[Klug-general] Debian question

[Karl Lattimer]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 08:00:10 +0100, George <cokehabit at gmail.com> wrote:
> MacGyveR wrote:
>> On Thursday 22 May 2008, Andy Smith wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 08:18:10AM -0400, Karl Lattimer wrote:
>>>> basically, debian will have to change their name, and commercialise
>>>> drastically in order to save the project.
>>> What do you see as the consequences within one year if they do not?
>>>
>>> Also, what exactly you mean by "commercialise"?  It may not even be
>>> possible within the constraints of the social contract.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>
>> nah, everything will be fine. a bit like caldera linux
>>
>> another question, would ubuntu still exist if debian went down?
>>
> God yeah, I can't see anything stopping the behemoth that Ubuntu has
> come...  A better question would be whether Debian would have such an
> important place in the linux market if Ubuntu based itself on something
> else or created it's own base because I could see lots of debian based
> distros like mepis and knoppix changing over to be "ubuntu based" instead
> 

I can see ubuntu detaching from debian now. Its long understood that debian
'advocacy' (aka zealotry) has been its major downfall in the past. Ubuntu
changed the space by minimizing zealotry and creating an up to date
platform, the only problem with ubuntu in the market is the "we have this"
... NIH technology marketing. 

I doubt that ubuntu and debian will remain good friends in the future.
Ubuntu just needed a reason not to trust their source.

for the record, two distros that I think are far superior to debian/ubuntu,


OpenSolaris, which is kick ass and Ian Murdoch now he's no longer a member
of the community he described as being too politically motivated has
created something truly fantastic.
Foresight, for crying out loud I can can downgrade my packages, patch my
packages with a minimal download size! Debian "is fundamentally
incompatible" with package kit, apparently.

flame me if you want but everyone I know refers to debian advocates as
nuts... Its funny, they never back down, never admit they're wrong and will
defend the distro to the death. Sounds like apple fan boi's to me :P

k,