[Blackpool] Fwd: RE: Saturday 4th July 2015

James Page jmsp.1983 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 4 09:46:05 UTC 2015


Welp, it's not the Prom traffic that's stopping me this week, but the car
itself. Currently waiting for my brother to return with his diagnostics
kit. If I can get this sorted in the next hour I might make it down there.

Best wishes,
James

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On 3 Jul 2015 17:15, "James Page" <jmsp.1983 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmmm. After reading on the Intel forum, it looks like it's still 'safe' -
> https://communities.intel.com/message/122034
>
> I'm just concerned that the temp is running higher than it usually does
> (i.e., the laptop itself is warmer than it has been in the past).
>
> It seems that sticking i7s in laptops isn't the most temperate application
> for them.
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
> James
>
> On 3 July 2015 at 16:18, Arthur Garlick <arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I will be in a field teaching some Scouts how not to disgrace themselves
>> when they go to Japan next month.
>>
>> My number one tip for Japan...  Learn this kanji:  大  it means BIG, that
>> way no matter how complicated and inscrutable the toilet interface gets you
>> will always know how to do a BIG flush rather than get a hot jet wash of
>> your front and back parts, with no clues how to stop it or activate the
>> dryer afterwards...
>>
>>
>> I'd like to point out that I've done this whole convo without mentioning
>> my PC is water cooled... oh damn...
>>
>> Have a good meeting guys, pics of James' open laptop surgery please!
>>
>> A
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>> > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:00:39 +0100
>> > From: olly at ollyclark.org
>> > To: lespounder at gmail.com
>> > CC: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Fwd: RE: Saturday 4th July 2015
>> >
>> > With your AirCon on right!!!  Seriously just been doing abit of Forum
>> > trawling and it appears there's quite a spread of running temps, the
>> > advice seems to be, don't be overly concerned unless it exceeds 90
>> > Degrees, then put something thick between it and your groin ;-)
>> >
>> > Olly
>> >
>> > On 03/07/15 15:54, Les Pounder wrote:
>> > > Core i5 driving two screens and watching iplayer while working
>> > >
>> > > 64c
>> > >
>> > > Les
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Olly Clark <olly at ollyclark.org
>> > > <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >     James,
>> > >
>> > >     Just checked my CPU temps, my cores are running at 59 and 60
>> > >     degrees C and I'm running in power saving as I have a low battery,
>> > >     so it may not be that out of the ordinary!!
>> > >
>> > >     Olly
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >     On 03/07/15 15:43, Arthur Garlick wrote:
>> > >
>> > >         I recall that these processing state % are not necessarily
>> > >         linked to the processor frequency and voltage in a linear
>> > >         fashion (pretty sure they aren't in fact and the processors
>> > >         step down in voltage and freq in steps, so it's a case of
>> > >         knowing what that processor does).
>> > >           80% might not have done anything at all to the processor
>> > >         freq and voltage.  Maybe there was a small change made going
>> > >         to 99% from 100% and then nothing until you drop a lot more.
>> > >         It might be that for that processor the step down doesn't
>> > >         happen until 79% and the next step down at 50% etc.
>> > >           It's particular to each intel processor?
>> > >
>> > >             Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 15:16:34 +0100
>> > >             From: jmsp.1983 at gmail.com <mailto:jmsp.1983 at gmail.com>
>> > >             To: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >             <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> > >             Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Fwd: RE: Saturday 4th July 2015
>> > >
>> > >             Ay carumba! All those replies!
>> > >
>> > >              From memory...
>> > >
>> > >             Disassembly - I've stripped the laptop down before to try
>> > >             to remove dust
>> > >             and fluff etc, so I'm fairly comfortable with that. I
>> > >             haven't removed the
>> > >             heatsink and fan, though, and I haven't removed/applied
>> > >             thermal paste
>> > >             before, so that's where I'm wanting to be more cautious.
>> > >
>> > >             Laptop - it's a Dell Studio 1558 running an i7 720QM. It's
>> > >             been running
>> > >             warmer than usual for a good few months now - just
>> > >             browsing or using Word
>> > >             it will run at ~65 degrees. If it gets busy it will run
>> > >             into the 70s. I had
>> > >             its maximum processing state set to 85% (I've reduced it
>> > >             to 80% this
>> > >             afternoon). I use BatteryCare to manage and monitor power
>> > >             settings,
>> > >             particularly as Speedfan freezes the laptop whenever I've
>> > >             tried it.
>> > >
>> > >             Preparation - I have Arctic Silver thermal paste and a
>> > >             bottle of
>> > >             isopropanol (shots all round if the procedure is a
>> success!).
