[Bradford] Mailman 3

[Paul Colley]

Cheers John. I probably deserve a Let Me Google That For You link. Looks really useful.
Don't know if I ever mentioned but I took voluntary redundancy from Bradford CVS (now CABAD) last year. This month would have been 30 years working there. No clock/watch presentation, no leaving do (manager offered to have it on Zoom) - just two house plants which are not looking too enthusiastic about life.
Hope all is well with you.
P.
On Thursday, 25 February 2021, 16:35:10 GMT, John Robert Hudson <j.r.hudson at virginmedia.com> wrote:
 
 
 
Hi all


There is a list of mailman hosts at https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services 


John


On Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:05:02 GMT Paul Colley via Bradford wrote:

> FYI / may be interest.

> Is anyone using Mailman 3? Has anyone migrated from 2 to 3? Does anyone host

> or know of hosts supporting and/or setting up 3? ----- Forwarded message

> -----

>  From: Duane Raymond via Practitioners

> <practitioners at ecampaigningforum.com>To: ECF List

> <practitioners at ecampaigningforum.com>Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2021,

> 10:42:51 GMTSubject: [ECF] Exciting ECF list changes! Hi ECFers!

> This weekend a major upgrade of the ECF list is planned. This will mean the

> list is unavailable from Friday 21:00 UCT/GMT until Saturday evening or

> Sunday.  So expect from Monday it is a bit bumpy while things get sorted

> out in real-world usage and the fact that some subscribers won't read this

> ;-) What does this mean for you?The biggest changes for you is that you

> will need to confirm your subscription by logging in to the new system and

> to choose from a number of lists vs just one. Your email address and posts

> will be migrated. There are likely to be other changes (see below) but this

> is the most important one - especially since some of you have your lists

> posts filtered and never see them until you go into a folder or you get the

> digest version of the posts. What will change?mailman3 offers a huge number

> of improvements, but the top two are: - All posts are in a searchable

> archive (only accessible if you log in for private lists like ECF) - You

> can manage your own profile, subscription settings and email addresses -

> You can engage with the list only via the web if you wish. Note that if you

> turn of emails, there is a 90% chance you will engage less - The server is

> powered by 100% renewable energy (Swiss based so covered by the same strict

> GDPR and data protection rules and agreements as the EU) What doesn't

> change is that you can still receive the list discussions via email - the

> most engaging way to participate. There are also changes I wish to

> implement:

>    - Split the ECF list into multiple lists on more specific topics to help

> you choose what types of discussions you wish to be part of - Require

> subscribers to confirm their subscription since after 15+ years of

> operating, I'm sure there are some inactive email addresses I can retire

> ;-) - Expand the information on each subscriber to include country and city

> to help with connecting nationally and locally - Change the domain for new

> lists to @campaigningforum.com as digital is now mainstream (unlike when I

> started it) and some people in the community are more interested in

> campaigning strategy than digital. - Multiple moderators: the old system

> had one shared password (and no username) for access to administer - a VERY

> bad idea and one reason I kept moderation to just me. With the new system,

> there can be multiple administrators, all with their own logins. That can

> involve more of the community in running it - a goal we've talked about for

> ages! - Social login: you won't necessarily need to remember a new login

> for the lists - you can use one of the many social login options to login

> making it more accessible. - A separate jobs only list will be created for

> those who only wish to get job postings (a roundup will still go to

> everyone) and the same for an event listing (and event roundup) - ...and

> many more....

> Why now?I've wanted to make this change for a decade, but the main criteria

> - keeping email discussions - wasn't satisfied by alternative tools (web

> 'forum' tools are generally terrible for engagement).  I was exploring

> Groupserver for a while but it is developmentally dead now.

> Maiman3 (successor to mailman2 currently used which is 20+ years old) has

> been available for a while, but immature and with no ability to migrate

> from mailman2. It has only gained this capability in the last year - and

> now it has been 'in the wild' for long enough to be considered a viable

> alternative. Secondly, my existing hosting provider, webfaction, got

> purchased by GoDaddy a year or so ago and they are migrating the servers

> and will no longer support mailman2 (or 3). Their migration deadline is end

> Feb ;-) I have actually been working on migration since October last year

> (on and off between paid work) and after nights of fighting to get the

> right hosting company who can support it (most don't) and trying to get it

> to run (I'm no server expert - but I'm becoming one!), I finally decided to

> hire someone to install it ;-)  He already has a hosting company that hosts

> 3000 mailman3 lists so he knows what he is doing and can provide support in

> the future. Thanks to subscribers and regular donors:I want to thank all of

> you for helping make the ECF community so wonderful to be part of....and a

> special thanks for the regular 'donors' who contribute a small amout each

> month/year to help pay for running the community. If you didn't know this

> was an option it is because I haven't mentioned it in a while - but it will

> be built in as an option at sometime in the future (not for at least a

> year). Also thanks to everyone who posts paid jobs and those who pay for

> event postings - each of those also help pay for the community moderation

> and upkeep. Future changesThis migration is key for a huge range of plans

> to come from community involvement in running it, to hosting other forums,

> to better updates on events and jobs and much more.  A separate jobs list

> will be created because soe many people just want to receive job listings

> via email and of course, an new FairSay website (next step) to bring it all

> together.  We can even discuss some of the changes together to find what

> people need! Cheers,

> Duane

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