[dundee] Re: dundee Digest, Vol 118, Issue 1

Mon Oct 15 14:17:15 BST 2007

LFS is difficult, but it's made to be so you learn what you're doing. I'm
going to be hated by both Hazel and you for saying this, but Gentoo, to me
at least, seems to be pretending to be something it's not. I agree it's much
more advanced than, say Ubuntu, however, you don't learn all that much,
apart from compiling a kernel. All the directory structure etc is managed
for you. I wasn't saying that you should force new users to use a base LFS
build. I was putting it forward as a suggestion that a pseudo distro might
be made for the uni if the LFS project were to be a success. Virtually any
package manager could be plugged into LFS once it's made. I have installed
Gentoo on our router and I agree that it's a good idea in principle, but
it's not all that Gentoo users say it is.

On 10/15/07, Mirosław Majka <mirekmajka at o2.pl> wrote:
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> >    1. LFS (Nistur)
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> >    3. Re: LFS (Lee Hughes)
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> > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:12:49 +0000
> > From: Nistur <nistur at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: [dundee] LFS
> > To: "Tayside Linux User Group" <dundee at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> > I think this question is mainly aimed at Arron, but also, as usual, feel
> > free to comment and put your word in, as such I will address it to the
> list.
> >
> > Arron suggested that there be, sort of alongside the install-fest I
> think,
> > an LFS building group. Whereas he thinks that it should be done in
> several
> > sessions I believe that what would be better to do is something like two
> > weekend sessions, however far apart people want to give themselves time.
> The
> > reason behind this is that the hardest parts for LFS are the start,
> building
> > the toolchain and then finishing, installing the kernel. Stuff inbetween
> > just takes time and is mainly ./configure && make && make install then
> read
> > the package info while it's busy. With the 2 weekends, if we get a few
> newer
> > users, or at least people who haven't tried LFS before, and a couple
> of...
> > more "mature" users (not agewise before people get offended) to build
> > alongside if they want, but mainly just to help iron out problems. I can
> put
> > myself forward if I'm wanted in this position as I've built LFS a few
> times
> > (many times if you include failed attempts)
> >
> > I think this would be a great thing for the society to do at least, if
> not
> > the LUG as well. Firstly it will teach new users some more of the
> command
> > line. Whereas I don't think we have anyone who is actually scared of it,
> > knowing the system in depth isn't needed for all linux users, just
> > comfortable enough with it to be able to follow some of the guides
> online,
> > for example. Also if this is a success then it could be continued to
> adding
> > portions of BLFS and looking at some of the other projects. Eventually,
> if
> > it all comes together it may be possible to create a liveCD/installer
> for
> > Abertay Students with things like OOo and wpa_supplicant. I realise this
> > would be much easier, taking say an ubuntu CD, especially for support,
> > however having a society that knows the distro inside out has got to be
> > worth something in that arguement, right?
> >
> > I believe that's all for my babbling
> > Nistur
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> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:22:25 +0100
> > From: "Digit (SG)" <digit.siljrath at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [dundee] LFS
> > To: "Tayside Linux User Group" <dundee at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> > i like babbling
> >
> > On 15/10/2007, Nistur <nistur at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think this question is mainly aimed at Arron, but also, as usual,
> feel
> >> free to comment and put your word in, as such I will address it to the
> list.
> >>
> >> Arron suggested that there be, sort of alongside the install-fest I
> think,
> >> an LFS building group. Whereas he thinks that it should be done in
> several
> >> sessions I believe that what would be better to do is something like
> two
> >> weekend sessions, however far apart people want to give themselves
> time. The
> >> reason behind this is that the hardest parts for LFS are the start,
> building
> >> the toolchain and then finishing, installing the kernel. Stuff
> inbetween
> >> just takes time and is mainly ./configure && make && make install then
> read
> >> the package info while it's busy. With the 2 weekends, if we get a few
> newer
> >> users, or at least people who haven't tried LFS before, and a couple
> of...
> >> more "mature" users (not agewise before people get offended) to build
> >> alongside if they want, but mainly just to help iron out problems. I
> can put
> >> myself forward if I'm wanted in this position as I've built LFS a few
> times
> >> (many times if you include failed attempts)
> >>
> >> I think this would be a great thing for the society to do at least, if
> not
> >> the LUG as well. Firstly it will teach new users some more of the
> command
> >> line. Whereas I don't think we have anyone who is actually scared of
> it,
> >> knowing the system in depth isn't needed for all linux users, just
> >> comfortable enough with it to be able to follow some of the guides
> online,
> >> for example. Also if this is a success then it could be continued to
> adding
> >> portions of BLFS and looking at some of the other projects. Eventually,
> if
> >> it all comes together it may be possible to create a liveCD/installer
> for
> >> Abertay Students with things like OOo and wpa_supplicant. I realise
> this
> >> would be much easier, taking say an ubuntu CD, especially for support,
> >> however having a society that knows the distro inside out has got to be
> >> worth something in that arguement, right?
> >>
> >> I believe that's all for my babbling
> >> Nistur
> >>
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> >
> Well, personally I think LFS is sodomy. Really, you'd have to be
> desparate to the bone to get new users to try THAT! I think that gentoo
> is just the same idea but packed in a better, more efficient way. With
> LFS you don't get any tools to control borken libraries! No dependency
> tree, nothing! Believe me, I've been using that for more than two years.
> After that time I realised that I got into a dead end with managing
> software.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Miroslaw
>
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