[Klug-general] Linux phones
Thomas D. Dalladay-Morgan
thomas at dalladay.com
Sat Jul 14 21:04:36 BST 2007
Same here - I use data side more than anything!
I use a MDA Vario II (really a HTC Hermes/TyTn) with T-Mobile (+
Web'n'Walk Plus)... Liking it so far, quite useful for data as it's a
fairly decent bandwidth usage for a phone (you can use it as a tethered
modem too, only if you don't upgrade to WM6 - They've removed DUN and
replaced it with 'Internet Sharing'... Can't use it on Linux anymore :()
That being said, I'm changing a bit... I'm moving onto a 'standard'
phone with bluetooth and using a Nokia 770 for internet access (has a
decent 4.1 screen, debian-based and opera (with flash) browser). Perfect
for my needs!
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 07:34 +0100, Colin McCarthy wrote:
> On 7/12/07, J D Freeman <dt at quixotic.org.uk> wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 04:06:35PM +0100, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > Yep nokia is your best bet. OpenMoko just isn't mature
> enough, and I
> > don't think it actually has opensync or syncml support yet.
> Hold on, is that you agreeing with me?
> > > Linux is a general purpose OS
> > > which works well on general purpose computers,
> > "
> > That's a logical fallacy if ever I saw one! Just because
> Linux is a
> > general purpose OS doesn't mean it should be used on general
> > computers.
> > In point of fact, general purpose OS generally means
> something which can
> > easily be transported across architectures.
> Yes, which means it can do many things to a varying degree,
> but not
> necessarily do any of them well. Compare contrast: Leatherman,
> lindstroom wire cutters.
> > > Whilst its not open source (boo his) Epoc is a
> > > far better OS for this sort of platform. That said I quite
> like VX works
> > > for embedded stuff, but thats mainly cos its very well
> tried and tested
> > > (hint the two nasa mars rovers run on it IIRC).
> > WRT VXworks and Epoc, Epoc isn't exactly alive is it, last
> release IIRC
> > was in 2003 running on the psion revo. Which was actually a
> > purpose computer built on a OS which was designed for low
> power embedded
> > applications, doesn't have a full API stack, you must
> re-invent the
> > wheel in order to get much custom stuff working on it. Do
> they even sell
> > licenses for Epoc32 anymore? As PSION are out of business
> and Symbian is
> > the evolved version of Epoc.
> Sorry, thats me being an old fart again, epoc is now called
> symbian. Its
> worth noting that Psion are still in business, just not
> selling to the
> As for the full API, that is both a feature and a bug.
> Depending on how
> you want to look at it.
> > VXworks is even worse, a friend of mine who works with both
> > Linux 2.6 for embedded and VXworks daily does nothing but
> complain about
> > how many missing kernel level and user space API's there
> are. For
> > instance you'll find that there is no such thing as libc on
> > they have a base library set, but it doesn't cut the
> mustard. VXworks is
> > crippleware essentially which means the developer needs to
> do a lot more
> > work in order to get something running.
> Again, feature or bug. If you are using VXworks on something,
> like say a
> robot or a highly embedded system, you probably don't want to
> be using a
> general libc the performance (bare in mind many things are
> going to be
> real time) doesnt cut it.
> Horses for courses.
> > Compare this with Linux running on embedded devices, Linux
> has an
> > enormous library of tools and apis which can be implemented
> by a
> > programmer on any platform thanks to GCC/glibc and the way
> the Linux
> > kernel is developed.
> Yes, an enormous library. Thats really useful on my embedded
> sytem with
> half a meg of ram.
> > With all that said, 80% of new photocopiers run Linux, 80%
> of network
> > printers run linux, 80% of soho routers run linux. Thats the
> 80/20 rule
> > for you, with a larger developer community, a larger API
> stack, many
> > embedded device stack elements etc... I think that its a
> better bet for
> > Linux to run on all hardware than VXworks or Epoc and I
> think you'll
> > find that 8 out of 10 developer cats agree.
> And how many desktop machines run windows? Just cos many
> people do it
> doesn't mean its the best way of doing it.
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> FYI I had to approve your last message as posted from your non KLUG
> approved email address.
> As for 'Cool Mobile Phone' and Linux, Kevin posted about his
> experience with Sony Ericsson phones back in April.
> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/kent/2007-April/002405.html SE
> phones are good and do that 'killler phone call application' well so
> might be a good option for you Dan.
> Personally I would go with a phone and carrier that does good data
> plans and has a good data phone, like a Windows Mobile device. But I
> like mobile data more than voice :-)
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