[Klug-general] Linux Sound Programming

[Karl Lattimer]

> > You're basically saying "it's OK to criticise even though I'm not
> > qualified to do so". My search on ohloh was to point that out so nobody
> > else on this list thinks you are actually qualified to criticise a
> > developer of Lennart's stature. There is no "ego search" involved here,
> > quite the contrary, I was showing how you have no right to be so
> > egotistical as to criticise someone far far more qualified in his work
> > than you are.
> 
> I'm not criticising him; I have never even heard of him, never will and 
> couldn't care less about him. You seem to have taken offense at a 
> flippant remark because you have happened to reply to an email by him on 
> a list.

Actually Lennart is a good friend who has taken a LOT of shit from ill
informed people bashing pulseaudio.

> >> The problem is that no-one can decide anything - sound or otherwise.
> >> Everything just gets drowned by bickering whether foo should be in
> >> kernelspace or userspace and then some people suggest something radical
> >> and they get shot down (probably much in the same way that i'm doing
> >> here) and never come back.
> >
> > There is no bickering, there is kernel space ALSA, and Pulse because non
> > of that stuff should be in kernel space... This isn't an argument it was
> > a discussion before the pulseaudio project was started. That's right a
> > nice mature grown up discussion with kernel devs and app devs.
> >
> > You weren't in the loop on the discussions so you cannot judge the
> > actions of those involved... Read the mailing lists, you'll see how it
> > came together.
> 
> How it came together doesn't matter in the slightest, what matters is 
> results. Anyway, I was talking generally.

You think that "generally" people bicker about critical issues like
this? Then you're an idiot, just because people on mailing lists like
this can't actually coalesce into a common goal doesn't mean it's like
that everywhere. 

> >> It's a mess out there and until people stop thinking that everything is
> >> just fine then nothing will ever happen. Pulseaudio could be the
> >> greatest thing on the face of the planet, we could all bow down, worship
> >> it and Tom Cruise could jump up and down on a sofa about it but until it
> >> becomes synonymous with sound on linux then most people will never know.
> >
> > I think it's already synonymous with sound on linux if you're well
> > informed enough to realise that. It isn't a mess out there, it's pretty
> > sane, but muddying the waters with FUD as you're doing is detrimental to
> > everyone.
> >
> Yeah, it's synonymous with sound if you first picked up an 
> Ubuntu-derived cd 6 months ago. I hope it lives up to its promises, I 
> really do. It will be the first thing in linux that has since udev

Hmm, you miss the point here, developers are informed about it, users
don't care, users shouldn't need to care, developers should. If you're
not a developer then simply put your opinion doesn't really matter that
much.

K,