[Bradford] U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case, Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of Free Press

[Nick Rhodes]

One important point I forgot is that my point relates to allowing discussion about using open software that can be inspected for back doors, have strong encryption with no keys for anyone else, and the methods used by authorities and others to infiltrate and work around these, some of which Snowden uncovered.

> On 21 Jan 2016, at 12:51, Nick Rhodes <nick at ngrhodes.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is a related topic. The documents in question were from Edward Snowden, whistleblowing on the USA and friends spying activities of which some have been ruled illegal. As 99% was technology based this is relevant as it brings into question our ability to be able to report on systems used for spying and illegal data collection activities.
> We need to discuss these topics, moral and rights of how we should and shouldn't use technology and this includes talking about software licences, investigation and discovery of electronic devices for personal and research purposes (such as finding bugs and alternative uses). If we don't we will never bring into question the people and organisations we trust to look after us and be able to highlight any oversight or misjudgement or worst case blantant misuse of technology.
> 
> Cheers Nick
> 
>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 12:12, Stephane Urdy <stephane.urdy at yourprog.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chaps,
>> 
>> These are interesting topics.
>> Maybe I am wrong, but I thought this was a Linux related mailing list ?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Stephane
>> 
>>> On 21/01/16 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>> Today's it's spun as European Human Rights. Yesterday it would have been spun as the great tradition of British Press           Freedom. Take your pick. 
>>> 
>>> At the expense of ruining a good story, the judgement (as opposed to the spin) upholds the government's actions but notes that the law is poorly drafted.
>>> 
>>> During detention, there is no statuary mechanism for the detainee to admit that they have privileged original documents in their possession and to ask for a magistrate able to seal them to the court. This is both unreasonable and inequitable. 
>>> 
>>> The way these things are usually done are to obtain the services of a lawyer who arranges for them to be declared at customs. No one in the civil service seems to have considered that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to smuggle original legal documents through 'nothing to declare'. 
>>> 
>>> My moral - don't play at being a spy. The British taking spying far too seriously, and are better at it than most. Detention is nothing much to be worried about. The time to worry is when the professional spooks invite you politely to leave through the special private exit (before customs, detention ot who have legally entered the country). During the troubles, if you knew where the door was, you could see them taking away folk out from Leeds-Bradford whose records would say they'd never boarded the plane in Ireland. 
>>> 
>>> For what it's worth, if you ever want to get documents out of the country without the British spying on you, just ask a frenemy to ship them FedEx. That's US of A, and they take care of their own.
>>> 
>>> Robert
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian A <bradlug at hackroyd.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case, Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of Free Press
>>>> 
>>>> As a background, for those who have forgotten/not followed this: David Miranda is the partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald who interview Ed Snowden in Hong Kong.
>>>> 
>>>> It is interesting to note that this case was won because of the protection of the European Convention of Human Rights. As I understand it Cameron wants us out of European Human Rights - so where would that leave us!
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>>>> UK Court Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of Free Press
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>>>> UK Court Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights...
>>>> The court ruled that the UK's laws breach rights in case involving seizure of documents from the partner of Intercept co-founder Glenn Greenwald.
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>>>> Brian
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