[Bradford] Defcon 3: Debian thermo global nuclear init standoff [systemd vs Upstart]

[Nick Rhodes]

Im sure you have energy spare for GTK3 being a Gnome3 specific framework
making non Gnome projects harder, such as XFCE ;)
On 30 Oct 2013 08:46, "David Spencer" <baildon.research at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Yep Rob, to add a backdoor to sysvinit you'd have to go back 40 years in
> your tardis *and* then work a Jedi mind trick on everyone that could see it
> in plain sight.
>
> Oh yeah and I forgot:
> The killer colon of Lennart
> http://zaitcev.livejournal.com/219483.html
> (Not the *anatomical* colon his ideas emerge from, no, this is a
> *typographical* colon.)
>
> And Dave Airlie less than two weeks ago explaining to Linus why Linus is
> crazy to want kernel updates in the Fedora installer:
> "+Linus Torvalds afaik there is no QA capacity for doing something like
> that, the whole reason Fedora has a serious pre-release freeze period is to
> make the installer not get screwed by collateral damage in the main OS,
> like systemd/dracut/kernel/devicemapper changes."
> Yeah, so don't *do* that, genius...
>
> This is just part of the fallout in our current month of October 2013.
> Does Debian *really* want to join such a party?
>
> -D.
>
> (and I hope everyone enjoyed the lotr/starwars/who/zombies references so
> far.  Any requests for the next rant?)
>
>
>
> On 29 October 2013 20:42, Robert Burrell Donkin <
> robertburrelldonkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:56 PM, David Spencer <
>> baildon.research at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And there's this:
>>> http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/
>>>
>>
>> systemd is all about control
>>
>> FWIW...
>>
>> If I wanted to pwn Linux boxes, the way I go about would be through
>> initialization scripts.
>>
>> But shell scripts are easy to read, and sys admins have a habit of poking
>> around in them to debug issues or to tweak them for local needs.
>>
>> C (unlike more obvious alternatives like Python) is much trickier to
>> debug or decompile. System admins will in future need to approach
>> corporates like RH. Given friends in these corporations, if they were to
>> insert any special goodies then likely of being found out is slim indeed.
>>
>> Good for the NSA. Good for revenues at the corps. All Free as in Freedom
>> Fries...
>>
>> But who cares about being pwn'd by Uncle Sam if your box boots 1.3
>> seconds faster...
>>
>> All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
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