <01032709470401.30419@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
does anyone have a Fujitsu MPB3064AT 6.4GB HD that I could borrow the
circuit board from.
I have a poorly one here that I need to get working long enough to lift
the data off, and it sounds like it's either the circuit board itself,
or it's the power supply to the head motor that's faulty
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From dave at behemoth.plus.com Tue Mar 27 13:07:06 2001
From: dave at behemoth.plus.com (David Hassett)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:07:06 +0000
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <01032709291300.30243@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103270319320.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk> <01032709291300.30243@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01032712070600.04820@behemoth.desktop.net>
You wrote:
> Hi Amit,
>
> I don't think you can do this directly from a shell script.
Not *strictly* true, although the support is limited. You can use
something like this to get html off port 80 (and you could modify it
for any other port if you were so inclined)
--------------------------8<----------------------------
#!/bin/bash
(($#<2)) && echo usage: $0 ip-address path {port} >&2 && return 2
exec 3<>/dev/tcp/${1}/${3:-80}
cat 1>&3 <<EOF
GET ${2} HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*
Accept-Language: en-us
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0
Host: $1
Connection: Keep-Alive
EOF
cat 0<&3
---------------------------8<----------------------------
Note that this only works with recent versions of bash (2.04) and with
ksh (where bash "borrowed" the idea from ;-)).
> There are two alternatives tho,
>
> 1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
Definitely the best option if you can, but it may not be available (or
Amit enjoys making like his difficult. ;-))
> 2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and
> return an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
Yerruh! ;-)
Cheers,
Dave. :-)
From mcanals at linuxfreemail.com Tue Mar 27 12:42:52 2001
From: mcanals at linuxfreemail.com (mcanals@linuxfreemail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:42:52 -0800
Subject: [Wylug-help] virtual hosting on a roxen web server
Message-ID: <200103271142.f2RBgqG09541@softail2.netfx-2000.net>
hello!
i have a Roxen web server and i want to set up
virtual hosting for my 3 domain names:
domain1.com
hello.domain1.com
domain2.com
which point to my web server.
how would you do it so that when someone type the
three different URL's they get different web pages
from my same web server (remember that my sever is
Roxen, no Apache).
thanks!
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From amit at merlin.legend.org.uk Tue Mar 27 13:57:34 2001
From: amit at merlin.legend.org.uk (Farhan Amit Sattar)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:57:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <01032712070600.04820@behemoth.desktop.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103271350080.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
> > There are two alternatives tho,
> >
> > 1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
>
> Definitely the best option if you can, but it may not be available (or
> Amit enjoys making like his difficult. ;-))
>
Perl is available...but...how on earth would you do it in perl then? :)
> > 2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and
> > return an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
>
> Yerruh! ;-)
Hmms I dont even wanna think back to when I programmed in C last hehehehe
:)
thanks in advance
amit
> Cheers,
>
> Dave. :-)
>
>
>
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Mar 27 14:24:21 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:24:21 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103271350080.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103271350080.32289-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <01032714242103.30868@gary.ringways.co.uk>
On Tuesday 27 March 2001 1:57 pm, Farhan Amit Sattar wrote:
> > > There are two alternatives tho,
> > >
> > > 1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
> >
> > Definitely the best option if you can, but it may not be available
> > (or Amit enjoys making like his difficult. ;-))
>
> Perl is available...but...how on earth would you do it in perl then?
> :)
Have a look at
http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/perlipc.html#A%20Webget%20Client
for an example webget perl script. This app opens a tcp connection on
port 80 and gets the specified file(s). You could run it as-is and get
index.html to prove that the web server is actually serving, or you
could simply remove the code between 'unless' and 'close' to only
check that it is responding
>
> > > 2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and
> > > return an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
> >
> > Yerruh! ;-)
>
> Hmms I dont even wanna think back to when I programmed in C last
> hehehehe
>
> :)
>
> thanks in advance
>
> amit
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Tue Mar 27 16:57:23 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:23 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
In-Reply-To: <01032709470401.30419@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <01032709470401.30419@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01032716572300.01442@gary.ringways.co.uk>
I've tried a circuit board from another drive and still can't access
the disk - has anyone got suggestions where I can go next?
