http://www.fractalus.com/steve/tmp/signal2noise.jpg Maybe the next one will have "cs.ucl.ac.uk woz ere" or something? Location - opposite budgens just off TCR, just off Gower St. have fun, SteveC steve at fractalus.com fractalus.com/steve -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at linux.co.uk http://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug