[Klug-general] Interactive Websites

[Peter Childs]

On 14/12/06, Peter Childs <peterachilds at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope No wonder the web is cutting out normal people when its that
> complex, its a different language in a different format for every job.
> I'm fast heading towards believing that the entire internet needs
> redesigning from the ground up.
> Some of the tasks can be completed in multiple different ways at
> different levels of the model.
> I mean even if the had XML structured Css it would have helped but no
> its a complely different format.
> I'm a developer thats fine but really I want to let others design and
> get the english and graphics correct with out having to worry about
> the technical asspects but currently this is impossible.
> If I need to write some quick code to get somthing to work, then fine.
> but ideally I should be able to leave the design to somone else and
> just worry about the code.
> Currently I need to get them to put there design on paper (yes good
> old fasioned paper) and then copy it using a minumum of 2 different
> complicated languages.
> Right enough flaming for 5am I'll go to work now.
>
> Peter
>
> On 07/12/06, Allen Brooker <allen.brooker at allenjb.me.uk> wrote:
> > Peter Childs wrote:
> > > Right Second post in ten minutes, its been rather quite so I thought
> > > this place needed some livening up. Unless your all positing on the
> > > wiki now and I can't be be bothered to look, I have wiki and forums..
> > > and that comes from someone using gmail......
> > >
> > > I need to create a interactive web site, Rather not give details its
> > > for work. Basically we have a large C++ Qt application and and want to
> > > transfer it or enhance it with an interactive website.
> > >
> > > Anyway I'm trying to work out what tools to use because I'm getting a
> > > bit lost.
> > >
> > > I mean the web just has too many bits.
> > >
> > > Php/Perl/Java/SSI (Pick one)
> > > Html
> > > Javascript (with all its ie/firefox/opera differences)
> > > CSS (Yes thats a 4th complely different language)
> > > AJAX (Which is really more of an idea than a langauge)
> > > GWT (Oh that encapsulates most of the above into java)
> > > JPEG
> > > PNG
> > > GIF
> > > ActiveX
> > > Flash
> > >
> > > Are you confused yet?
> > >
> > > I want to know where to start what to use.
> > >
> > > I've been looking at Dojo/Php/HTML/CSS but thats still 4 complete
> > > different langaues to learn which does not help. And I'm a programmer
> > > not a designer so I should be able to cope. But I don't know how a
> > > Designer with no programming skills would cope with the web currently.
> > >
> > > Please bring back the paper and pencil at least then you only had to
> > > chouse between type of pen/pencil and type of paper....
> > >
> > > Peter.
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > You're going to need to use a number of different "languages" whatever
> > you do as each one serves a different purpose.
> >
> > HTML - This is a document markup language. It allows you to give
> > structure to what would otherwise be a plain text document.
> >
> > CSS - This is a style markup language. It allows you to determine how a
> > document should look on different mediums (in this case, notably the
> > screen and possibly print - there's also stuff going on for other
> > mediums such as speech at the moment. I'm not sure what stage they're at).
> >
> > JavaScript - This is a client-side scripting language that allows you to
> > do programmed actions on the client side. This tends to give a snappier
> > response than server side scripting, but at the cost of security (JS can
> > be interfered with / results changed before sending to server) and
> > reliability (JS may be disabled or features not implemented on the given
> > platform).
> >
> > PHP / Python / Perl / whatever - These are server-side scripting
> > languages that allow you to do programmed actions on the server.
> > Personally I recommend PHP because it's easy to pick up and is well
> > documented.
> >
> > Java / ActiveX - I wouldn't worry about these. Nobody really uses Java
> > stuff on the web these days (except maybe JSP on the server side - but
> > uptake is still very low compared to PHP). ActiveX is platform specific
> > and there's lots of issues revolving around security and permissions.
> >
> > Flash - Don't get me started. Just stay away =P
> >
> > JPEG / PNG / GIF - These are different image formats, each ideal for
> > different types of images (is it a photo, does it have large blocks of
> > colour, etc).
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > Allen
> >
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> >
>

Sorry if this felt like a flame, It was not meant as such. I just
don't think the web sould need every writer for it to achieve and
entry level of geek before they can put up a well formated page that
says "Hello World"

Peter.