>> > >
>> > >             I'll probably drop in around 11ish.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >             Best wishes,
>> > >             James
>> > >
>> > >             On 3 July 2015 at 14:50, Olly Clark <olly at ollyclark.org
>> > >             <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >                 Doesn't seem too bad, we can probably do abit of
>> > >                 diagnostics on it first
>> > >                 before we take it apart
>> > >
>> > >                 NB mine is running alittle hotter than normal at the
>> > >                 moment due to the
>> > >                 heat, so it's normal.
>> > >
>> > >                 Olly
>> > >
>> > >                 On 03/07/15 14:46, Les Pounder wrote:
>> > >
>> > >                     IIRC James has a Dell 1735/1737 laptop like my
>> beast!
>> > >
>> > >                     Here is the service manual for the CPU cooling.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> http://blog.parts-people.com/2011/12/05/dell-studio-17-17351737-cpu-cooling-fan-removal-and-installation/
>> > >
>> > >                     Les
>> > >
>> > >                     On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Olly Clark
>> > >                     <olly at ollyclark.org <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>
>> > >                     <mailto:
>> > >                     olly at ollyclark.org <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>>>
>> > >                     wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                          -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> > >                          Subject:        RE: [Blackpool] Saturday 4th
>> > >                     July 2015
>> > >                          Date:   Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:38:40 +0100
>> > >                          From:   Olly Clark <olly at ollyclark.org
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>>>
>> > >                          To:     Arthur Garlick
>> > >                     <arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>
>> > >                          <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>>>
>> > >                          CC: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> > >                          <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>>
>> > >                          <blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                          If memory serves me James it's an Intel Core
>> > >                     2 Duo laptop isn't
>> > >                          it?  When you say it's running hot, how hot
>> > >                     are we talking? The
>> > >                          BIOS should give you some temperatures, plus
>> > >                     there are a couple of
>> > >                          free apps you can use to monitor CPU and
>> > >                     motherboard temps, maybe
>> > >                          worth playing around with those tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > >                          Regards
>> > >
>> > >                          Olly
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                          On 3 Jul 2015 14:29, Arthur Garlick
>> > >                     <arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>
>> > >                          <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >                             My 2p is:  Don't take the laptop apart
>> yet!
>> > >
>> > >                             Take a look at the "maximum processor
>> > >                     state" setting and experiment
>> > >                             with turning it down (assuming it's
>> > >                     Windoze, but I am sure
>> > >                          Linux has
>> > >                             a similar tweak).
>> > >
>> > >                             You haven't overclocked it and forgotten
>> > >                     have you?!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                             A
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >                              > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:05:55 +0100
>> > >                              > From: olly at ollyclark.org
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org
>> > >                     <mailto:olly at ollyclark.org>>
>> > >                              > To: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> > >                          <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>>
>> > >                              > Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Saturday 4th
>> > >                     July 2015
>> > >                              >
>> > >                              > Hi James,
>> > >                              >
>> > >                              > I'll be there tomorrow, I don't mind
>> > >                     helping you take your
>> > >                          laptop
>> > >                             if you
>> > >                              > want, do you have any thermal paste and
>> > >                     rubbing alcohol?
>> > >                              >
>> > >                              > Regards
>> > >                              >
>> > >                              > Olly
>> > >                              >
>> > >                              > On 02/07/15 17:01, James Page wrote:
>> > >                              > > I think I need to stick some new
>> > >                     thermal paste on my laptop's
>> > >                             CPU. Cleaning
>> > >                              > > out the vents etc hasn't helped to
>> > >                     decrease the running temp.
>> > >                             Will there be
>> > >                              > > anybody around who could guide me
>> > >                     through it? It's not
>> > >                             something I've done
>> > >                              > > before.
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > > Best wishes,
>> > >                              > > James
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > > On 2 July 2015 at 13:02, Arthur
>> Garlick
>> > >                             <arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>
>> > >                          <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
>> > >                     <mailto:arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >                              > >
>> > >                              > >> Hi,I've just been asked to help out
>> > >                     on a Scout camp this
>> > >                             Saturday so won't
>> > >                              > >> be there :o(.
>> > >                              > >> It's been too hot to be indoors
>> > >                     hacking this week. I've been
>> > >                             in my garden
>> > >                              > >> trying to get as far as I can
>> > >                     hacking the tree stumps and
>> > >                             roots before
>> > >                              > >> deploying the chemical warfare.
