[Gllug] VACANCY: Junior Systems Support

[Christopher Hunter]

On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 10:50 +0100, Vidar Hokstad wrote:
> Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote:
> > I'm not entirely sure why 'Victrorian' is being used as a pejorative
> > term.  I don't think I share the economic or social view of
> > Christopher or Hari but I think a person who lives sustainably should
> > be admired, not pilloried. 
> I don't think "living sustainably" is what people have a problem with, 
> but his attitudes in other messages and the assumption that what they 
> have is somehow attainable for most people if only they worked harder, 
> and the implicit assumption that people who run into problems in their 
> life just have themselves to blame.  That is at least what was hard to 
> swallow for me.

Unfortunately, it's the existence of the "welfare state" and the
pernicious influence of the bogus "socialists" with their "equality"
nonsense that has largely got us all into the current mess.  This
"government" has done all it can to hide the real unemployment figures -
all the silly "make work" schemes (reminiscent of soviet communism),
bogus "education" schemes and long-term sickness benefits have just
drained the public purse for the benefit of close to 25% of the adult
population that just can't be arsed to do any work.

"Education" has been progressively degraded and devalued because the
LAST thing this government wants is a populace that can actually think
for themselves.  They just give them enough to eat, give them houses
(for nothing) to live in, televisions showing nothing by vacuous pap,
cheap alcohol and other drugs to keep them docile...

> It _is_ an attitude that most people left behind in Victorian times, and 
> that shows a massive lack of respect for the people providing a vast 
> proportion of the services society needs to function, yet who make 
> little enough that they'd easily find themselves in trouble if society 
> did not provide a security net.

Nonsense.

>  The comparison to Victorian times is apt 
> since it saw the UK at the centre of the rise of social conscience, both 
> through writers like Dickens, and socialist thinkers (Christopher 
> probably would prefer not to think about the fact that Marx lived, and 
> is buried, in London...).

Marx is entirely discredited, and his ideas led to just another way of
keeping the peasants docile and allowing the pigs to enjoy their trough.

> Sure, if you make as much as Christopher or me, you could probably live 
> better by moving somewhere where nobody cares about ordinary people and 
> taxes are accordingly lower. 

Yes - and you'd be happier for it.

> Personally I wouldn't want to.

That's your choice (however misguided it might be), and you're welcome
to it.

>  I'm happy to 
> know that people around me will be taken reasonable care of if they need 
> help,

Why?  Why on earth should YOU have to pay for some indolent lard-arsed
family of drunks paying for their bad habits with the fruits of YOUR
labour?

>  and I don't feel the least bit sorry for people at our salary 
> level who complain about the levels of tax in the UK.

Well - indulge your "social conscience" and buy some food for the people
living rough in London.  Not one of them will thank you for it, but if
you bought them some cheap booze, they'd see you as their saviour!!

C.


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