[Gllug] Fedora Core 14

Nix nix at esperi.org.uk
Fri Feb 3 14:19:46 UTC 2012

On 3 Feb 2012, Tethys . spake thusly:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, James Courtier-Dutton
> <james.dutton at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I now use debian and ubuntu mostly, and I have never had "update
>> headaches" with them.
> That is 100% unrelated to the package manager. Anyone that wants to
> claim otherwise better be prepared to back it up with hard facts. In
> fact, I've only ever come across a single significant problem with
> RPM[1]. Every other update problem I've ever heard of has been due to
> third party packages being installed on the system, something that
> would cause exactly the same problem on dpkg based distributions.

Quite. The problem here was not RPM. The problem here was that RH is not
a rolling-update distribution, so you have to do periodic wipe-and-
reinstall giant flag days.

And periodic wipe-and-reinstall giant flag days are *so* not what I want
on the virtual machine that connects me to $work.

> [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=119185 -- This kicked
> off a massive shitstorm and ultimately resulted in Jeff Johnson
> leaving Red Hat.

Oh, yes, that gorgeous CLM, I remember that. (Weren't there even
pro-forma denials that this bug was actually the reason for the
departure? Normally there would be. If they didn't even see fit to deny
it, well, oh dear.)

With Ulrich Drepper's departure I'm not sure there are any epically
hard-to-work-with people left at RH. (Though Uli is *far* more clued-up
than Jeff ever was -- he just has no understanding of little things like
social glue, common courtesy, or, I sometimes think, the existence of
other human beings. Uli also has the debatable excuse that English is
not his native tongue.)

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