[Klug-general] Re: Kent Digest, Vol 125, Issue 2

Wed Jun 20 14:20:54 BST 2007

Many thanks for the advice Karl and Karl

And yes I am aware of the turdish nature of ATI cards but I didn't buy it -
so I'm going to spare myself from a thorough stabbing of my knee if you
don't mind ... well, at least for the time being

Will let you know how it goes

James

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>    1. OffTopic: M$ plays satanic music (David Halliday)
>    2. VGA Card TV out problems (James Mallery)
>    3. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Lattimer)
>    4. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Buckland)
>    5. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Peter Childs)
>    6. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Buckland)
>    7. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Lattimer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:43:34 +0100
> From: "David Halliday" <david.halliday at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Klug-general] OffTopic: M$ plays satanic music
> To: kent at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> Someone sent me this and I figured that members of the LUG would
> appreciate it also:
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> They say if you play a Microsoft CD backwards, you hear satanic
> messages. That's nothing, because if you play it forwards, it installs
> Windows.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:10:45 +0100
> From: "James Mallery" <jamesmallery at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: kent at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> Hi all,
>
> Having problems getting the TV out functionality working on both my and a
> friends Linux installations.  My friend Nathan Friend told me that he
> attended a KLUG meet where you had TV out running nicely on a few
> machines.
> I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200 - can only get part 3/4 of my desktop on
> screen
> whether I use the default Radeon driver that Sax2 uses or the latest
> official ATI driver, which I used to create a 'distribution specific'
> package using the kernel source.  My friends using a NVidia Geforce 4MX -
> with the drivers his PCLinuxOS distro
> installed the TV out was in black and white (his TV supports both PAL and
> NTSC) and when I installed the official driver the TV out came out as
> a complete grey mess on screen.
> We are both using s-video leads to connect.
> Is there any default/failsafe settings that can be put into xorg.conf that
> will help?  Could anybody, who has a similar card, e-mail me their
> xorg.conffiles so I can compare?
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Regards
>
> James
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> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:28:10 +0100
> From: Karl Lattimer <karl at qdh.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:10 +0100, James Mallery wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Having problems getting the TV out functionality working on both my
> > and a friends Linux installations.  My friend Nathan Friend told me
> > that he attended a KLUG meet where you had TV out running nicely on a
> > few machines.
> > I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200 - can only get part 3/4 of my desktop on
> > screen whether I use the default Radeon driver that Sax2 uses or the
> > latest official ATI driver, which I used to create a 'distribution
> > specific' package using the kernel source.
>
> ATI sucks, I don't know about TV-out on modern ATI cards, however I did
> do some work with http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ in order to get a 7000
> series radeon working with TVout, and it worked quite nicely (800x600
> only)
>
> If the hacks on that site are still valid, and you are using the open
> source ATI driver rather than the proprietary driver then please be
> aware, the hacks required to get that working are about 3 days work
> battling with all kinds of horrific patching and building.
>
> However I suspect that this is mostly a resolution problem, so the
> easiest fix would probably be to drop your resolution down to 800x600
> and see if that fixes it, then if it does...
>
> Stab yourself in the knee for buying an ATI card that can only do sync
> resolution of multi-monitors ;P
>
> > My friends using a NVidia Geforce 4MX - with the drivers his PCLinuxOS
> > distro installed the TV out was in black and white (his TV supports
> > both PAL and NTSC) and when I installed the official driver the TV out
> > came out as a complete grey mess on screen.  We are both using s-video
> > leads to connect.
>
> You aren't using a TV with S-Video input so only one of the channels in
> S-Video is being used. There are a few fixes for this, buy a TV with
> S-Video input or build a small circuit to do the Y/C to composite
> conversion, you can find out quite a bit about this on this post to
> planet.ubuntu.com yesterday
>
> http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=97
>
> Check the comments ;)
>
> > Is there any default/failsafe settings that can be put into xorg.conf
> > that will help?  Could anybody, who has a similar card, e-mail me
> > their xorg.conf files so I can compare?
>
> In the xorg.conf I have the following device section
>
> Section "Device"
>         Identifier  "Videocard0"
>         Driver      "nvidia"
>         VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
>         BoardName   "NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX (generic)"
>         Option      "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
>         Option      "TVStandard" "PAL"
> EndSection
>
> but that machine is running ONLY on a TV, read the nvidia manual as it
> has some handy points, you may find that something like ConnectedMonitor
> LCD,TV is a better solution at times.
>
> Of course, nvidia-settings can do all of this for you :)
>
> K,
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:33:30 +0100
> From: Karl Buckland <karl at digital-end.com>
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > ATI sucks
> Yup. I ended up buying a cheapy nVidia card just for TV-out on my MythTV
> box.
>
> I could get TV out working with ATI, but for some reason no videos would
> appear on the TV, only on my monitor. On the TV I'd just get a black box.
> > but that machine is running ONLY on a TV, read the nvidia manual as it
> > has some handy points, you may find that something like ConnectedMonitor
> > LCD,TV is a better solution at times.
> >
> > Of course, nvidia-settings can do all of this for you :)
> >
> I found that booting with my cheapy nVidia card I had TV out
> immediately, but only when only the TV was connected. When a monitor is
> connected also then nvidia-settings and some xorg.conf config comes to
> the rescue.
>
> Karl (the other one)
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:45:17 +0100
> From: "Peter Childs" <peterachilds at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: "Kent Linux User Group - General Topics" <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing special
> there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under Linux so does
> anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would be good.
>
> I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to a
> second screen.
>
> Are there any good presentation packages available for linux so that I can
> control it on one scan and view it on anther, PowerPoint Style. I know
> OpenOffice can handle Powerpoint files but I'm not sure this is the right
> too for the right job.
>
> Maybe this is worthy of being a subject for a meet?
>
> Peter.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:56:24 +0100
> From: Karl Buckland <karl at digital-end.com>
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> Peter Childs wrote:
> >
> > I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing
> > special there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under
> > Linux so does anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would
> > be good.
> >
> > I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to
> > a second screen.
> >
> With an nVidia card this is trivially easy using nvidia-settings. In
> Ubuntu once you've installed the 'restricted' driver, it'll even happily
> do desktop effects with multiple monitors too.
>
> Karl Buckland
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:11:01 +0100
> From: Karl Lattimer <karl at qdh.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:56 +0100, Karl Buckland wrote:
> > Peter Childs wrote:
> > >
> > > I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing
> > > special there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under
> > > Linux so does anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would
> > > be good.
> > >
> > > I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to
> > > a second screen.
> > >
> > With an nVidia card this is trivially easy using nvidia-settings. In
> > Ubuntu once you've installed the 'restricted' driver, it'll even happily
> > do desktop effects with multiple monitors too.
>
> Nicely put ;)
>
> The biggest issue I see here is that open office impress doesn't appear
> to support multi-monitors in any meaningful way. You can set the
> presentation to appear on one or other monitor or both but I can't see
> how you show the notes for the active slide on the other monitor.
>
> I'd say this is a missing feature and really really should be filed as a
> bug against open office as its a fairly big oversight on their part.
>
> This is one of the reasons I always use Apple Keynote, well that and the
> fact that the effects are downright kick arse!
>
> K,
>
>
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