On Tuesday 27 March 2001 10:47 am, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> does anyone have a Fujitsu MPB3064AT 6.4GB HD that I could borrow the
> circuit board from.
>
> I have a poorly one here that I need to get working long enough to
> lift the data off, and it sounds like it's either the circuit board
> itself, or it's the power supply to the head motor that's faulty
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From paul.gibbs at bigfoot.com Tue Mar 27 17:17:55 2001
From: paul.gibbs at bigfoot.com (Paul Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:17:55 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
Message-ID: <B48BD72901BAD411B52D00902725E98F1595D9@TWEXCHANGESVR>
Errr. Commercial companies will give you a price-per-file if you know what
you need or... cough... we paid about ?1000 just to recover the whole
disk... I can't remember who the company was though... Google returns
several pages specialising in such things, all at a price, and many will
give you a free quote! ...of corse by then they will be holding your
hard-disc, and you to ransom.
If you have a clean room you could lift the platter into a new drive.
All depend how much your data is worth :-(
Been there, done that now we backup more frequently, and rotate the backup
tapes less frequently.
Paul Gibbs
DDI - 01845 521024
Teleware Plc, Station Road, Thirsk, YO7 1PZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Stainburn [SMTP:gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 4:57 PM
To: WYLUG Help
Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
I've tried a circuit board from another drive and still can't access
the disk - has anyone got suggestions where I can go next?
On Tuesday 27 March 2001 10:47 am, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> does anyone have a Fujitsu MPB3064AT 6.4GB HD that I could borrow the
> circuit board from.
>
> I have a poorly one here that I need to get working long enough to
> lift the data off, and it sounds like it's either the circuit board
> itself, or it's the power supply to the head motor that's faulty
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From Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk Wed Mar 28 08:49:12 2001
From: Simon.Wood at pace.co.uk (Simon Wood)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:49:12 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] PPP woes with laptop.
Message-ID: <44632C76B97BD211AF6B00805FADCAB20879058A@exchange.saltaire.pace.co.uk>
Hello,
I'm attempting to get a friend's 486 4MByte laptop working with Linux, after a fair amount of flapping (which basically involved taking the disk out and putting it in another machine with more memory) I've got Debian installed.
My next challenge is to get the thing connecting to the outside world. At present we are attempting to connect via the serial port direct to my machine via PPP.
Note this works when the disk is in a normal desktop (albeit with far more memory), so I don't think it is software or cabling related.
The set-up is that I'm using the same negation scheme as when I connect to my WinCE palm-top, so my main machine thinks the laptop is the palm-top.
All I see on the main machine is the 'Sent LCP' and no replies, and it times out saying that the serial port is not 8 bit clean. On the laptop I see nothing other than PPP starting and aborting messages. Both log files contain no useful information, even with 'debug' enabled.
I tried what the PPP how-to suggests in the debugging section. I know I'm getting the negatioing working, pppd is definitely running on both machines and increasing LCP count just prolongs the failure....
I even reduced the speeds down to 9600, but this didn't change the results.
In a last ditch attempt I swapped roles and had the laptop connecting to the palm-top. I have not got debug from the palm-top (why would M$ give you debug information??), but the laptop reported the following.
(This may not be exactly the same fault, but the other situation produced no useful debug)
--- start listing -------------------------------------------------------------
Negotiating link... please wait
Accepted. Starting pppd
Serial connection established.
Using interface ppp0
Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x243712bb> <pcomp> <accomp>]
rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <pcomp> <accomp>]
LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Connection terminated.
--- end listing --------------------------------------------------------------
Anyone got any ideas of what I should try next?
