[Gllug] Unsubscribing and why

[Lesley Binks]

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 03:45:48PM +0100, Dean Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 03:35:56PM +0100, pmgazz wrote:
> 
> Hi pmgazz,
> 
> > I just exited from a flame in #GLLUG - can't stay on a list where people  
> > are prepared to call women 'slappers', 'chavs' etc - or to make the kind  
> > of contemptuous statements about working class people and/or women that  
> > I was really shocked to hear.
> 
> It's scant consolation but the mailing list and IRC channel are very
> different in nature, and although those kind of comments are NOT acceptable
> on either it's much easier for us to police them here on the mailing list.
> 
> After a quick look it seems that none of the GLLUG admins have ops in the
> channel at the moment so kicking them isn't going to happen quickly.
> 

If there are no ops in an IRC channel the trolls can come out from wherever 
they are and play with channel participants to find an easy target.
They will *always* try for easy targets - typically being abusive to 
minority groups and try to wind them up.  If any channel participants 
are known to be sensitive about any particular area or are known to rise 
to the bait, the trolls are happy and will feed joyously upon thee.  
I suspect they score points on how riled their victims get.

> > I don't think it's helpful for FLOSS groups to create environments which  
> > are frankly hostile to women or to people who do not have privileged  
> > backgrounds and I'm sorry that I'm therefore not able to participate in  
> > my local LUG.
> 
> Please don't allow one incident, as offensive as it is, to be the
> reason not to participate in the group. GLLUG as a whole is very
> inclusive and has always had a policy to encourage participation and
> welcome new members.

I'll now point out the sign that says "Don't feed the trolls" to the OP.

If any channel I am in degenerates due to trolls and their bait 
I take the easy option and leave - much better for my blood pressure. 
Or I simply use the /ignore command

Otherwise you're blaming the members of this list and bona fide
channel participants for the behaviour of some passing kiddie low-lifes
who have upset you - which hardly seems fair.

Even so, it would be useful if you would let people see the transcript
so some work can be done by the channel ops. 

Regards

Lesley 
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