[Cumbria] My Word!!!

[Ken Hough]

Erm, no. Since its still an idea of limited appeal. I don't mind

>>>>helping, but an entire night of it?  And not being able to socialise
>>>>properly ?
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>>>>
Desktop  --  Limited appeal? I realy feel that some of you guys are on a 
different planet from me  --  and from newbies and potential Linux users.
If your priorities are to socailise, then perhaps you're attending the 
wrong meetings.

Ken

>>>This isn't exactly in the spirit of the LUG.
>>>
Here!  Here!

Ken

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>>I may be misguided, but I thought the whole point of this Linux User
>>Group was to help ALL people who contributed. I have noted that Ken
>>Hough is a very active member of this list and his wishes should be
>>given more consideration and NOT shouted down.
>>
Thanks for that.  It's clearly not just my wishes. We've already lost 
one interested user!

Ken

>>DT environments should be discussed within the group, as should the
>>use of polymorphic inheritance in classes within the Linux kernel.
>>
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I wish I understood about 'polymorphic inheritance in clsses 
within...............'.  Maybe one day I will.  If we have much of this 
within a ' normal' meeting, you won't see newbies / beginners for dust.

It it wasn't for users and their desktop PCs, most of you guys wouldn't 
have jobs.

Seriously, I believe we need to figure out who wants what.  There is 
clearly a split within the group.

----   Those who are small scale users or potential users of Linux who 
want to use their PCs do do specific tasks. This might or might not 
involve networking  and could be perhaps be described as amateur usage, 
but might lead on to other things.

----   Those who are primarily interested in large scale system 
management and already have considerable knowledge in this area. These 
guys are mainly professionals who might or might not use PCs for spare 
time / hobby purposes.

I believe that the second group should have a long term interest in 
getting as many people as possible into the Linux scene and hence out of 
the problems and costs associated with MS systems, but that doesn't seem 
to be the case here.  I learnt from my old post-grad suppervisor that 
the best way to learn a subject is to teach it.
That way you also learn about dificulties that others have in understanding.

It's fun to have a bit of banter re pros and cons of various distros, 
desktops, etc  --- but only if you know whats going on. It seems to me 
though, the balance is too much on this side rather than anything 
contructive / helpful.  This is supposed to be a Linux User Group where 
one might reasonably expect to find help and encouragement.

I'm presently suscribed to a Linux Email help site 
(suse-linux-e@suse.com  --  typically in excess of 150 postings per day) 
where there is a fair amount of banter, but also a lot of help and 
encouragement.  Here, a lot of very knowledgable people are happy to 
spend time helping others. Any bad manners are quickly jumped on. The 
atmosphere is, I believe, more positive and constructive than that which 
prevails here. I've had help from places as far afield as Austalia. I 
like to think that I have contributed by feeding back my results and 
observations.  Even the 'experts' don't know it all.

I do want this group to succeed, but unless we get sorted out , I doubt 
it will.

Comments, gentlemen (and ladies if any are out there) please.


Ken Hough