Simon Wood
From nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk Wed Mar 28 10:14:23 2001
From: nick at ebi.ndo.co.uk (Nick Moulsdale)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:14:23 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
In-Reply-To: <01032716572300.01442@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002e01c0b767$7b867de0$0100a8c0@Nick>
A thought. A friend had exactly the same drive and he threw it at me
(literally) and I put it in my Dell GX1 and it ran OK, although it
complained bitterly - something to do with S.M.A.R.T. I downloaded a
diagnostic disk, which told me no more. Then I bought for $69.95 Norton
Ghost from Symantec. Its a cloning program and it runs off a self booting
floppy. The bumf implies it can read poorly HD's and either write everything
it can read to a larger or similar sized disk.
Certainly the cloning works brilliantly, I cloned a 1 gig drive onto a 6 gig
drive in 10 minutes.
So - you could try the disk in my GX1, or we could try using Ghost. I assume
you are local to Leeds?
Any help?
Nick
N.G. Moulsdale FCA
Group Finance Director
Ebi Manufacturing Co Ltd
Sandhill House
82 Meanwood Road
Leeds LS7 2RE
United Kingdom
Office 44-(0)113-243-2448
Fax 44-(0)113-243-0504
email Nick@ebi.ndo.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> Sent: 27 March 2001 4:57 pm
> To: WYLUG Help
> Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
>
>
> I've tried a circuit board from another drive and still can't access
> the disk - has anyone got suggestions where I can go next?
>
> On Tuesday 27 March 2001 10:47 am, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > does anyone have a Fujitsu MPB3064AT 6.4GB HD that I could
> borrow the
> > circuit board from.
> >
> > I have a poorly one here that I need to get working long enough to
> > lift the data off, and it sounds like it's either the circuit board
> > itself, or it's the power supply to the head motor that's faulty
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
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> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Wed Mar 28 10:21:50 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:21:50 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
In-Reply-To: <002e01c0b767$7b867de0$0100a8c0@Nick>
References: <002e01c0b767$7b867de0$0100a8c0@Nick>
Message-ID: <01032810215002.02996@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Thanks one and all,
However, I've managed to get off the data that I needed.
It turned out that one of my collegue's workstations had the same model
drive (2 revisions out), so when he went home I borrowed the circuit
board off his drive.
1st time round, I just put the two drives side-by-side and moved the
ribbon cable. This didn't work.
2nd time round, I atually removed to two circuit boards and mounted the
good one onto the poorly drive properly.
Although the data transfer was very slow, it did manage to draw off all
the data I needed, and the data *looks* okay.
(suppose I should have backed up my collegue's data first, but eh! no
harm done)
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 10:14 am, Nick Moulsdale wrote:
> A thought. A friend had exactly the same drive and he threw it at me
> (literally) and I put it in my Dell GX1 and it ran OK, although it
> complained bitterly - something to do with S.M.A.R.T. I downloaded a
> diagnostic disk, which told me no more. Then I bought for $69.95
> Norton Ghost from Symantec. Its a cloning program and it runs off a
> self booting floppy. The bumf implies it can read poorly HD's and
> either write everything it can read to a larger or similar sized
> disk.
>
> Certainly the cloning works brilliantly, I cloned a 1 gig drive onto
> a 6 gig drive in 10 minutes.
>
> So - you could try the disk in my GX1, or we could try using Ghost. I
> assume you are local to Leeds?
>
> Any help?
>
> Nick
>
> N.G. Moulsdale FCA
> Group Finance Director
> Ebi Manufacturing Co Ltd
> Sandhill House
> 82 Meanwood Road
> Leeds LS7 2RE
> United Kingdom
> Office 44-(0)113-243-2448
> Fax 44-(0)113-243-0504
> email Nick@ebi.ndo.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk
> > [mailto:wylug-help-admin@wylug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Gary Stainburn
> > Sent: 27 March 2001 4:57 pm
> > To: WYLUG Help
> > Subject: Re: [Wylug-help] Fujitsu MPB3064AT
> >
> >
> > I've tried a circuit board from another drive and still can't
> > access the disk - has anyone got suggestions where I can go next?
> >
> > On Tuesday 27 March 2001 10:47 am, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > does anyone have a Fujitsu MPB3064AT 6.4GB HD that I could
> >
> > borrow the
> >
> > > circuit board from.
