[Nottingham] Re: Local System Builders

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Tue Feb 25 12:48:01 2003


Have you got the address of Web systems, (or alternatively a URL for their web site).

Malcolm
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>    1. RE: Local Systems Builders (Paul Milazzo Ryder Technology Solutions)
>    2. Re: Meeting rooms (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mike=20Martin?=)
>    3. Idea for funds (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mike=20Martin?=)
>    4. RE: Meeting rooms (Alex Herington)
>    5. Re: Local Systems Builders (Duncan John Fyfe)
>    6. Re: Idea for funds (Duncan John Fyfe)
>    7. Re: Idea for funds (Philip Scott)
>    8. Re: Idea for funds (Godfrey Nix)
>    9. Re: Idea for funds (Joe Wrigley)
>   10. Bad signature (Simon Huggins)
>   11. Re: Idea for funds (Duncan John Fyfe)
>   12. Re: Bad signature (Paul Sladen)
>   13. Re: Bad signature (Simon Huggins)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Paul Milazzo Ryder Technology Solutions" <paul@rydertech.co.uk>
> To: <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: RE: [Nottingham] Local Systems Builders
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:35:37 -0000
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> I've got a trade account with Web Systems (they dont like people knowing
> they do trade accounts tho ;o) - but even their retail prices beat the
> majority of trade suppliers i deal with
> I would recommend them on price.
> Cheers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Duncan John
> Fyfe
> Sent: 24 February 2003 17:12
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Local Systems Builders
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Philip Scott wrote:
> 
> > Heya,
> >
> > > Anyone know of any local system builder's who likely to be willing to
> sell
> > > small numbers of bits that you can normally obtain only in volume?
> >
> > You might try 'A and D Computers' on woodborough road, just past where
> > porchester road joins it. There's also 'Web Systems' which is down beeston
> > way - I could dig out the address if you need it :)
> >
> > Regards,
> > 	Philip
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> Maybe a kind volunteer could collect and collate a list of
> local system builders/ component suppliers we could put on the web site.
> 
> I guess we would need something like:
> 	Name
> 	Address
> 	Tel/Fax
> 	Business Email
> 	w-page
> 	Recommendation
> 
> where Recommendation is something like:
> 	1 = avoid like the plague
> 	2 =
> 	3 =
> 	4 =
> 	5 = really helpfull people, happy to put business there way.
> 
> Have fun,
> Duncan
> 
> --
> Duncan John Fyfe          X-ray Astronomy Group,
>                           Dept. of Physics & Astronomy,
> Phone +44 116 252 3635    University of Leicester,
> E-mail djf@star.le.ac.uk  University Road,
>                           Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:46:19 +0000 (GMT)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mike=20Martin?= <redtuxxx@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Meeting rooms
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
>  --- Robert Davies <rob_davies@ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Friday 21
> February 2003 17:25, you wrote:
> > > Howdy everyone,
> > >
> > > I work at a business centre on Stoney Street in the city centre,
> > and as a
> > > perk I can secure any of our conference rooms for NLUG meetings
> > :D Would
> > > this be useful? I manage the IT here, so we'll be able to have a
> > dedicated
> > > 4mbit/s symmetric pipe on hand 0:) Our biggest room seats 18ish
> > people, and
> > > I might be able to borrow an Epson LCD projector.
> > >
> > > Anyway, let me know what you think.
> > 
> > Seems like a damn useful offer to me :)
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
> 
> the words SNATCH HANDS and OFF come to mind
> 
> yummee
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:50:27 +0000 (GMT)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mike=20Martin?= <redtuxxx@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: notlug <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> What do people think of the idea of setting up formal banking
> arrangements for the LUG?
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> From: "Alex Herington" <alex@fnet.nu>
> To: <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: RE: [Nottingham] Meeting rooms
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:24:07 -0000
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> | > > Howdy everyone,
> | > >
> | > > I work at a business centre on Stoney Street in the city centre,
> | > and as a
> | > > perk I can secure any of our conference rooms for NLUG meetings
> | > :D Would
> | > > this be useful? I manage the IT here, so we'll be able to have a
> | > dedicated
> | > > 4mbit/s symmetric pipe on hand 0:) Our biggest room seats 18ish
> | > people, and
> | > > I might be able to borrow an Epson LCD projector.
