[Nelug] Re: Nelug Digest, Vol 61, Issue 1
Daniel Tweedy
daniel_tweedy at yahoo.co.uk
Mon Apr 18 19:34:36 UTC 2005
Hi Everyone,
Thank you all for the replies and insights into what you know and/or use.
Richard, never tried gentoo before have seen it before but not played
with it, will give it a go I think :-) I thought ubuntu was debian based
? maybe i'm mistaken only been using it a little while, after a friend
found it and suggested that I see if I like it.
James, I'm not that experience at using linux to be honest I just dabble
here and there and see what works and what doesn't I break things more
often than fix them :| but learning along the way too.
Jordan, Slackware is something I have never heard of, are you using it
as a desktop or a server ? from what you say about reliability and so on
it sounds good, will try it and also gentoo and see what I how I get on
with those, hopefully I will find what I am looking for in one of them :)
Jeremy, I tried that too, but was a bit like a lost sheep doing it that
way as wasn't sure of the commands or anything, never used anything but
redhat based things and mandrake really. I'm quite happy with ubuntu as
it goes would be happier still if I could get everything that I would
ideally like to work perfectly or atleast in some minor way.
Peter, you can upgrade ubuntu easily by following the guide here
http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#upgradewartytohoary
this upgrades you from Warty Warthog to Hoary Hedgehog (Beta) hope that
helps you out some.
Nick, Not keen on Fedora + webmin, not very easy to use I thought, it
doesn't look all that great either to be honest, I dont know or
understand webmin very well and I couldn't work out how to do most
things with it, like create multi user accounts for a single domain,
manage multiple domains and the email associated with them in it, i.e.
setup forwarding addresses or pop/imap accounts.
As for the mysql I compiled from source as there is no rpm of mysql 4
for fedora 3, so did install all that but just complained about unable
to connect on socket, tried various things googled it and found people
with the same problem, but no one seemed to know the solution.
Bluequartz does look very interesting indeed, no screen shots tho, but
have used raq 3,4 and 550 so kinda guess what it'll look like, I only
see a download for fedora core 1 which is a shame, doubt mysql4 would
work on that ?
Thank you all for the responses :-)
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> 1. Re: Advice on setting up a home server (Richard Patterson)
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> 3. Re: Advice on setting up a home server (phrag)
> 4. Re: Advice on setting up a home server (Jeremy Booth)
> 5. Re: Advice on setting up a home server: UBUNTU (Peter Holmes)
> 6. Re: Advice on setting up a home server (Daniel Tweedy)
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:55:41 +0100
> From: Richard Patterson <richard at rp2k.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server
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> Hi Daniel,
>
> I realy think you should try Gentoo (www.gentoo.org), you would still
> need to compile it yourself...
>
> Or, Debian... there are some vhcs (2.2) .deb packages for Debian at
> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story39709.html
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
> Daniel Tweedy wrote:
>
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I have been trying to set up a home server for a good few months now,
>>been through various distros and not really found one that did
>>everything as I require, so I thought that I would pose the question
>>to you all and see what you think or recommendations you may have if any.
>>
>>My first attempt was as follows.
>>
>>Fedora Core 2
>>Webmin, Apache 2, php 4, mysql 4
>>
>>first problem was not being able to get webmin to work correctly, kept
>>breaking the samba shares after install, and also no mysql 4 rpm, so I
>>built it from source from a help doc I found unfortunatley it failed
>>on could connect on the socket.
>>
>>Attempt number 2 & 4 was:-
>>
>>I have tried this a couple of times as this is what I thought would be
>>the best route, and being able to add more things at a later date to
>>the mix.
>>
>>Fedora Core 3
>>Apache 2, php 4, mysql 4 and vhcs (www.vhcs.net)
>>
>>the problem here was with vhcs and it being a nightmare to configure
>>as it needed all sort of different dependancies most of where were
>>hard to find, it needs courier-imap but I wasn't able to find that rpm
>>and building it from source vhcs didn't like to use it, not to mention
>>various problems with MIME::Entity.
>>
>>Attempt 3 was the sme server from www.contribs.org based on red hat
>>7.3 but comes with all the necessary stuff, but lacking somewhat in
>>other areas, i.e. no c compiler, cd is only 600mb but does the hosting
>>job that I was wanting but nothing else that I was wanting aswell.