> > >
> > > I have a poorly one here that I need to get working long enough
> > > to lift the data off, and it sounds like it's either the circuit
> > > board itself, or it's the power supply to the head motor that's
> > > faulty
> >
> > --
> > Gary Stainburn
> >
> > This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
> > may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> > and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers
> > Act, 2000
> >
> >
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> > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
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and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 30 10:29:13 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] suid perl problem with $ENV{PATH}
Message-ID: <01033010291300.07039@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Hi all,
We (didn't) go live this morning generating the plain paper statements.
We tried but it didn't work - hope someone can help
The setup is this:
We have user 'live' who owns all the data and program files.
I've been using this user to do all my development and testing and all
works fine.
The only change I made to the existing system was to replace the COBOL
program that used to call 'lpr' with a perl script which does the
convert to postscript and then calls 'lpr' itself specifying the new
postscript file.
I put it all live last night, and tested it again - all was fine.
This morning I got phone calls (very early) saying that people couldn't
print anything.
When a normal user logs in, they do so using their own user ID, and
then run a program that is suid 'live' to enter the application.
Everything then works fine, and when they go to print, the perl script
is run. The script runs fine until it gets to the lines:
print STDERR "lpr -s -P$queue $fname\n";
system "lpr -s -P$queue $fname";
at which point I get on STDERR:
lpr -s -PNPL4 /rwsys1/datasets/int/DOCUMENT/ICL30864.LP
Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at
/rwsys1/production/tp/RELEASE/rwlpr line 56.
The lpr command doesn't get run so nothing is printed.
Can anyone tell me how I make perl ignore this warning and carry on,
prefereably without printer the error msg too.
--
Gary Stainburn
This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk Fri Mar 30 10:54:45 2001
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:54:45 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] suid perl problem with $ENV{PATH}
In-Reply-To: <01033010291300.07039@gary.ringways.co.uk>
References: <01033010291300.07039@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01033010544501.07039@gary.ringways.co.uk>
As usual, having posted a msg, I then went on to find what I'd been
missing. I've looked at the 'perlsec' man page and it goes on about
automatically turning on taint when suid, and tainted scalars and why
it won't let you use them.
All this sounds great, and makes for a very well secured environment to
run perl scripts. So how do I turn it off?
On Friday 30 March 2001 10:29 am, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We (didn't) go live this morning generating the plain paper
> statements. We tried but it didn't work - hope someone can help
>
> The setup is this:
>
> We have user 'live' who owns all the data and program files.
> I've been using this user to do all my development and testing and
> all works fine.
>
> The only change I made to the existing system was to replace the
> COBOL program that used to call 'lpr' with a perl script which does
> the convert to postscript and then calls 'lpr' itself specifying the
> new postscript file.
>
> I put it all live last night, and tested it again - all was fine.
>
> This morning I got phone calls (very early) saying that people
> couldn't print anything.
>
> When a normal user logs in, they do so using their own user ID, and
> then run a program that is suid 'live' to enter the application.
> Everything then works fine, and when they go to print, the perl
> script is run. The script runs fine until it gets to the lines:
>
> print STDERR "lpr -s -P$queue $fname\n";
> system "lpr -s -P$queue $fname";
>
> at which point I get on STDERR:
>
> lpr -s -PNPL4 /rwsys1/datasets/int/DOCUMENT/ICL30864.LP
> Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at
> /rwsys1/production/tp/RELEASE/rwlpr line 56.
>
> The lpr command doesn't get run so nothing is printed.
> Can anyone tell me how I make perl ignore this warning and carry on,
> prefereably without printer the error msg too.
--
Gary Stainburn
This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
From d.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 13:09:10 2001
From: d.l.whiteley at ee.leeds.ac.uk (Dave Whiteley)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:09:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Oracle and Perl
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010330130910.d.l.whiteley@ee.leeds.ac.uk>
Anyone?...