> | > >
> | > > Anyway, let me know what you think.
> | >
> | > Seems like a damn useful offer to me :)
> | >
> | > Rob
> | >
> |
> | the words SNATCH HANDS and OFF come to mind
> |
> | yummee
> 
> Well if anyone has any ideas or needs it for NLUG use gimme a shout a few
> days before it's needed so I can book it. It's down the street from an NCP
> car park and close to the market square (and next to a few bars *ahem* :P).
> 
> Later chiefs,
> Alex.
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:31:02 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Duncan John Fyfe <djf@star.le.ac.uk>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Local Systems Builders
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Martin wrote:
> 
> > Duncan John Fyfe wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe a kind volunteer could collect and collate a list of
> > > local system builders/ component suppliers we could put on the web site.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Also include 'sponsorship' badges/logos...?
> > (To pay for meeting venues and free drinks?)
> >
> > Martin
> 
> You got it.
> Maybe a featured supplier spot.
> 
> But that is getting ahead of ourselves.  First we need to put some
> business their way (ie. people mentioning they heared of them from our web site)
> to make them think we are worth while.
> 
> Have fun,
> Duncan
> 
> -- 
> Duncan John Fyfe          X-ray Astronomy Group,
>                           Dept. of Physics & Astronomy,
> Phone +44 116 252 3635    University of Leicester,
> E-mail djf@star.le.ac.uk  University Road,
>                           Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:51:11 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Duncan John Fyfe <djf@star.le.ac.uk>
> To: notlug <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, [iso-8859-1] Mike Martin wrote:
> 
> > What do people think of the idea of setting up formal banking
> > arrangements for the LUG?
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> 
> In doing all ther organizing this is something I've kind of put off
> because I've not had a chance to investigate what it takes for
> a bank to accept you as a society/club or whatever.
> I suspect it will take a written "goals and objectives/constitution" of the group
> and possibly a membership list (something we don't have).
> 
> With moving to asking form contributions for events and hoping to
> get sponsorship this is a definite requirement.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience of setting up society/group bank accounts etc ?
> 
> As for money from events, I'm kind of in favour of the voluntary contribution
> scheme we seem to be falling into.  In my view it seems to be the best way of keeping the LUG activities open like the mailing list.
> 
> Have fun,
> Duncan
> 
> -- 
> Duncan John Fyfe          X-ray Astronomy Group,
>                           Dept. of Physics & Astronomy,
> Phone +44 116 252 3635    University of Leicester,
> E-mail djf@star.le.ac.uk  University Road,
>                           Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> From: Philip Scott <scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:24:31 +0000
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> > Does anyone have any experience of setting up society/group bank accounts
> > etc ?
> 
> I've been secretary of Nottingham Microcomputer Club for a while now, so I can 
> take minutes :)
> 
> > As for money from events, I'm kind of in favour of the voluntary
> > contribution scheme we seem to be falling into.  In my view it seems to be
> > the best way of keeping the LUG activities open like the mailing list.
> 
> Yes, I think this is a good idea - although, perhaps some kind of 
> formalisation as to what happens to this money, open accounts and so on would 
> be a good idea. I'd be happy to do this, if no one has any objections - 
> unless there's anyone else who'd like the job?
> 
> Regards,
> 	Philip
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> From: Godfrey Nix <godfrey@gnnix.co.uk>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk, Mike Martin <redtuxxx@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 05:56:33 +0000
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> Hi,
> 
> To open an account, any entity needs not only an identity, but proof of it. 
> For a real person that comes in the shape of birth certificate and such.
> In the case of a group, it requires 'articles of association'  and elected 
> officers, which in turn requires formal membership.
> 
> I am not sure yet that we are ready for that move. 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Godfrey Nix
> 
> On Monday 24 February 2003  7:50 pm, Mike Martin wrote:
> > What do people think of the idea of setting up formal banking
> > arrangements for the LUG?
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
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> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:26:20 +0000
> From: Joe Wrigley <joe@wrigley.me.uk>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
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> |>What do people think of the idea of setting up formal banking
> |>arrangements for the LUG?
> 
> 
> |>
> |>In doing all ther organizing this is something I've kind of put off
> |>because I've not had a chance to investigate what it takes for
> |>a bank to accept you as a society/club or whatever.
