[Gllug] [OT] while we're flaming anyway.. (was: Erratic Mouse Behaviour)

[Pete Ryland]

Mate,

For starters, take my comments with a grain of salt, since I'm about 10
parts loaded and just got home...

That said, you should realise that this list is a forum for linux users.
That's why it's called a linux users' group.  It's not primarily about
helping windows users to learn linux, although, as you may have noticed,
most linux users are quite happy to help windows users find their feet
within linux.  It may take a few years for you to get accustomed to the
linux way of doing things, but don't let that discourage you - it was scary
for all of us at first, although some may hardly remember how scary it was.
I'm sure it would take me some time to get accustomed to the nitty gritties
of windows if I was to try to learn how to use it (I'm sure a lot has
changed in windows in the last five years, when I last used it).  Linux is
*very* different to windows.  I cannot emphasise that enough.  Getting
inflamed (and my comment is to both those who are trying to learn and those
who are trying to explain things :) obviously won't help anyone.  Despite
expressing disinterest in joining the linux "community" and instead just
wanting free technical wisdom (I quote "I did not come here ... to make
friends ... but to get helpful advice about Linux.") the people on this list
have been quite accomodating to your questions.  I am new to this list too,
but I am here as a linux user new to the area (actually, on this note, it
should be remembered that I don't represent anyone else but me when I post.
I don't represent a company, a product, nor even GLLUG itself - but I do
hope that my other posts are helpful, funny, or whatever to the other
members of the forum).  Our "resolution" you speak of was off-list in case
you didn't notice, but this mail is explicitly posted to the list in the
hopes that other non-linux users who read it will show a little respect for
the people who quite happily spend their time dispensing free advice to
those outside the community.  I am happy to be the mug to say all this, but
I am of the opinion that it needed to be said, and on-list.

Pete, quite happy with his drunken typing ability. :)

On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 08:49:39PM +0000, James.Rocks at equant.com wrote:
> Stig,
> 
> > That is not a good way of making friends. People are much less reluctant
> > to help you out with problems if they don't get verbally abused for
> > pointing out the mistakes you have done.
> 
> With respect you seem not to have noticed that Nix's message was critical
> of me when the issue HAD been fully resolved ... that, & that alone, was
> the reason I reacted to him the way I did. I am not ashamed of this and
> will undoubtedly react similarly to anyone else who is similarly
> "high-handed" in the future.
> 
> I am also terribly sorry if I misled anyone here ... I am a pretty damned
> good MS techie who came here with a relatively open-mind and a sincere wish
> to find out as much as possible about Linux (believe me I DO want to learn
> about Linux and I DO plan to use it as my primary OS if I can bend it to
> the various tasks I typically pursue). Despite the fact that it is not the
> most popular viewpoint in such a forum I happen consider MS operating
> systems good and think that MS is a pretty good company & Bill Gates
> nowhere near the evil world dominating son-of-Satan some people seem to
> believe him to be. Having dealt with Mac & Linux evangelists in the past
> (as well as idiot religious zealots) I am well aware of the kinds of people
> I might encounter in this group (though I had hoped I might not) and it
> seems I was right. That does not (then or now) make me any more willing to
> put up with such stupidity ... there is no such thing as the perfect OS, it
> isn't MS, it isn't Mac and it certainly isn't Linux and I say that last
> with confidence because I actually do believe that in some respects Linux
> IS a superior OS to anything MS has yet to offer.
> 
> I did not come here (join this list) to make friends (I have friends
> already) but to get helpful advice about Linux. A number of people have
> been extremely helpful and to them I am grateful but I am getting the
> distinct impression that I will soon be unsubscribing :-)
> 
> > Also, please tell your mailclient to include a references and/or a
> In-Reply
> > -To header so that your posts does not break threading. Surely
> > even Lotus Notes should be able to do that?
> 
> I'll ask a colleague sure ... I have made something of a career out of
> trying to avoid knowing anything about Lotus notes :-)
> 
> James

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