>>
>>Attempt 5 was ubuntu, it seems a really nice desktop linux and I do
>>really like it, but cant ssh into it not sure how to get that working,
>>and mythtv package that is in apt doesn't work really, currently still
>>playing with it not been able to get it to play aac audio, althought
>>gtkpod does and works great with my ipod something I never been able
>>to get to work with any other linux distro.
>>
>>If I had to list everything I am wanting it would be as follows.
>>
>>Server capable of being colocated (it wont ever be tho)
>>Capable of adding domains easily to the server and removing them.
>>Adding user and creating ftp accounts.
>>Adding mail accounts also.
>>Maybe be able to run vhcs (www.vhcs.net) if you dont have any other
>>alternatives to try, sorry but webmin isn't very nice.
>>able to install and run icecast streaming radio server, and xmms
>>hopefull with aac audio support ?
>>
>>I have a pvr350 tv tuner card in my linux box, so I would like to be
>>able to install and run mythtv have never had it working yet so that
>>would be a godsend to see it working.
>>
>>I also have a pioneer 108 dvd writer so support for writting dvds also
>>as mythtv can burn recorded programs straight to dvd.
>>
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:56:55 +0100
> From: James Le Cuirot <chewi at ffaura.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server
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> That's just what I was going to say but I didn't want to sound like a stuck
> record! With that amount of experience, Gentoo shouldn't be a problem for you.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:55:41 +0100
> Richard Patterson <richard at rp2k.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Daniel,
>>
>>I realy think you should try Gentoo (www.gentoo.org), you would still
>>need to compile it yourself...
>>
>>Or, Debian... there are some vhcs (2.2) .deb packages for Debian at
>>http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story39709.html
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Richard
>
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:51:10 +0100
> From: phrag <root at gan.gs>
> Subject: Re: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server
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> Give slackware a try if you want stabilty, simplicity and security.
> At the end of the day, it's about personal preference...
> give those recommended to you a try and see which suits you best =)
> -- Jordan
>
> "James Le Cuirot" wrote:
>
>>That's just what I was going to say but I didn't want to sound like a stuck
>>record! With that amount of experience, Gentoo shouldn't be a problem for you.
>>
>>James
>>
>>On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:55:41 +0100
>>Richard Patterson <richard at rp2k.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>>I realy think you should try Gentoo (www.gentoo.org), you would still
>>>need to compile it yourself...
>>>
>>>Or, Debian... there are some vhcs (2.2) .deb packages for Debian at
>>>http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story39709.html
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Richard
>>
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> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:47:36 +0100
> From: Jeremy Booth <jeremy at computerbooth.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server
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> I've just converted most of my servers from gentoo to ubuntu. Used the
> 'server' directive during install.
>
> sshd was not installed by default, but 'apt-cache seach ssh' revealed
> open ssh packges, and a quick apt-get install <package> solves all my
> issues. I was so impressed with it, that I've stuck it on my laptop.
> I've dried linux on the desktop before, but wasn't that impressed. This
> time i'm very happy. Wireless networking, opengl accelerated graphics,
> sound card works, and all the tools I need to actually do some work.
>
> I tried gentoo before on the desktop, but a subsiquent update broke
> things, and on my desktop work machine, I don't have time for things to
> break.
>
> We'll see how it goes this time :)
>
> Ubunto on the servers is more than happy too :)
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> Jeremy
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> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:21:33 +0100
> From: Peter Holmes <fopetsys at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server: UBUNTU
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> Hi. Like the review of ubuntu - been interested for a while.
> Am using MDK10.1 CE on piece of testing equipment and not without
> continuing problems. MDK10.2 gave me some REAL headaches so am back
> to 10.! for the
> present.
> My query is: will ubuntu upgrade an existing installation without hacking?
>
> Not a sever, BTW
>
> Peter
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> ===> On 17 Apr 2005 at 21:47, Jeremy Booth wrote :-
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>>I've just converted most of my servers from gentoo to ubuntu. Used the
>>'server' directive during install.
>>
>>sshd was not installed by default, but 'apt-cache seach ssh' revealed
>>open ssh packges, and a quick apt-get install <package> solves all my
>>issues. I was so impressed with it, that I've stuck it on my laptop.