I am trying to use Perl to communicate with an Oracle system. I have
got the DBD::Oracle module from CPAN but am having difficulty
installing it,
It requires an ORACLE_HOME envvar, pointing at my local Oracle
installation, but I do not have Oracle installed. (I am downloading it
SLOWLY! at the moment.)
Reading the documentation it seems that I might be able to do all I
need with an "oracle.mk" file. Anyone know about this? Do I need an
oracle installation to get a valid oracle.mk file?
OR
An alternative route is to use DBI::ODBC to talk to Oracle. Again
this seems to need a local driver. Is this available, or is it part
of Oracle?
Dave
----------------------------------
E-Mail: Dave Whiteley <d.l.whiteley@ee.leeds.ac.uk>
Date: 30-Mar-2001
Time: 12:57:58
Phone: 0113 233 2059
Missing .sig (I am trying to give them up.)
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From daw at chemistry.leeds.ac.uk Fri Mar 30 13:18:37 2001
From: daw at chemistry.leeds.ac.uk (David A Waller)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] suid perl problem with $ENV{PATH} (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.05.10103301317150.16234-100000@chmsun9>
Whoops I sent this to Gary earlier without cc to wylug help
David
-
Gary
Your PATH comes from the enviroment and is therefore tainted, when you
try to run another program it complains in this way. You need to
declare ENV{'PATH'} to include your lpr command etc. See the Camel book
for details (p565 in 3rd Ed)
Regards
David
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We (didn't) go live this morning generating the plain paper statements.
> We tried but it didn't work - hope someone can help
>
> The setup is this:
>
> We have user 'live' who owns all the data and program files.
> I've been using this user to do all my development and testing and all
> works fine.
>
> The only change I made to the existing system was to replace the COBOL
> program that used to call 'lpr' with a perl script which does the
> convert to postscript and then calls 'lpr' itself specifying the new
> postscript file.
>
> I put it all live last night, and tested it again - all was fine.
>
> This morning I got phone calls (very early) saying that people couldn't
> print anything.
>
> When a normal user logs in, they do so using their own user ID, and
> then run a program that is suid 'live' to enter the application.
> Everything then works fine, and when they go to print, the perl script
> is run. The script runs fine until it gets to the lines:
>
> print STDERR "lpr -s -P$queue $fname\n";
> system "lpr -s -P$queue $fname";
>
> at which point I get on STDERR:
>
> lpr -s -PNPL4 /rwsys1/datasets/int/DOCUMENT/ICL30864.LP
> Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at
> /rwsys1/production/tp/RELEASE/rwlpr line 56.
>
> The lpr command doesn't get run so nothing is printed.
> Can anyone tell me how I make perl ignore this warning and carry on,
> prefereably without printer the error msg too.
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
> This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wylug-help mailing list
> Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
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School of Chemistry fax 0113 233 6563
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From ncemm at welcom.co.uk Sat Mar 31 11:41:48 2001
From: ncemm at welcom.co.uk (ncemm@welcom.co.uk)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Oracle and Perl
Message-ID: <TFSBZKRB@welcom.co.uk>
Hello,
I have never used Perl (it's on my list of thngs to do =2E=2E=2E), but I
may be able to shed a little light on some other items=2E
> It requires an ORACLE_HOME envar, pointng at my local Oracle
> installation, but I do not have Oracle installed=2E (I am downloading
> it SLOWLY! at the moment=2E)
$ORACLE_HOME or %ORACLE_HOME% (depending on which platform you're
using) is the top-level directory of your Oracle installation=2E
Beneath it are the network, dbs, rdbms and bin directories etc=2E
Oracle allow free download of their software from the OTN site
with a single user, non-commercial, developer only license=2E Depending
upon the version you're downloading, it is between 100MB and 600MB
in size=2E
> An alternative route is to use DBI::ODBC to talk to Oracle=2E Again
> this seems to need a local driver=2E Is this available, or is it
> part of Oracle?