>> > >                              > >> It's bad form to use a chainsaw on
>> > >                     anything but clean wood,
>> > >                             even if you
>> > >                              > >> powerwash the roots the grit remains
>> > >                     and ruins the chain, a
>> > >                             man should look
>> > >                              > >> after his tools and the chain can
>> > >                     pickup something sharp and
>> > >                             fling it at
>> > >                              > >> your head... But the convenience and
>> > >                     speed of a chainsaw
>> > >                          makes
>> > >                             cutting a
>> > >                              > >> stump out a lot less of a chore
>> > >                     (actually it becomes an
>> > >                             enjoyable job!). I
>> > >                              > >> was doing this with two expensive
>> > >                     chains and sharpening the
>> > >                             chains between
>> > >                              > >> runs last year, which is tedious and
>> > >                     it doesn't take long
>> > >                             before the grit
>> > >                              > >> ruins the way the chains run in the
>> > >                     saw and they have to be
>> > >                             dumped anyway.
>> > >                              > >> Cheap Chinese goods to the rescue
>> > >                     yet again, at £5 a pop
>> > >                          for a
>> > >                             new chain it
>> > >                              > >> makes it economical to use the
>> > >                     chainsaw (it's still scarily
>> > >                             unsafe though,
>> > >                              > >> plenty of protection req'd). I have
>> > >                     two cheapo chains and I'm
>> > >                             still on the
>> > >                              > >> first one, I'll probably resharpen
>> > >                     them once and then dump
>> > >                             them as running
>> > >                              > >> them too long is probably damaging
>> > >                     the saw itself.
>> > >                              > >>
>> > >                              > >> After looking at the Makerspace
>> > >                     progress I had another
>> > >                          look at
>> > >                             my lower
>> > >                              > >> ground floor space and decided I am
>> > >                     going to do a proper job
>> > >                             same as Mike.
>> > >                              > >> I'll take the walls down to brick,
>> > >                     tanking slurry, 25mm of
>> > >                             insulation,
>> > >                              > >> battens and probably I will go for
>> > >                     OSB walls in this
>> > >                          workshop.
>> > >                             Floor is
>> > >                              > >> screeded, I have read that should go
>> > >                     back down to the
>> > >                          concrete
>> > >                             slab for the
>> > >                              > >> tanking slurry to really bond in. I
>> > >                     don't have any major damp
>> > >                             issues in
>> > >                              > >> this room and I'm loath to take out
>> > >                     the screeded floor as
>> > >                          it's
>> > >                             quite well
>> > >                              > >> done. So I won't get a good tanking
>> > >                     fillet between the wall
>> > >                             brickwork and
>> > >                              > >> floor (I believe the tanking will
>> > >                     not bond in with the
>> > >                             screeded floor but I
>> > >                              > >> will come it from the wall for about
>> > >                     a metre with the tanking
>> > >                             anyway). I
>> > >                              > >> am thinking of using the sheet you
>> > >                     use to tank a shower
>> > >                             wetroom to overlap
>> > >                              > >> the wall/floor join by a metre or
>> > >                     so. 25mm foam insulation on
>> > >                             the floor on
>> > >                              > >> top of the wetroom style tanking
>> > >                     sheet and a floating
>> > >                             chipboard floor.
>> > >                              > >> Door frames will stay as is, most
>> > >                     people including myself
>> > >                          will
>> > >                             fit under
>> > >                              > >> them without having to duck! OSB
>> > >                     walls will be a great base
>> > >                             for a shelving
>> > >                              > >> and storage system. It's not a
>> > >                     massive space so the costs
>> > >                             won't mount up.
>> > >                              > >>
>> > >                              > >> I will be at Preston Raspberry Jam
>> > >                     with my soldering iron
>> > >                             helping out
>> > >                              > >> younglings with a soldering project.
>> > >                     I have promised someone
>> > >                             I'll have the
>> > >                              > >> ESP8266 project done and written up
>> > >                     on the blog by then
>> > >                          too...
>> > >                             we'll see
>> > >                              > >> how that goes.
>> > >                              > >>
>> > >                              > >> Regards
>> > >                              > >> Arthur
>> > >                              > >>> From: mikehull2008 at hotmail.co.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:mikehull2008 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> > >                          <mailto:mikehull2008 at hotmail.co.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:mikehull2008 at hotmail.co.uk>>
>> > >                              > >>> To: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> > >                          <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >                     <mailto:blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk>>
>> > >                              > >>> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:49:22
>> +0100
>> > >                              > >>> Subject: [Blackpool] Saturday 4th
>> > >                     July 2015
>> > >                              > >>>
>> > >                              > >>> Tyldesley Road will be open as
>> > >                     usual Saturday from 10am.
>> > >                              > >>>
>> > >                              > >>> Best regards
>> > >                              > >>>
>> > >                              > >>> Mike Hull
>> > >                              > >>>
>> > >                              > >>>
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