[Gllug] OT(ish): Advice

[Richard Cottrill]

My 2c

I looked at gcc + Java and found there were too many caveats for me to be
comfortable with it. It's been a while, so others may have more useful
comments, but my mental note on the topic is "work in progress - may be
useful in some specific cases"

Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: gllug-admin at linux.co.uk [mailto:gllug-admin at linux.co.uk]On Behalf
> Of Sean Burlington
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 7:18 PM
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] OT(ish): Advice
>
>
> Tethys wrote:
> > chris.wareham at btopenworld.com writes:
> >
> >
> >>So I think you'll find that it's the quality of your Java programmers
> >>that is the issue
> >
> >
> > Depsite the normal digs at each other between the development and
> > sysadmin depts, even I have to admit that we have some pretty good
> > Java coders. A few of them could (IMHO) do with having a little
> > more exposure to other languages, but in the main, they're pretty
> > good.
> >
> >
> >>I hated C   with a passion for years, until I learned how to
> use the STL.
> >
> >
> > Yes, the STL is IMHO one of the few redeeming features of C++. BTW, the
> > "++" in your messages seems to be being converted to spaces somewhere
> > along the line.
> >
> >
> >>Perhaps you might see the underlying beauty of Java, and an ability
> >>to ignore its warts with a little more exposure.
> >
> >
> > Quite possibly. But I just wish Sun hadn't made so much of a political
> > issue out of it. It got off to a bad start with its hideous CaMelCasE
>
> I've recently read a couple of (fairly uninformative) articles on the
> Register about Java being open-sourced. (Does anyone know any
> more on this?)
>
> I know there are open source implementations of Java - but they are in
> my limited experience woefully out of date and incompatible with respect
> to Suns offerings.
>
> Java is really held back by its license - it isn't bundled with Linux !
>
> Also - surely Java is slow mostly because of the JVM - but gcc can
> compile Java to native binaries - so if it could do this well wouldn't
> you have the advantages of the Java language without the overhead of the
> JVM ?
>
> I just love the strictness of Java - C++ scares me with the randomness
> that occurs when I make odd erros that would throw a complier
> error in Java.
>
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> Sean
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