[Bradford] Mailman 3

Thu Feb 25 16:35:14 UTC 2021

Hi all

There is a list of mailman hosts at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services[1] 

John

On Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:05:02 GMT Paul Colley via Bradford wrote:
> FYI / may be interest.
> Is anyone using Mailman 3? Has anyone migrated from 2 to 3? Does anyone host
> or know of hosts supporting and/or setting up 3? ----- Forwarded message
> -----
>  From: Duane Raymond via Practitioners
> <practitioners at ecampaigningforum.com>To: ECF List
> <practitioners at ecampaigningforum.com>Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2021,
> 10:42:51 GMTSubject: [ECF] Exciting ECF list changes! Hi ECFers!
> This weekend a major upgrade of the ECF list is planned. This will mean the
> list is unavailable from Friday 21:00 UCT/GMT until Saturday evening or
> Sunday.  So expect from Monday it is a bit bumpy while things get sorted
> out in real-world usage and the fact that some subscribers won't read this
> ;-) What does this mean for you?The biggest changes for you is that you
> will need to confirm your subscription by logging in to the new system and
> to choose from a number of lists vs just one. Your email address and posts
> will be migrated. There are likely to be other changes (see below) but this
> is the most important one - especially since some of you have your lists
> posts filtered and never see them until you go into a folder or you get the
> digest version of the posts. What will change?mailman3 offers a huge number
> of improvements, but the top two are: - All posts are in a searchable
> archive (only accessible if you log in for private lists like ECF) - You
> can manage your own profile, subscription settings and email addresses -
> You can engage with the list only via the web if you wish. Note that if you
> turn of emails, there is a 90% chance you will engage less - The server is
> powered by 100% renewable energy (Swiss based so covered by the same strict
> GDPR and data protection rules and agreements as the EU) What doesn't
> change is that you can still receive the list discussions via email - the
> most engaging way to participate. There are also changes I wish to
> implement:
>    - Split the ECF list into multiple lists on more specific topics to help
> you choose what types of discussions you wish to be part of - Require
> subscribers to confirm their subscription since after 15+ years of
> operating, I'm sure there are some inactive email addresses I can retire
> ;-) - Expand the information on each subscriber to include country and city
> to help with connecting nationally and locally - Change the domain for new
> lists to @campaigningforum.com as digital is now mainstream (unlike when I
> started it) and some people in the community are more interested in
> campaigning strategy than digital. - Multiple moderators: the old system
> had one shared password (and no username) for access to administer - a VERY
> bad idea and one reason I kept moderation to just me. With the new system,
> there can be multiple administrators, all with their own logins. That can
> involve more of the community in running it - a goal we've talked about for
> ages! - Social login: you won't necessarily need to remember a new login
> for the lists - you can use one of the many social login options to login
> making it more accessible. - A separate jobs only list will be created for
> those who only wish to get job postings (a roundup will still go to
> everyone) and the same for an event listing (and event roundup) - ...and
> many more....
> Why now?I've wanted to make this change for a decade, but the main criteria
> - keeping email discussions - wasn't satisfied by alternative tools (web
> 'forum' tools are generally terrible for engagement).  I was exploring
> Groupserver for a while but it is developmentally dead now.
> Maiman3 (successor to mailman2 currently used which is 20+ years old) has
> been available for a while, but immature and with no ability to migrate
> from mailman2. It has only gained this capability in the last year - and
> now it has been 'in the wild' for long enough to be considered a viable
> alternative. Secondly, my existing hosting provider, webfaction, got
> purchased by GoDaddy a year or so ago and they are migrating the servers
> and will no longer support mailman2 (or 3). Their migration deadline is end
> Feb ;-) I have actually been working on migration since October last year
> (on and off between paid work) and after nights of fighting to get the
> right hosting company who can support it (most don't) and trying to get it
> to run (I'm no server expert - but I'm becoming one!), I finally decided to
> hire someone to install it ;-)  He already has a hosting company that hosts
> 3000 mailman3 lists so he knows what he is doing and can provide support in
> the future. Thanks to subscribers and regular donors:I want to thank all of
> you for helping make the ECF community so wonderful to be part of....and a
> special thanks for the regular 'donors' who contribute a small amout each
> month/year to help pay for running the community. If you didn't know this
> was an option it is because I haven't mentioned it in a while - but it will
> be built in as an option at sometime in the future (not for at least a
> year). Also thanks to everyone who posts paid jobs and those who pay for
> event postings - each of those also help pay for the community moderation
> and upkeep. Future changesThis migration is key for a huge range of plans
> to come from community involvement in running it, to hosting other forums,
> to better updates on events and jobs and much more.  A separate jobs list
> will be created because soe many people just want to receive job listings
> via email and of course, an new FairSay website (next step) to bring it all
> together.  We can even discuss some of the changes together to find what
> people need! Cheers,
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