[Bradford] Defcon 3: Debian thermo global nuclear init standoff [systemd vs Upstart]

[David Carpenter]

Worth it just for this line:
"i.e. Red Hat's init scripts are ludicrous shitspawn from hell, and
always have been"

I'm going to need to put some time aside to read all of this (and try
ot understand it!), but just to say I'm really enjoying this thread!
Thanks fellas!

David

On 30 October 2013 09:10, Nick Rhodes <nick at ngrhodes.co.uk> wrote:
> Im sure you have energy spare for GTK3 being a Gnome3 specific framework
> making non Gnome projects harder, such as XFCE ;)
>
> On 30 Oct 2013 08:46, "David Spencer" <baildon.research at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yep Rob, to add a backdoor to sysvinit you'd have to go back 40 years in
>> your tardis *and* then work a Jedi mind trick on everyone that could see it
>> in plain sight.
>>
>> Oh yeah and I forgot:
>> The killer colon of Lennart
>> http://zaitcev.livejournal.com/219483.html
>> (Not the *anatomical* colon his ideas emerge from, no, this is a
>> *typographical* colon.)
>>
>> And Dave Airlie less than two weeks ago explaining to Linus why Linus is
>> crazy to want kernel updates in the Fedora installer:
>> "+Linus Torvalds afaik there is no QA capacity for doing something like
>> that, the whole reason Fedora has a serious pre-release freeze period is to
>> make the installer not get screwed by collateral damage in the main OS, like
>> systemd/dracut/kernel/devicemapper changes."
>> Yeah, so don't *do* that, genius...
>>
>> This is just part of the fallout in our current month of October 2013.
>> Does Debian *really* want to join such a party?
>>
>> -D.
>>
>> (and I hope everyone enjoyed the lotr/starwars/who/zombies references so
>> far.  Any requests for the next rant?)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 October 2013 20:42, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <robertburrelldonkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:56 PM, David Spencer
>>> <baildon.research at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there's this:
>>>> http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/
>>>
>>>
>>> systemd is all about control
>>>
>>> FWIW...
>>>
>>> If I wanted to pwn Linux boxes, the way I go about would be through
>>> initialization scripts.
>>>
>>> But shell scripts are easy to read, and sys admins have a habit of poking
>>> around in them to debug issues or to tweak them for local needs.
>>>
>>> C (unlike more obvious alternatives like Python) is much trickier to
>>> debug or decompile. System admins will in future need to approach corporates
>>> like RH. Given friends in these corporations, if they were to insert any
>>> special goodies then likely of being found out is slim indeed.
>>>
>>> Good for the NSA. Good for revenues at the corps. All Free as in Freedom
>>> Fries...
>>>
>>> But who cares about being pwn'd by Uncle Sam if your box boots 1.3
>>> seconds faster...
>>>
>>> All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
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