[Chester LUG] Career change

Wed Mar 25 17:03:08 UTC 2009

Cheers again guys.  I'm going for some careers advice first day off - tuesday.  We'll see what jobs are up for grabs.

> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:46:48 +0000
> From: movedx at googlemail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change
> 
> I agree with David on this one.
> 
> A friend of mine used to work for a comparison website as a
> programmer. After I told him I wanted to go into programming, he
> advised I applied to the same company as they're looking for junior
> programmers at the moment. He went on to add that some of the
> programmers that had been there for a year or more, didn't know what a
> class property was; didn't understand the four basic principles of OOP
> and in some cases, didn't know what OOP was... and some of these
> people had Comp. Sci. degrees? Also, the website is ASP.NET based, so
> knowing what OOP is is pretty essential to the job. I was head and
> shoulders above some of the programmers there with no commercial
> experience, no computer quals. and 8 useless GCSEs.
> 
> In fact, even some programmers I speak to now who work in the industry
> don't understand things like Seperation of Concerns, Dependency
> Injection, Aspect Orientated programming, Domain Driven Design, etc.
> As far as most of the GOOD programmers I know, these are basic
> concepts.
> 
> Just goes to show you what you can find in the work place earning
> £22k+ by blagging their way by :)
> 
> You're an intelligent bloke Paul, so as David said, sell your self and
> add some icing on the cake :)
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 March 2009, Paul Williams wrote:
> >> cheers guys.  I have taught ICT before.  Problem is I never bothered with
> >> vista (so out of date with windows) and not skilled enough to train anyone
> >> on linux.
> >>
> >> I would probably be looking more at a trainee techie post to start off to
> >> broaden my skill base.
> >
> >
> > One thing I'll add is try not sell yourself short, I find this hard since my
> > cautious nature means I always do this, but I can't tell you how many times
> > I've met people doing jobs that they clearly have no clue about . Someone
> > with a bit of enthusiasm is already ahead of the game, so I'd try
> > and "oversell" yourself because I guarantee there will be people with less
> > gumption bluffing it.
> >
> > Anyway good luck and all the best!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000
> >> From: biglynchy at gmail.com
> >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change
> >>
> >> That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it
> >> seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap
> >> needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm
> >> about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the
> >> very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you
> >> very soon.
> >>
> >>
> >> Good luck!! :)
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Hiya,
> >>
> >> Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ?
> >> From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I
> >> even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College
> >> do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris
> >> course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a
> >> couple of grand for a weeks work.
> >>
> >> As I say, just a thought!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/3/24 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been advised to leave teaching.
> >>
> >> The fact is that I cost too much.  My salary is protected by law, so I
> >> can't lower it.  Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider
> >> employing me despite the cost.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher.  So I'm not getting
> >> a look in.
> >>
> >> A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant.
> >>
> >> So...  Career change time.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years
> >> experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree,
> >> but no IT qualifications other than ECDL?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
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