[Klug-general] Interactive Websites

[Peter Childs]

Nope No wonder the web is cutting out normal people when its that
complex, its a different language in a different format for every job.
I'm fast heading towards believing that the entire internet needs
redesigning from the ground up.
Some of the tasks can be completed in multiple different ways at
different levels of the model.
I mean even if the had XML structured Css it would have helped but no
its a complely different format.
I'm a developer thats fine but really I want to let others design and
get the english and graphics correct with out having to worry about
the technical asspects but currently this is impossible.
If I need to write some quick code to get somthing to work, then fine.
but ideally I should be able to leave the design to somone else and
just worry about the code.
Currently I need to get them to put there design on paper (yes good
old fasioned paper) and then copy it using a minumum of 2 different
complicated languages.
Right enough flaming for 5am I'll go to work now.

Peter

On 07/12/06, Allen Brooker <allen.brooker at allenjb.me.uk> wrote:
> Peter Childs wrote:
> > Right Second post in ten minutes, its been rather quite so I thought
> > this place needed some livening up. Unless your all positing on the
> > wiki now and I can't be be bothered to look, I have wiki and forums..
> > and that comes from someone using gmail......
> >
> > I need to create a interactive web site, Rather not give details its
> > for work. Basically we have a large C++ Qt application and and want to
> > transfer it or enhance it with an interactive website.
> >
> > Anyway I'm trying to work out what tools to use because I'm getting a
> > bit lost.
> >
> > I mean the web just has too many bits.
> >
> > Php/Perl/Java/SSI (Pick one)
> > Html
> > Javascript (with all its ie/firefox/opera differences)
> > CSS (Yes thats a 4th complely different language)
> > AJAX (Which is really more of an idea than a langauge)
> > GWT (Oh that encapsulates most of the above into java)
> > JPEG
> > PNG
> > GIF
> > ActiveX
> > Flash
> >
> > Are you confused yet?
> >
> > I want to know where to start what to use.
> >
> > I've been looking at Dojo/Php/HTML/CSS but thats still 4 complete
> > different langaues to learn which does not help. And I'm a programmer
> > not a designer so I should be able to cope. But I don't know how a
> > Designer with no programming skills would cope with the web currently.
> >
> > Please bring back the paper and pencil at least then you only had to
> > chouse between type of pen/pencil and type of paper....
> >
> > Peter.
> Hi Peter,
>
> You're going to need to use a number of different "languages" whatever
> you do as each one serves a different purpose.
>
> HTML - This is a document markup language. It allows you to give
> structure to what would otherwise be a plain text document.
>
> CSS - This is a style markup language. It allows you to determine how a
> document should look on different mediums (in this case, notably the
> screen and possibly print - there's also stuff going on for other
> mediums such as speech at the moment. I'm not sure what stage they're at).
>
> JavaScript - This is a client-side scripting language that allows you to
> do programmed actions on the client side. This tends to give a snappier
> response than server side scripting, but at the cost of security (JS can
> be interfered with / results changed before sending to server) and
> reliability (JS may be disabled or features not implemented on the given
> platform).
>
> PHP / Python / Perl / whatever - These are server-side scripting
> languages that allow you to do programmed actions on the server.
> Personally I recommend PHP because it's easy to pick up and is well
> documented.
>
> Java / ActiveX - I wouldn't worry about these. Nobody really uses Java
> stuff on the web these days (except maybe JSP on the server side - but
> uptake is still very low compared to PHP). ActiveX is platform specific
> and there's lots of issues revolving around security and permissions.
>
> Flash - Don't get me started. Just stay away =P
>
> JPEG / PNG / GIF - These are different image formats, each ideal for
> different types of images (is it a photo, does it have large blocks of
> colour, etc).
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Allen
>
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