[Klug-general] Klug documentation

[Colin_The_Technician]

I have attached a log of our Virtual Kent Linux User Group IRC Meeting
for those who are interested to reading what was discussed last night.
 We all appreciate the work Kevin has done for KLUG and for it to
continue we 'all' need to give a helping hand and share the work.

We can only have a LUG community if we work together.
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AFTER SKYPE LET US DOWN BY GIVING US LOTS OF ECHO WE CONTINUED OUR MEETING IN THE IRC CHANNEL.  HERE IS WHAT WAS SAID OR TYPED.

21:23 < danbuntu> right lets get this show on the road
21:23 <@Colin> so back to our virtual meeting :-) dan you were saying we should first concentrate on the website to focus and involve members?
21:24 < danbuntu> i think it shuld be area to focus 
21:24 -!- Netsplit tabasco.hub.eu.blitzed.org <-> penguin.uk.eu.blitzed.org quits: @boudiccas
21:24 < Guest3288> http://www.marratech.com/download/ web conference on linux?
21:25 < cokehabit> have i missed it
21:25 < MacGyveR> i only found out we had a website last year
21:25 <@Colin> what are people's thoughts on the current site
21:25 < cokehabit> just had dinner
21:25 < MacGyveR> it would be good if the mailing list was on the website and what was posted on the website was on the list
21:26 < MacGyveR> what's the url?
21:26 < cokehabit> http://kent.lug.org.uk/
21:26 < cokehabit>  /topic
21:27 < danbuntu> i think the site should be nice and shiny
21:27 < danbuntu> not grey and blue
21:27 < danbuntu> forums are good, not for everyone
21:27 < danbuntu> I was hoping joomla would do an irc module
21:27 < danbuntu> but no such luck
21:28 < MacGyveR> i thknk having a forum and a mailing list is not needed one or the other maybe?
21:28 < Guest3288> website is good but could we link it to holding meetings and video conferencing on the web?
21:28 < MacGyveR> an meeting minutes so others can know whats going on
21:28 <@Colin> tonights topic for those that don't know is about the future of the LUG, where is it going, who is driving and what can be improved
21:29 < Guest3288> many other LUGs have virtual meetings dont they?
21:29 < danbuntu> I think everything we do should like to the site
21:29 < danbuntu> pubs meetings, weekend meets, conferecning stuff
21:29 < danbuntu> the whole shebang
21:30 < Guest3288> all symbolically condensed onto a site?
21:30 < danbuntu> absolutely
21:30 <@Colin> i prefer forums as they are found by more people on the internet and more people are likely to signup to them.
21:30 <@Colin> i know some poeple prefer mailing lists though
21:31 <@Colin> as slightly old school and say email easier to check.
21:31 < cokehabit> the website would be good if we could have photos and stuff
21:31 <@Colin> yeah it needs to be more colourful
21:31 < danbuntu> maybe we have a mailing list to forums officer 
21:31 <@Colin> more inviting.
21:31 < Guest3288> i like KLUG now becasue there is a healthy combo of friendly physical meetings, IRC, email, website, but i think K is a genius and KLUG will suffer without K 
21:31 < danbuntu> someone who condenses the forums to the mailing list 
21:31 < danbuntu> and visa versa
21:32 < danbuntu> kevs great and done a lot of good work
21:32 < danbuntu> there would be no klug without him
21:32 < danbuntu> I do think however there there is to much for just one person to do
21:33 < danbuntu> we should probably be a bit more commity based 
21:33 < danbuntu> I'm pretty this is how hants lug works
21:34 < MacGyveR> wiki?
21:34 < Guest3288> what other events could KLUG have in the future?
21:34 < danbuntu> wikis are good it they are used
21:35 < danbuntu> an other option is a planet
21:35 < Guest3288> is the mailing list going to be the main way to keep us up to date?
21:36 < danbuntu> i think that yes it will be
21:36 <@Colin> i don't know is our current site will do want we need, or do it easily.
21:36 < danbuntu> but should also be mirrored onto the site
21:36 <@Colin> so  should we look at other options?
21:37 <@Colin> other site programs that would do more of what the lug needs?
