[Klug-general] KLUG OS

[Stuart Brand]

OK, you are right again, new distros should only be created by those  
who have established ones already, there is no room for innovation on  
this list and in future I will keep quite about such controversial   
subjects

Stuart


On 29 Apr 2009, at 19:20, AllenJB wrote:

> Stuart Brand wrote:
>> Hi AllenJB
>>
>> You are so right, why bother trying to understand how something is  
>> made, just use a prebuilt version that has a strong following and  
>> where any problems have already been solved, no need to know how it  
>> works, just know that it does and use it.
>
> While one or two of us might be able to achieve this, for most of the
> group I believe it's going to be (using a probably inappropriate
> analogy...) like trying to build an engine by starting with only a
> blacksmiths workshop when you don't even know where the fuel goes or  
> how
> to read blueprints.
>
> I believe that there are far better ways to go about learning the ins
> and outs of Linux - namely through LFS and Gentoo. These give you a
> starting point, and a very firm one at that - they are both well
> supported and well documented. Gentoo in particular allows you to  
> start
> at a level you're happy with, even if that level is a very high
> overview, and then work away on the more detailed aspects and focus
> where you choose.
>
> You still get to understand how something is made - but you get  
> support
> and documentation while doing it.
>
> It's also wrong to say that "any problems have been solved". Find me  
> ANY
> open source projects with a public bug tracker that has no open bugs  
> on
> it! Not only can you get a better understanding of how projects work  
> by
> picking up open issues and working on them, but your work can  
> benefit a
> large number of people, rather than only a small number.
>
> It doesn't have to be just coding either - I frequently work on Gentoo
> Wiki to improve existing articles or write new ones. Documentation is
> often seen as one of the more boring parts of any project, but through
> writing it you can discover a lot of things you didn't know.
>
> Yes, common problems will have already been solved, but with the
> thousands of linux distros already out there, do you think any of the
> problems you're likely to encounter trying to create your own haven't
> been solved either?
>
>>
>> Sounds like a Microsoft theosophy to me?
>
> This isn't any Microsoft philosophy.
>
> This is the proper open source philosophy:
> - Don't reinvent the wheel
> - Give back to the projects you use
> - The size or quantity of your contributions is not important
> - Stand on the shoulders of those who came before you
>
> AllenJB
>
>>
>> Thanks for the support
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 05:42PM, "AllenJB" <allen at allenjb.me.uk 
>> > wrote:
>>> Stuart Brand wrote:
>>>> A website would be good, for the tutorials
>>>>
>>>> the user would still need to download a distro regardless, may as  
>>>> well be ours so we have a reference point for the tutorials and  
>>>> help
>>> While in theory this may give *us* (the LUG) a good reference point,
>>> assuming the entire LUG decides to learn this new distro (I know I  
>>> won't
>>> - I'm too busy working with and for my current distro and preferred
>>> applications - and that's just my limited free time), it's going  
>>> to be
>>> absolutely terrible for anyone else to support.
>>>
>>> Why not use an existing popular distro for which there is already a
>>> large amount of good documentation, such as Gentoo or Ubuntu? This  
>>> way,
>>> not only is there almost certainly going to be someone in the LUG  
>>> who
>>> can help with support, there will definitely be documentation and
>>> support from outside the LUG too.
>>>
>>> AllenJB
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 03:21PM, "Karl Buckland" <karl at digital-end.com 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> 2009/4/29 Stuart Brand <stuart_mac_admin at me.com>:
>>>>>> How about a "Welcome to Linux" distro, a basic live cd that has  
>>>>>> firefox and a terminal that we can write tutorials for? stuff  
>>>>>> like that
>>>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't a website be more appropriate for that? Then the user  
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> have to download anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>
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