[Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1

[Michael Sinclair]

I actually had that exact same model -ML-2165, and I did download their 
driver and it worked, however it was a headache to install.  If you are 
having difficulty let me know, I'm sure I had some notes somewhere on 
what I did.

Mike

On 24/09/14 06:49, Thomas Edward Groves wrote:
> Ok I'll have another try at getting their driver and installing it.
>
> My point about forcing honest answers is that, if you look at the marginal
> cost,
> then there's no real objection to adding a Linux driver to the CDROM
> that they ship anyway. So why don't they (and Samsung doesn't for the
> ML-2165)?
>
> I know I sound paranoic but, for some reason, whenever I try to do
> something which everybody else finds easy I fail.
>
> Thanks for the replies, I will try again.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Sinclair <msinclair at mody.me.uk>
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1
>
>
>> Yes, I've tried the Samsungs Unified driver, worked with one of the mono
>> laser printers fine but another scanner/laser printer did not have full
>> functionality of the scanner (only used about 50 sheet, will be selling
>> shortly ... anyone interested?)... Then the Samsung driver started
>> crashing my whole system (Linux Mint / Mate).  I had difficulty cleaning
>> up the mess and getting rid of the driver.  No support given by the
>> Samsung guys, so now I am using Epson and they also have their drivers
>> for Linux now, works much better at the moment.  Nice cheap printer
>> scanners, XP series, I've had a whole lot that I had tested.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 23/09/14 10:17, Brian Reay wrote:
>>> Well, we live in a free world plus, in the scheme of things, we Linux
>>> people are very much a minority. As a believer in freedom, I'm not
>>> sure I believe in 'forcing' companies to release information for
>>> purely commercial reasons. Safety etc. is, of course, another matter.
>>>
>>> As it happens, BTW, Samsung are one of the good guys. They have a
>>> "Unified Driver", which does the business for my Laser printer, inc.
>>> CUPS support, and works with my Airprint modifications, which allow me
>>> to access my system printers from my IOS devices.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So why can't someone who can *force* answers ask the printer
>>>> manufacturers
>>>> (Samsung, are you listening?) to explain *honestly* why they don't
>>>> ship CUPS compatible drivers with their products?
>>>>
>>>> This whole driver problem is purely down to the makers of peripherals
>>>> and their bleat of "Linux is a niche market" is just evasion.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to see one of those Competition Commissioners in Brussels
>>>> start banging heads together.
>>>> Why aren't they?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about the tone but there are too many people with lots of power
>>>> who simply won't use it for some reason.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Brian Reay <brian.reay at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, don't forget things like printers, video cards, etc. Not all have
>>>>> drivers which are 'nice' to install for Linux (a point Linus T
>>>>> acknowledges). People like us recognise that isn't really a true Linux
>>>>> issue, it is the vendors who don't supply the information or develop
>>>>> drivers, or we can find drivers and install them via the command line
>>>>> etc. However, your average Windows/MacOS user expects them to either
> to
>>>>> just 'be there', come with the printer, or be available from the
> makers
>>>>> website. Suggest he/she needs to open a terminal, type (to him/her) a
>>>>> load of 'black magic nonsense' and chances are they will reach for the
>>>>> Windows 8 CD (Yuk).
>>>>>
>>>>> We like the 'black magic' but, most users don't. They just want a
>>>>> machine to do a 'job', they don't 'get off' on the 'black magic' (so
> to
>>>>> speak), they are odd. ;-) Worst of all, many are beyond hope odd, they
>>>>> think Windows 8 is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/09/14 15:24, Gavin Coles wrote:
>>>>>> The way to get people in to Linux is a long term issue, the best
>>>>>> way for
>>>>>> my own experience to start with software that has cross platform
>>>>>> availability.  So Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and like.  Once
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can show that everything they need for their day to day use is
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> on another platform they they are more willing to try dropping
>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/09/14 15:15, kent-request at mailman.lug.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> Don't forget the issue of the average user (employee). They will
>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>> certainly use Windows Applications at home, or have come from
>>>>>>> employers
>>>>>>> which use them, or educational establishments which taught them.
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