21:37 < danbuntu> and a web master to over see it
21:37 <@Colin> something like Joomla or Durpal etc
21:37 -!- boudiccas [~boudiccas at 88-108-113-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #klug
21:38 < cokehabit> joomla would be good 
21:39 < danbuntu> where would we host the site?
21:39 -!- mode/#klug [+o boudiccas] by ChanServ
21:40 <@Colin> would make sense to get a hosting company
21:40 <@Colin> so not relient on one person.
21:40 <@boudiccas> teamspeak looks good and it looks thatit can easily record it too
21:40 <@Colin> but would require some funds, which makes a problem of financing
21:42  * garyr works for a hosting company...
21:42 < danbuntu> did i ever tell you how much i love you gary?
21:42 < danbuntu> :-)
21:42 < garyr> Heh
21:43 <@boudiccas> garyr; would you get a discount for hosting for us?
21:43 < garyr> Depends what you'd need. If it's nothing too serious, then I can probably stick something in as a personal server.
21:43 < MacGyveR> i can host you guys
21:43 < MacGyveR> www.devisland.net
21:44 < danbuntu> well need some space, a couple of mysql databases, php etc
21:44 < MacGyveR> but its ont in a bunker
21:45 < garyr> danbuntu, shouldn't be a prob.
21:45 < garyr> I even have a personal box that I wanted to nuke and reinstall anyway
21:46 < danbuntu> no personal boxes
21:46 < danbuntu> I know what we're all like
21:46 < garyr> ?
21:46 < danbuntu> it's will be broken avery 5th week
21:46 < garyr> heh
21:47 <@boudiccas> this one has been up since last November, but does need some down time to take out a dead h/d
21:47 < danbuntu> so can we say that we have two offers of hosting, agreement on joomla, vague aggreement on what the site should contain?
21:47  * MacGyveR owns also works for a hosting company
21:47 <@boudiccas> novemebr 2005 that is
21:49 -!- MrEd [~cooldude5 at host86-147-163-184.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #KLUG
21:49 < MrEd> hey
21:49 < Guest3288> will KLUG ever have structured round table discussions where members have a conference about hot Linux related topics?
21:49 < Guest3288> will there ever be any formal presentations like Hants LUG did?
21:50 <@boudiccas> could/would Kevin host us?
21:50 < cokehabit> danbuntu: i think you should send all the questions and answers to the list for the agreement of those who aren't here
21:50 <@boudiccas> as he's already got the groups website up and running
21:51 < danbuntu> klug site is on his own server i think
21:51 <@Colin> hello MrEd
21:51 < MrEd> hey
21:51 < danbuntu> i don't konw if he will be happy continuing that - i'll ask hime
21:51 <@boudiccas> teamspeak is easy to setup, but i can't speak for the server side of it
21:51 < Guest3288> could colin be the new webmaster if K retires?
21:51 < danbuntu> cokehabit suggests that all questions are sent out to the mailing list for further disscussion
21:52 < danbuntu> good idea
21:52 < MacGyveR> here here
21:52 <@Colin> i am happy to take over that role
21:52 <@boudiccas> cokehabit; good idea George
21:52 < cokehabit> well, not really that much discussion, just more to see if we have any objections
21:52 < Guest3288> i am happy to help with any role.
21:52 < cokehabit> i doubt there will be
21:52 <@boudiccas> Colin; are you willing for your name and phone number to appear in Linux Format?
21:53 < cokehabit> does everyone in here work for a hosting company of something :)
21:53 < cokehabit> s/of/or
21:53 <@boudiccas> becuase thats one thing that is needed, a contact person for Linux Format
21:53 < danbuntu> ok jim do you want to scrape the mail together of questions?
21:53 < MacGyveR> it's the main thing that you can get work in round here
21:54 <@Colin> Linux Format could direct people to the site
21:54 <@Colin> and then on the site have my online contact details.
21:54 < Guest3288> ok. i will collate all the questions for the mailing list.
21:54 <@Colin> like email and skpye
21:54 <@Colin> that would be ok.
21:54 < danbuntu> cools
21:54 < Guest3288> could we get support from Open Forum Europe and LPI? why not, i know them all :)
21:55 <@boudiccas> nice
21:55 < MacGyveR> sounds like we all have the contacts to make this work
21:56 -!- MacGyveR [~mark at firewall.devisland.net] has left #klug []
21:57 <@Colin> so after building the website and relaunching the online community, where do we go next?
