[Gllug] sid & kde3

Nix nix at esperi.demon.co.uk
Wed Jul 3 18:07:39 UTC 2002

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Matt Amos uttered the following:
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 05:24:34PM +0100, Nix wrote:
>> >                                                    in contrast gnome 2.0 
>> > is virtually impossible to compile from scratch and the dependancy hell 
>> > requires a set of scripts to do the build for you!
>> But it doesn't look as horrid as KDE, 
> that is a matter of great opinion ;)

Indeed, a religious question. I like the look of the shell prompt more,
anyway. It's more intuitive.

(For me.)

>> and it doesn't use a demented
>> distorted ugly broken dysfunctional core-dumping slow horrible
>> preprocessor[1], and its C++ bindings are substantially nicer than KDE's
>> (why oh why does Qt, even Qt 3, reinvent half the C++ standard library
>> in a completely and totally half-assed way that shows their lack of
>> understanding of anything the STL part of that library is about?)
> iirc, the whole pre-preprocessor and non-compliant syntax in qt which 
> tries to emulate the STL is an attempt to make qt more portable - 
> trolltech didnt seem to think that there was a decent C++ implementation 
> for most platforms.

Um, GCC's been capable of handling the simple stuff they try to do there
for longer than Qt has existed, and GCC is *far* more portable than Qt.

>> Pardon me. I don't like GNOME much, especially their apparent belief
>> that all you need is CORBA bindings for something and you don't need to
>> write bindings to any decent scripting languages at all, and Miguel's
>> apparent desire to add everything that's most broken about Windows into
>> Unix, but it's still a hell of a lot nicer than KDE, from the
>> infrastructural point of view.[2]
> which is probably why it takes as long to load a C++ KDE program as it 
> does to load a CORBA-bound GNOME program.

`From the Association of Uselessly Subjective and Pointless Benchmarks!'

>> [1] I don't even like cpp: but there is *no* excuse for moc.
> how could you not like cpp? its the very basis of code obfuscation 
> competitions! ;)

Exactly :)

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                                             `Oh, no dinner for him...'

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