[Gllug] VACANCY: Junior Systems Support

[Vidar Hokstad]

Christopher Hunter wrote:
> Unfortunately, it's the existence of the "welfare state" and the
> pernicious influence of the bogus "socialists" with their "equality"
> nonsense that has largely got us all into the current mess.
"This current mess" of a welfare state is far better for most people 
than society the way it used to be. Be bitter because the majority is 
not willing to support your Randian wet dream all you like, but don't 
expect it to change as long as most people recognize the value of what 
they get from having a social welfare system available.
> Marx is entirely discredited, and his ideas led to just another way of
> keeping the peasants docile and allowing the pigs to enjoy their trough.
>   
Whether or not one agrees with Marxism, most of the modern welfare state 
is heavily based on ideas that gained prominence in via Marx and Marxist 
ideologers, via Bernsteins reformism. That others twisted and abused his 
ideas doesn't change that fact. To call Marx "entirely discredited" is 
to ignore the history of the workers movements in practically every 
developed country and the effect his ideas had on them.
>> Sure, if you make as much as Christopher or me, you could probably live 
>> better by moving somewhere where nobody cares about ordinary people and 
>> taxes are accordingly lower. 
>>     
>
> Yes - and you'd be happier for it.
>   
No, I'd be miserable seeing the suffering around me and/or walling 
myself off from the world to avoid them. Either way, I much prefer the 
UK or my native Norway to anywhere that's likely to make you happy.
> Why?  Why on earth should YOU have to pay for some indolent lard-arsed
> family of drunks paying for their bad habits with the fruits of YOUR
> labour?
>   

Contrary to your assumption, almost everyone I've met who has needed 
help from the government has been hard working, decent people who has 
been in need of help due to circumstances largely or totally beyond 
their control; yes, there will bad seeds; no, I'm not going to support 
changes that will cause hardships for all the people who genuinely need 
help just because of some abuse. Your characterization is extremely 
arrogant, and insulting to all those hard working people who has found 
themselves in trouble at one time or another.

This is my last word on the matter - if you do reply, I'll read it out 
of courtesy, but I won't bother with another response.

Vidar


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