21:58 < Guest3288> i met stephen & the MD & stephen A of OFE last week and it sounds like LPI is looking to expand in the UK now and promote linux training with the recent promotion of John M as head of europe for LPI we can establish a linux training partner program and use those funds to raise funds for KLUG
21:58 <@boudiccas> do we continue with the social meeting in two venues once a month in each? [if that makes sense?]
21:58 < cokehabit> i think we should have a tab in a pub and we all pay ??2 a month and that goes to pay for it :D
21:58 < Guest3288> or we could just meet in the pub.....
21:58 < cokehabit> damn, i never thought of that
21:59 < danbuntu> i think the social meets have worked well
21:59 <@boudiccas> i found the social meeting last friday very good and thoroughly enjoyed it
21:59 < cokehabit> Colin: could there be some way to get the KLUG name round kent a bit more?
21:59 < Guest3288> alliance with other klugs. will social meets now be regular then?
22:00 <@boudiccas> If someone can design an A5 flyer I can get it put in the computer shop [abatec] in twon
22:00 < cokehabit> we could organise for people who haven't used linux to come along to meetings and we show them what it is all about
22:00 <@boudiccas> *town
22:00 < Guest3288> sorry, alliance with other LUGS
22:00 < danbuntu> posters, damm fine idea
22:00 <@Colin> We could fly posting around Gillingham
22:00 < cokehabit> boudiccas: abatrc is where Tim used to get all his stuff as well
22:00 <@Colin> and other towns.
22:00 < danbuntu> how about a bit of advocacy at local computers fairs?
22:00 < cokehabit> *abatec
22:01 < Guest3288> yes!
22:01 < danbuntu> alan can help us out with posters, stickers and the like
22:01 <@boudiccas> cokehabit; i've bought this machine offen them :)
22:01 <@Colin> get something in the social section of the paper for local meetings.
22:01 <@Colin> i know photography clubs and mum and babes clubs get listed.
22:02 < cokehabit> if you really want to go far we could set up a KLUG charity and get government funding for all this
22:02 < danbuntu> wooo reel it in a bit
22:02 < cokehabit> lol
22:02 < danbuntu> lets keep to the here and now
22:02 <@boudiccas> cokehabit; that would require a constitution, quorums and committees
22:02 < Guest3288> kent is not exactly Silicon Valley
22:02 < cokehabit> i'll ask a friend in Redmond if they can sponsor us
22:03 < danbuntu> a consitution might be an idea though
22:03 < danbuntu> hants have one becuase they charge subs
22:04 <@Colin> a mission statement could be good.
22:04 <@Colin> an objective for the LUG what we hope to acheive
22:04 <@Colin> apart from world domination :-)
22:05 < cokehabit> it would be good if we did some social networking, found out about other people's jobs
22:05 <@boudiccas> i like teamspeak from what I've seen ofi t
22:05 <@boudiccas> *of it
22:06 < danbuntu> how about 5 minute microtalks
22:06 < danbuntu> macgaver can do one on how he works as a webadmin
22:06 < danbuntu> the garyr can do one on how he works as a webadmin
22:06 < danbuntu> then cokehabit can do one on how he works as a webadmin
22:06 < danbuntu> then danbuntu can do one on how he works as a webadmin
22:06 < danbuntu> etc
22:07 < danbuntu> etc
22:07 <@Colin> cokehabit yes stuff like that could be on the website, if everyone had a FULL profile, with picture etc.
22:07 <@boudiccas> karl Latimer can do one of Kent Music School
22:07 <@Colin> make it easy to make virtual people with physical people we meet at meetings
22:07 -!- PlasticFish [~Robotkid1 at host-84-9-103-254.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #klug
22:07 < PlasticFish> ahoy hoy
22:08 < danbuntu> evening
22:08 <@boudiccas> we're getting some really weird people in here tonight :o))))
22:08 < PlasticFish> yeh...that Mr Ed...hes one of them
22:08 <@Colin> hey don;t scare them off so qucikly :-)
22:08 <@Colin> arh...now i know
22:08 < MrEd> thanks plastic
22:09 <@Colin> MrEd is a student and I am guessing PlasticFish is his friend.