An ODBC driver is provided as part of the Oracle download=2E It is
included as part of the default server and client install when
installing on a Windows platform=2E Current version is 2=2E5, I think=2E
Personally, I have had very little other than grief with ODBC and
choose to stick with SQLNet where possible=2E
Either way, you will need to add an SQLNet alias (using the Easy
Config tool is handy if you're not familiar with the TNSNAMES=2EORA
file)=2E
With the advent of Oracle 8, the Oracle Universal Installer was
rewritten in Java=2E A side effect of this is that, with some
installs, you need more memory to install the server software
than to run the Oracle server itself =2E=2E=2E
I believe that the necessary JRE (required to run the installer)
is included in the download if you're using a *NIX platform=2E
Hope this little bit of info helps=2E If you need any further help
in installing and creating the Oracle Server then let me know=2E
---
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of the sender=2E
From amit at merlin.legend.org.uk Sat Mar 31 12:57:30 2001
From: amit at merlin.legend.org.uk (Farhan Amit Sattar)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:57:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] shell scripting
In-Reply-To: <01032714242103.30868@gary.ringways.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10103311247280.12485-100000@merlin.legend.org.uk>
FYI: Got it working using perl and ssi. and a shell script to cron it
every 5 mins.
results can be seen at http://merlin.legend.org.uk/status/
best wishes
amit
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Gary Stainburn wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 March 2001 1:57 pm, Farhan Amit Sattar wrote:
> > > > There are two alternatives tho,
> > > >
> > > > 1) use Perl which does have TCP/IP support
> > >
> > > Definitely the best option if you can, but it may not be available
> > > (or Amit enjoys making like his difficult. ;-))
> >
> > Perl is available...but...how on earth would you do it in perl then?
> > :)
>
> Have a look at
> http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/perlipc.html#A%20Webget%20Client
>
> for an example webget perl script. This app opens a tcp connection on
> port 80 and gets the specified file(s). You could run it as-is and get
> index.html to prove that the web server is actually serving, or you
> could simply remove the code between 'unless' and 'close' to only
> check that it is responding
>
> >
> > > > 2) write a C prog inside your shell script to do the TCP/IP and
> > > > return an exit code to give the success/fail indicator
> > >
> > > Yerruh! ;-)
> >
> > Hmms I dont even wanna think back to when I programmed in C last
> > hehehehe
> >
> > :)
> >
> > thanks in advance
> >
> > amit
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Dave. :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wylug-help mailing list
> > > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wylug-help mailing list
> > Wylug-help@wylug.org.uk
> > http://list.wylug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wylug-help
>
> --
> Gary Stainburn
>
> This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
> may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
> and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000
>
>
From mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk Sat Mar 31 19:15:25 2001
From: mikeb at gbdirect.co.uk (Mike Banahan)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:15:25 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Source code printing
Message-ID: <20010331191525.A22844@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
Hmm - I find I have to go off on hols and read a great screed
of source code whilst away. Years ago I'd have done something
like
pr *.h *.cpp | lpr -Pwhatever
and got a usefully formatted line-printer listing on fanfold
paper.
Nowadays our printers are all A4 paper and capable of much prettier
output.
Does anyone know of a tool that can sensibly format C++ source
so that it can be chucked at Ghostscript or LaTeX or whatever
and give pleasing results? Or should I revitalise that box
of fanfold and the ancient Epson dot-matrix device?
Suggestions would be most welcome (though reading thousands
of lines on holiday isn't my number 1 priority in the pleasure
stakes)!
Cheers,
Mike
--
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Tel 01274 772277 Fax 01274 772281
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From alan.nospam at glaramara.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 31 19:47:49 2001
From: alan.nospam at glaramara.freeserve.co.uk (Alan J. Wylie)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:47:49 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Source code printing
In-Reply-To: <20010331191525.A22844@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
References: <20010331191525.A22844@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15046.9813.396097.690706@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk>
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 19:15:25 +0100, Mike Banahan <mikeb@gbdirect.co.uk> said:
> Does anyone know of a tool that can sensibly format C++ source so
> that it can be chucked at Ghostscript or LaTeX or whatever and give
> pleasing results? Or should I revitalise that box of fanfold and the
> ancient Epson dot-matrix device?
