[Gllug] EU patents

Tue Jul 8 03:00:31 UTC 2003

Mmmmhhh... I think on the extermination issue we should remember the
following British inventions ... oops... discoveries:

1. Lord Kitchener and concentration camps (colonised people didn't fare
badly under British rule?)
2. The mass scalping of the Indians, scalping originally invented by Earl Of
Wessex.

For a summary of this:

http://ct.essortment.com/historyscalpin_rdrp.htm

http://www.dickshovel.com/ind.html

The following quote perhaps interesting:

"In 1703, Massachusetts paid 12 pounds for an Indian scalp. By 1723 the
price had soared to 100 pounds"

I think that counts as extermination? Apart from the fact that we are
slightly deviating off topic here.

On the Indian issue I think that all stolen land (North and South America,
Canada, Alaska, Greenland, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, all the Pacific
Islands commandeered by non-aboriginees etc) should be returned to their
rightful owners, the indigenous populations of those territories. ;) That
would really throw a spanner in the works. Perhaps we'll suddenly remember
who exterminated whom.

Truth is that we (all of us, every living civilisation on this planet) have
murdered and killed our fellow humans for thousands of years, are semantics
really that important at this point to perhaps hide all of our guilt or wash
the blood off all of our hands?

Is it coincidental that only countries that don't have McDonald's (yet) get
bombed? :)

regards

Daniel Ahrens

dan at prankstersproductions.com
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http://www.prankstersproductions.com

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From: gllug-bounces at linux.co.uk [mailto:gllug-bounces at linux.co.uk]On
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Sent: 08 July 2003 02:47
To: Greater London Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Gllug] EU patents

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Thus spaketh Adrian McMenamin on Tuesday 08 July 2003 12:13 am:
> On Monday 07 July 2003 22:38, Alistair Mann wrote:
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> > Thus spaketh Jim Bailey on Monday 07 July 2003 8:27 pm:
> > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:02:02PM +0100, Alistair Mann wrote:
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> > > > Thus spaketh Alain Williams on Tuesday 01 July 2003 12:03 pm:
> > > > > Formi does make the valid point: the biggest international problem
> > > > > at the moment is the uncontrolled US imperialism -- they act in
> > > > > their own best interests. The worrying thing is that they appear
to
> > > > > not be able to understand that what is in their best interests is
> > > > > not always in everyone's best interests.
> > > >
> > > > In absolutely no aspect is this any different from what the British
> > > > did from 1750 to 1950, and the world seems to have fared not at all
> > > > badly.
> > >
> > > Explain that too the millions exterminated in the scramble for empire
> > > during the said period, explain that to the starving worker
slaughtered
> > > at Peterloo under the direct orders of The Duke of Wellington. Explain
> > > that to the people driven from their homes by the enclosures acts.  On
> > > and on it goes.
> >
> > The onus for explanation is, I'm afraid, on you.
> >
> > What is your source that 'millions [were] exterminated' by the British?
>
> Where do you want us to start? The 800,000 killed in Ireland between 1845
> and 1850 alone?

Start wherever you like, just get to 2,000,000 and show how they were
exterminated by the British.

The undoubted and unforgivable cowardice of that Parliament failing Ireland
shames both Parliament and the British.

The problem here, however, is the definition of 'exterminate'. All
definitions
of the word I've found require that a) there was a policy (ie, one cannot
'accidentally' exterminate) and b) that the deaths of all are sought. (ie,
one cannot exterminate every second person).

Such policy as there was, among other things, misguidely attempted to get
the
Irish 'on their bikes'. So, the policy was not one of extermination.
Trevelyan (head of relief) was clear that he thought God would choose which
of the Irish were to live or die. Therefore, the intent was also not one of
extermination. Criminal indifference? Yes. Extermination? No.
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Alistair
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