[Klug-general] OOo ver 3 incompatibility

Mike Rentell michael.rentell at ntlworld.com
Tue Dec 16 14:59:08 UTC 2008

Mike Evans wrote:
> Mike Rentell wrote:
>  > That sounds like a kind invitation from MikeE, but I don't undestand
>  > most of it.
> yum, or YUM is Yellowdog Update Manager I seem to remember.  For this to 
> make any sense you have to know that Yellow Dog was a distribution of 
> Linux which did some innovative things and then floundered only to be 
> resuscitated as a distro for the X-box or some other game console thingy 
> I wouldn't be interested in.
> Anyway, one of the good things that came out of it was a package manager 
> called yum.  Putting Gentoo to one side (which most people do eventually 
> :)  - It has its own software installation manager designed to work with 
> source code) that pretty much splits the world into two:  the yummers 
> and the apt-getters.
> Debian packages come in .deb files, are managed by the apt-* suite of 
> programs at the higher level and dpkg program at the low level.  Redhat 
> Package Manager packages come in .rpm files, are managed by yum at the 
> higher level and the rpm program at the low level.
> Traditionally Debian (and by extension Ubuntu) people think that there 
> is nothing better than apt-get.  This was true when rpm based distros 
> only had the rpm program, but with yum they have something equally handy 
> and somewhat more intelligible in terms of command structure IMHO.  This 
> is all fairly irrelevant if you don't like command line utilities 
> because there are now various GUI tools (synaptics/pirut) which sit over 
> either system and make the whole thing a point and click doddle provided 
> you don't want to do anything remotely interesting.
> Dan Attwood wrote:
>> I think the page you need to read in Linux Format is the one that 
>> mentions dodgy nvidia drivers in Mandriva! Not got the mag in fornt of 
>> me but i can give you the number tonight.
> All this to one side - I've just seen Dan's later post on dodgy nvidia 
> drivers with Mandriva and suspect that he may be onto something there. 
> I've not bought Linux Format in a few months.
> Mauriat Miranda has a helpful page on getting and installing nvidia 
> drivers using yum and or using the nvidia installer.  It is written for 
> Fedora people so it uses the RPMFusion repository which would not be 
> suitable for you.  However but the part on using the nvidia installer 
> should be applicable to Manriva.  Alternatively there may a suitable yum 
> repository for Mandriva. see 
> http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-nvidia.html
> I am successfully using the nvidia driver, installed from the 
> RPMFususion repository using YUM on both Fedora 8 and Fedora 10.  I 
> chose this as I wanted more than the 2D support from the 'nv' driver and 
> was uncomfortable using the 'nouveau' driver in its present experimental 
> state for my main machine.  On F8 I run OOo2 on 10 I have OOo3.
> MikeE
That's all very informative, my apologies for the delay. Many thanks. 
I've gone back to OOo 2.2.1 under Mandriva 2008.1 after a brief cycle 
through some other distros to see how I get on. Does Mandriva use YUM? 
It just seems to have its own getter and installer - perhaps it is YUM 
with it's badge torn off.

I'm not sure why the latest version of OOo should cause a failure which 
throws up the KDE error screen and forever afterwards the top and bottom 
bars of every window are missing - everything else seems to work though. 
Odd that. It all resets after a logout/login but it don't help.

I assume it is a graphics error - could be wrong. My graphics card has 
the nvidia chipset and clocks in as 'G72 [GeForce 7300SE]'.  Mandriva's 
installation routine does not recognise that but says that it has a 
special driver available and offers that for installation. That turns 
out to be the driver for GeForce 8800. Do you think that could be the 

I do, of course, have the installation disk for the graphics card and 
that has a linux sub-directory on it with 32bit and 64bit drivers. I've 
tried to run those but it throws up a konsole screen about motherboard 
and network cards. Nothing about graphics as far as I can see and anyway 
it won't install.

Baffled!  So I suppose I'll stay with Mandriva 2008.1 until Mandriva 
2009.1 comes out (currently available version is 2009.0) and OOo 2.2.1.

Pity though, the windoze version loads a lot more quickly and is 
flashier than the earlier version.

I suppose this is progress.

Actually I might not install Mandriva 2009 because I really am not 
impressed with KDE4. I lose a lot of useful functionality.


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