22:09 < cokehabit> boudiccas: Karl can teach me to play the piano
22:09 < MrEd> yep thats the one
22:09 <@Colin> remember I can delete your H: drives so play nice :-)
22:09 <@boudiccas> i'm quite happy to push the Maidstone social meeting in the mailing list
22:09 < danbuntu> next topic
22:09 < MrEd> lol okay
22:09 < cokehabit> danbuntu: me? webadmin? i wouldn't lower myself ;)
22:10 < cokehabit> next topic...
22:10 < PlasticFish> where the ladies at?
22:10 < cokehabit> ban all dominatrix gear from meetups
22:10 <@Colin> MrEd and Plastic you should come to our next meeting in Rochester. only a short trip on the train, (if your parents let you)
22:10 <@boudiccas> cokehabit; lol
22:11 < PlasticFish> well...what the parents dont know...
22:11 < cokehabit> danbuntu: boudiccas in agreement?
22:11 < MrEd> lmao
22:11 <@boudiccas> lol
22:11 < MrEd> yer sure, would be intresting 
22:11 < cokehabit> no more nipple clamps or rope in pubs in maidstone
22:11 <@boudiccas> no comment :)
22:12 < danbuntu> next topic
22:12 < danbuntu> anyone got any further suggests
22:12 < cokehabit> boudiccas: i get the feeling that people think i'm joking
22:12 < PlasticFish> u guys sure change topic fast...
22:12 < danbuntu> or shall we start to divvy up jobs?
22:12 < cokehabit> erm...
22:13 <@Colin> PlasticFish we have a lot to decide about how our Linux User Group will be run this year.
22:13 <@Colin> I accept the website admin role, if someone will nominate me and second me.
22:14 < MrEd> yep will do
22:14 < PlasticFish> i nominate collin
22:14 < cokehabit> i nominate Colin 
22:14 <@boudiccas> Colin; seconded
22:14 < PlasticFish> and second that
22:14 < MrEd> second that aswell 
22:14 < danbuntu> third'ed
22:14 <@Colin> yay I WIN!!!!
22:14 < danbuntu> i'm happy to help out with any joomla related issues
22:15 < cokehabit> i'm not, i hate the thing
22:15 <@Colin> thanks i nominate you as Vice Website Admin.
22:15 < danbuntu> desgin and construction type tasks
22:15 <@Colin> will mean we can't take the same plane though :-)
22:15 < cokehabit> forum plugin needed as well as photo gallery plugin
22:16 < danbuntu> phpbb and gallery2, way ahead of you
22:16 <@Colin> don't worry i will plugin it to the MAX!
22:16 < danbuntu> i nominate boudiccas as social securitary
22:17 < danbuntu> and chief beer finder
22:17 <@boudiccas> social security?
22:17 < danbuntu> i can't spell
22:17 <@Colin> i second boudiccas
22:17 < danbuntu> or type
22:17 < danbuntu> it's a bad combination
22:17 <@Colin> as Social Secretary
22:17 <@boudiccas> looks like i've been dabbed then
22:18 < danbuntu> ladies and gentlemen we have another winner!
22:18 < MrEd> well done 
22:18 < dogsby> Should these appointments be discussed on the mailing list first?
22:18 < danbuntu> anyone for anymore?
22:18 <@boudiccas> I can't make the Canterbury social meeting though
22:19 < danbuntu> we can discuss on mailing lists, i'm worried that things will go round in circles
22:19 <@Colin> we will post suggestions on mailing list for people to voice opinions
22:19 <@popey> evening all
22:19 < cokehabit> dont i get a nomination for at least something?
22:20 < cokehabit> what about the tea boy?
22:20 <@Colin> sorry i drink coffee
22:20 < PlasticFish> gotta have a tea boy
22:20 < cokehabit> lol
22:20 < danbuntu> perhaps we spec out the roles in more detail on using writely
22:20 <@Colin> evening Popey
22:20 < MrEd> he does drink coffee
22:20 < danbuntu> and then arrange another irc to tie up an lose ends
22:21 <@Colin> busy night here at the Virtual Kent Skpye Did Not Work For Use LUG Cast Now IRC Meeting
22:21 < Guest3288> these appointments should be discussed on the mailing list, don't you think?
