Yo Chris mentioned going to a Python meeting:- They have a tech meeting on a Saturday morning which might be a hoot some time. Here is the link http://www.pywm.eu/Meetings/ I would not be able to make the next one but perhaps I could do September. -- Cheers Phil Ironside 01684-561495 http://creativespaces.co.uk http://malvern.lug.org.uk http://birmingham.pm.org