>>I've dried linux on the desktop before, but wasn't that impressed. This
>>time i'm very happy. Wireless networking, opengl accelerated graphics,
>>sound card works, and all the tools I need to actually do some work.
>>
>>I tried gentoo before on the desktop, but a subsiquent update broke
>>things, and on my desktop work machine, I don't have time for things to
>>break.
>>
>>We'll see how it goes this time :)
>>
>>Ubunto on the servers is more than happy too :)
>>
>>Jeremy
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> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:57:40 +0100
> From: Nick Davis <nick.davis at alertyou.net>
> Subject: [Nelug] Re: Advice on setting up a home server (Daniel
> Tweedy)
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> Daniel,
> I have found Fedora + webmin straightforward.
> Debian I found pain in the *** cos loads of old or broken packages.
> Others in this user group like Craig, have found SUSE friendly.
>
> mysql you can find the right rpms if u look around. fedora.redhat.com or
> mysql 's own site. Don't forget to get ALL the rpms - mysql client.
> server, and tools. This could be your problem?
>
> Problem with webmin is too small user-base 2 find and fix bugs. I find
> it OK if u don't do too many unusual things. I like its handling of perl
> module installation, mysql and DNS configuration. U can get virtualmin 4
> virtual hosts but beware of bugs in IP-based hosting.
>
> http://bluequartz.org/ is the old Cobalt sysadmin GUI ported to Fedora.
> Looks interesting?
>
> Nick
>
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>>Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Advice on setting up a home server (Daniel Tweedy)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:36:06 +0100
>>From: Daniel Tweedy <daniel_tweedy at yahoo.co.uk>
>>Subject: [Nelug] Advice on setting up a home server
>>To: nelug at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>Message-ID: <426130E6.8050509 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I have been trying to set up a home server for a good few months now,
>>been through various distros and not really found one that did
>>everything as I require, so I thought that I would pose the question to
>>you all and see what you think or recommendations you may have if any.
>>
>>My first attempt was as follows.
>>
>>Fedora Core 2
>>Webmin, Apache 2, php 4, mysql 4
>>
>>first problem was not being able to get webmin to work correctly, kept
>>breaking the samba shares after install, and also no mysql 4 rpm, so I
>>built it from source from a help doc I found unfortunatley it failed on
>>could connect on the socket.
>>
>>Attempt number 2 & 4 was:-
>>
>>I have tried this a couple of times as this is what I thought would be
>>the best route, and being able to add more things at a later date to the
>>mix.
>>
>>Fedora Core 3
>>Apache 2, php 4, mysql 4 and vhcs (www.vhcs.net)
>>
>>the problem here was with vhcs and it being a nightmare to configure as
>>it needed all sort of different dependancies most of where were hard to
>>find, it needs courier-imap but I wasn't able to find that rpm and
>>building it from source vhcs didn't like to use it, not to mention
>>various problems with MIME::Entity.
>>
>>Attempt 3 was the sme server from www.contribs.org based on red hat 7.3
>>but comes with all the necessary stuff, but lacking somewhat in other
>>areas, i.e. no c compiler, cd is only 600mb but does the hosting job
>>that I was wanting but nothing else that I was wanting aswell.
>>
>>Attempt 5 was ubuntu, it seems a really nice desktop linux and I do
>>really like it, but cant ssh into it not sure how to get that working,
>>and mythtv package that is in apt doesn't work really, currently still
>>playing with it not been able to get it to play aac audio, althought
>>gtkpod does and works great with my ipod something I never been able to
>>get to work with any other linux distro.
>>
>>If I had to list everything I am wanting it would be as follows.
>>
>>Server capable of being colocated (it wont ever be tho)
>>Capable of adding domains easily to the server and removing them.
>>Adding user and creating ftp accounts.
>>Adding mail accounts also.
>>Maybe be able to run vhcs (www.vhcs.net) if you dont have any other
>>alternatives to try, sorry but webmin isn't very nice.
>>able to install and run icecast streaming radio server, and xmms
>>hopefull with aac audio support ?
>>
>>I have a pvr350 tv tuner card in my linux box, so I would like to be
>>able to install and run mythtv have never had it working yet so that
>>would be a godsend to see it working.
>>
>>I also have a pioneer 108 dvd writer so support for writting dvds also
>>as mythtv can burn recorded programs straight to dvd.
>>
>>
>>
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