22:21 <@popey> Colin: if you need a constitution we have one you can use as a template
22:21 <@Colin> oh yes please
22:21 < MrEd> tea boy anyone want to nominate me and second me
22:21 <@Colin> would like to look at that
22:21 <@popey> www.hantslug.org.uk/files/constitution.pdf
22:21 <@popey> www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LUGConstitution
22:22 < PlasticFish> i nominate mr ed
22:22 < PlasticFish> u better supply coffee aswell
22:22 < MrEd> yer sure thing, milk 2 sugars
22:22 < PlasticFish> splendid
22:23 < danbuntu> jim if you get the details together and post to the mailing list then we can discuss them more there 
22:23 < danbuntu> I think at some point we need to have a final discussion though
22:23 < danbuntu> be it on irc, face to face or whatever
22:23 <@Colin> yes a cut off date
22:23 < cokehabit> i nominate Karl and JD as the KLUG husband and wife
22:24 < danbuntu> a match made in heaven
22:24 < danbuntu> i'll buy them an iphone as a wedding gift
22:24 <@boudiccas> how about cut off date being 10-02-07, the next maidstone social meeting?
22:25 < cokehabit> cut off date
22:25 < cokehabit> ?
22:26 < danbuntu> why not the 4th, it's a bit nearer
22:26 < danbuntu> keep the ball rolling
22:26 <@boudiccas> k, fair enough
22:26 < danbuntu> for the cut of date
22:27 < danbuntu> 10th for the maidsotne meeting is fine
22:27 <@Colin> cokehabit a cut off date for decisions on the direction of the LUG
22:27 < cokehabit> i say we just make it a week
22:28 < cokehabit> no need to drag it out too long
22:28 < dogsby> I say keep it short too.
22:28 < cokehabit> everyone would have got the email's by then
22:28 <@Colin> ok i agree
22:29 <@boudiccas> wher is our mail server? who runs it?
22:29 <@boudiccas> *where
22:29 <@Colin> LUG.org.uk
22:29 <@boudiccas> if its kevin, is he still willing to run it for us?
22:29 <@Colin> run it
22:29 <@Colin> Kevin admins our bit
22:30 <@boudiccas> Colin; can you take over the admin bit from him?
22:30 < cokehabit> i have another item for the agenda
22:30 < cokehabit> what about welsh people
22:30 <@Colin> I will speak to Kevin and ask what he want to hand over, or want more help with
22:31 < cokehabit> can we ban them from KLUG?
22:31 < cokehabit> :p
22:31 <@Colin> I think it's past someones bedtime
22:31 <@boudiccas> nowt wrong with the welsh boyo
22:31 <@Colin> and they are getting tired and silly :-)
22:31 < cokehabit> lol
22:31 < cokehabit> Colin: it was a joke
22:31 < danbuntu> nite nite MrEd
22:31 < MrEd> night
22:31 <@Colin> I know, so what my statement
22:31 < MrEd> :S 
22:31 < cokehabit> and actually you are right, i have an early start, money doesn't grow on trees
22:32 <@Colin> i have early start too. 7.30am and heading into a nasty week.
22:32 <@popey> \o/ no work
22:32 < cokehabit> right everyone, i look forward to reading the emails tomorrow
22:32 < cokehabit> nn
22:33 <@boudiccas> nn too
22:33 <@Colin> nn
22:33 < Guest3288> nn
22:33 < MrEd> nn
22:34 < PlasticFish> so...
22:34 < PlasticFish> you people.....like.....stuff....?
22:34 <@Colin> are we all going to bed, or still carrying on?
22:35 <@popey> heh
22:35 < danbuntu> well i'm off
22:35  * popey carrys on :)
22:35 <@Colin> my mum says i can stay up for 10 more minutes.
22:35 < danbuntu> i'm going to have a lot of pissed of poeple to deal with tommorrow
22:35 <@Colin> i have to brush my teeth and get into bed before 11pm
22:35 < MrEd> I'm special
22:35 <@Colin> special ed
22:36 < MrEd> :D
22:37 < danbuntu> well bye all


CONVERSATION DRIFTED OFF TOPIC AND MOST PEOPLE CALLED IT A NIGHT.