[sclug] Follow from last nights meeting (12/3/03)

[Roland Turner]

{{ Clearing out old email; I really had meant to reply to this
earlier... }}

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 09:31:16AM -0000, Leon Ward wrote:

> As promised, here are a few links to what was discussed.
> 
> o The people I have just got a dedicated host from..
> http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/static/server;jsessionid=4168A45FB2CF4D8B562A38C6
> F5ED3BB8.TC33?__frame=_top

Hmm, most interesting. I wonder how long they'll be able to keep
it up at that price.

Bytemark's UML VMs can be found at:

	http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/hosting/vms.php

Initially I thought of this as a cheaper compromise to paying for
a whole machine (before I was aware that they were available for
GBP29/month!), but actually there are some compelling benefits:

- When the hardware breaks, the hoster moves your VM to working
  hardware before you're even aware that there's a problem.

- If you stuff the installation (e.g. disable sshd, replace the
  kernel but forget to run lilo, etc.) you can still login to the
  UML console and reinstall the machine without having to visit
  the data centre, or having to pay the hoster to do it for you.

This said, Bytemark has been downright unlucky with the hardware
they purchased to ramp up to offering UML hosting as a standalone
service (i.e. not as part of delivering a consulting/
implementation/management solution); they have kept the
availability high, but reliability has been poor. They did offer
to suspend charging entirely until the problems had been sorted
out and two straight weeks without problems were successfully
completed.

> o DoS on Siemens mobile phones, I know I mentioned Motorola last night, but
> I cant be right all the time ;-)

<chuckle>

Keeping an eye out for victim^H^H^H^H^H^H^H interested persons....

> o And finally the fsck'n hosting company that I purchased some web space
> from......
> ...
> Yes, They sold me space on someone's home PC on the NTL Cable network...
> Hrmmmmm :-\

Ah, I see that you've "fixed" this now:

$ traceroute www.nardware.co.uk
traceroute to www.nardware.co.uk (217.160.178.205), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 1  bthg130-hg1.miltonkeynes.broadband.bt.net (217.35.198.72)  13.171 ms  13.749 ms  17.074 ms
 2  217.35.198.33 (217.35.198.33)  12.824 ms  15.789 ms  15.039 ms
 3  217.35.198.106 (217.35.198.106)  26.232 ms  18.839 ms  15.040 ms
 4  inh2cs01-601.imsnet2.btopenworld.com (62.7.250.129)  25.041 ms  16.923 ms  17.193 ms
 5  213.120.62.214 (213.120.62.214)  17.612 ms  16.768 ms  17.080 ms
 6  213.120.62.197 (213.120.62.197)  14.831 ms  18.477 ms  18.544 ms
 7  core1-pos6-0.bletchley.ukcore.bt.net (194.72.31.33)  16.676 ms  22.978 ms  15.773 ms
 8  core1-pos13-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (62.6.196.245)  20.029 ms  22.900 ms  17.927 ms
 9  core1-pos4-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (194.74.65.113)  16.876 ms  22.741 ms  15.978 ms
10  linx.gw-backbone-a.lon.schlund.net (195.66.224.98)  18.987 ms  16.861 ms  17.048 ms
11  pos-10.gw-backbone-b.ka.schlund.net (212.227.112.49)  60.971 ms  54.963 ms  53.903 ms
12  v4021.gw-dist-a.bs.ka.schlund.net (212.227.116.142)  52.953 ms  50.988 ms  49.927 ms
13  gw-prtr-40-a.dist.bs.ka.schlund.net (212.227.125.48)  88.917 ms  173.955 ms  134.924 ms
14  stupidfuckingorderform.co.uk (217.160.178.205)  118.906 ms  66.985 ms  54.939 ms
$

I take it that the order form that you filled out didn't explain
too clearly what its reverse-DNS question was about?

I expect to arrive in Sydney a few minutes before the April meeting
commences and will therefore miss it. I plan to be at the May
meeting though.

- Raz