[Klug-general] Hello and an Introduction

[MacGyveR]

On Wednesday 26 Apr 2006 16:04, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > > Hey, nobodies perfect ;P
> >
> > Do I spy the start of a distro war here?
>
> Why bother, it only ends up with a senseless argument where no-one
> understands that opinions are valid no matter what they are, but
> still... I wouldn't choose gentoo.
>
> > >> I've recently started shell scripting and my first sucessful script
> > >> creates name-based vhosts on Apache (I can provide a copy if anyone
> > >> would like a look, it's under the GPL of course!).
> > >
> > > Do you program in any other languages? Python, Perl, PHP?
> >
> > PHP mainly.  I've touched on C/C++ but as I've had to learn it all of
> > my own back, it's not so hot.
>
> C is cool, very easy to use in linux very well supported and documented
> of course, as its the language of the kernel. C is for the most part
> (ignoring function pointers structures and list and tree entities) is
> only a procedural language, its pretty basic but not B.A.S.I.C ;) C++ I
> used to be very fond of once upon a time, which was back when I was
> writing DOS programs, and studying. C++ has its moments, but its a very
> bloaty language, a 1k file can generate a 5M binary if you're not
> careful. I don't really write linux code in C++ yet, I've been on C
> mostly because its easier in many respects, but now with codegen/dia
> working nicely together I may dabble a bit more ;) the object
> orientation of C++ is fairly primitive in that there is no inbuilt
> garbage collection etc... I doubt it has serious usefulness nowadays.
> Especially with C#
>
> > I'd love to learn more though, especially perl.  I'm not really a
> > programer, however I can really see where perl, python etc can help
> > SysAdmins automate things.
>
> Perverse Eclectic Rubbish Lister ;) perl is good, there is a tendancy
> for people to rely on it in system administration and it can become very
> messy very quickly. IMHO perl only has a single redeeming feature which
> is the extensive support for regular expressions, perl is primarily a
> text processor, so if you wanted to expand the script you previously
> mentioned to be able to change settings inside of the apache XML quickly
> without using DOM/SAX perl is the way to go, the re processing would
> allow you to hack something up in about 10-15 lines this is perls
> advantage, quick to prototype to working script, however some people
> have the strangest notion you should write large applications in it... I
> don't know where they got that idea from, but leave them to it, I know I
> prefer things with more capable debugging facilities.
>
> Python isn't great for sysadmin tasks i don't think, it has great
> features in the way of OOp but apart from that it seems more a serious
> application language, with built in garbage collection and object
> dereferencing python is a killer language. You can start things in
> python and realise how far you can take the concept, then instead of
> being a script its a mona lisa (the one da vinci carried around his
> whole life modifying because it wasn't quite right).
>
> Anyway, i rant.
>
> K,
>
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When you use perl modules such as Class:DBI or Catalyst, then you can make 
some really cool apps quickly with perl, without creating a monster. I can't 
count how many open source PHP apps I've seen that you never want to touch 
the source.

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