1) a2ps - http://www.inf.enst.fr/~demaille/a2ps/
2) emacs, Tools->Print->Postscript Print Buffer
Both can parse and pretty-print (fontify) e.g. C source files,
print in multiple columns, etc.
--
Alan J. Wylie http://www.glaramara.freeserve.co.uk/
"Perfection [in design] is achieved not when there is nothing left to add,
but rather when there is nothing left to take away."
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
From Smylers at stripey.com Sat Mar 31 20:56:02 2001
From: Smylers at stripey.com (Smylers@stripey.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:56:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Wylug-help] Source code printing
In-Reply-To: <15046.9813.396097.690706@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103311446370.19345-100000@No2.NetMegs.com>
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Alan J. Wylie wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a tool that can sensibly format C++ source ...
>
> 1) a2ps - http://www.inf.enst.fr/~demaille/a2ps/
`Enscript' also does this:
http://ukms.linuxberg.com/conhtml/preview/8210.html
I'm sure that at some point I had a reason for prefering `Enscript' over
`A2PS' (or was it t'other way round?), but I can't remember it any
more ...
Smylers
From Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> Sat Mar 31 22:20:09 2001
From: Frank Shute <shute at esperance.demon.co.uk> (Frank Shute)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:20:09 +0100
Subject: [Wylug-help] Source code printing
In-Reply-To: <20010331191525.A22844@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>; from mikeb@gbdirect.co.uk on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 07:15:25PM +0100
References: <20010331191525.A22844@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20010331222009.A2079@peach.veggie.com>
On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 07:15:25PM +0100, Mike Banahan wrote:
>
> Hmm - I find I have to go off on hols and read a great screed
> of source code whilst away. Years ago I'd have done something
> like
>
> pr *.h *.cpp | lpr -Pwhatever
>
> and got a usefully formatted line-printer listing on fanfold
> paper.
>
> Nowadays our printers are all A4 paper and capable of much prettier
> output.
>
> Does anyone know of a tool that can sensibly format C++ source
> so that it can be chucked at Ghostscript or LaTeX or whatever
> and give pleasing results? Or should I revitalise that box
> of fanfold and the ancient Epson dot-matrix device?
>
> Suggestions would be most welcome (though reading thousands
> of lines on holiday isn't my number 1 priority in the pleasure
> stakes)!
Here's a LaTeX template to format the text nicely and provide line
numbering if you want it:
<----------------------------------------------------------->
\documentclass[10pt,a4paper]{article}
\usepackage{geometry}
\usepackage{palatino}
\usepackage{moreverb}
\geometry{body={15.5cm,23.5cm}, top=1in, left=2.75cm, nohead}
\begin{document}
% number every 2nd line starting at 3
\begin{listing}[2]{3}
/********************************
This program prints 'hello world'
********************************/
#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
printf("Hello world\n");
return (0);
}
\end{listing}
% Instead of using \begin{listing} etc.
% use: \listinginput[2]{3}{/home/frank/hello.c}
\end{document}
<---------------------------------------------------------->
The \listinginput is your best bet, I did it the other way to produce
compilable LaTeX source.
Things you can easily change:
The margins by playing around with the \geometry declaration.
xdvi /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/geometry/geometry.dvi
for more details.
The point size of the text in the \documentclass declaration: 10,11 or
12
and you might also want to have a look at:
xdvi /usr/share/texmf/doc/latex/styles/moreverb.dvi
which gives the full lowdown on various listing environments.
To create a dvi do this with the above code:
$ latex src.tex
which can then be viewed with xdvi
To then print:
$ dvips src.dvi
If you'd prefer it as pdf:
$ pdflatex src.tex
Probably best off knocking up a small shell script to automate some of
these procedures if you've got a lot to do.
Another tip. Do:
export TEXINPUTS=/home/mike/src_files
or similar, then you don't need to give it the full path to your C++
source files.
Happy reading! I'll stick with the dross they sell at the airports for
my holiday reading ;-)
--
Frank
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