> |>I suspect it will take a written "goals and objectives/constitution" 
> of the group
> |>and possibly a membership list (something we don't have).
> |>
> |>With moving to asking form contributions for events and hoping to
> |>get sponsorship this is a definite requirement.
> |>
> |>Does anyone have any experience of setting up society/group bank 
> accounts etc ?
> |>
> |>As for money from events, I'm kind of in favour of the voluntary 
> contribution
> |>scheme we seem to be falling into.  In my view it seems to be the best 
> way of keeping the LUG activities open like the mailing list.
> |>
> |>Have fun,
> |>Duncan
> 
> In my house in Nottingham, we set up a joint account with Natwest for 
> bills. They recommended that we open a "charities and organisations" 
> account. Or something like that, can't remember the exact name. Anyway, 
> there wasn't any requirement for a members' charter that I can recall, 
> and we were even allowed to call the account S.P.E.C.T.R.E. :)
> 
> Don't know if this will help at all,
> 
> Joe
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:57:49 +0000
> From: Simon Huggins <huggie@earth.li>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Cc: joe@wrigley.me.uk
> Organization: Black Cat Networks, http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/
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> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
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> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:26:20AM +0000, Joe Wrigley wrote:
> [snip]
> > Don't know if this will help at all,
> 
> You signed this message but it failed my verification with gpg.  Did you
> change it before you sent it out?  Did the list munge it?
> 
> Did anyone successfully verify it?
> 
> 
> Simon.
> 
> --=20
> oOoOo         "I'm gonna eat you, little fishy!" - The Cat         oOoOo
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:14:37 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Duncan John Fyfe <djf@star.le.ac.uk>
> To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Idea for funds
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Godfrey Nix wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > To open an account, any entity needs not only an identity, but proof of i=
> t.
> > For a real person that comes in the shape of birth certificate and such.
> > In the case of a group, it requires 'articles of association'  and electe=
> d
>                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> =09=09=09=09 that's the phrase I was scrabbling for.
> 
> > officers, which in turn requires formal membership.
> >
> > I am not sure yet that we are ready for that move.
> >
> 
> I'm not sure we are ready either but I also feel this could turn out to be =
> a chicken and egg situation.
> 
> We need the money to make the next step <=3D> We need the bank account to g=
> et the money.
> 
> I don't think it would be difficult to put together a draft 'articles of as=
> sociation' but defining a constitution (what constitutes membership, how ar=
> e the executive (secretary, treasurer etc) appointed) will probably involve=
>  some heated discussions.  I'll put together a draft as a starting point (w=
> ell, I'll hack one I was involved in writing many years ago).
> 
> AFAIK Joe Wrigley's suggestion of a joint account doesn't work.  I've done =
> the joint account thing in flats before and the money in it belongs to the =
> account holders.  What we are after is a place for money which was taken on=
>  behalf of the lug (however that is defined).
> 
> To add food for thought...
> =09A room for a formal meeting costs between 0 and 25 GBP.
> =09Social meetings cost to the LUG is 0.
> =09Last meeting we raised ~ 22 (=A31 each) of which 12.50 went on the room =
> leaving us with ~9.50 GBP - I'll give an exact figure when I take it out th=
> e bag and count it.  I'm going to go and spend some of it on a ledger to ke=
> ep the accounts in.
> 
> Based on a statistic of 1, we will hopefully receive donations in excess of=
>  what we need to run the formal events.  What would people like to see any =
> excess spent on ?
> 
> Ideas are:
> =09A larger venue to run a linux install day later in the year.
> =09Equipment (eg. LCD projector - a long term plan I know)
> =09Fund a Tux beer ;)
> =09Pay speakers to visit us (eg. travel costs)
> =09Subsidise a bus to LinuxExpo or UKUUG meeting ?
> =09Build an ultra-orbital laser (with furry dice) and take over the world ?
> 
> 
> <
> 
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Godfrey Nix
> >
> > On Monday 24 February 2003  7:50 pm, Mike Martin wrote:
> > > What do people think of the idea of setting up formal banking
> > > arrangements for the LUG?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
> > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Nottingham mailing list
> > > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Nottingham mailing list
> > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham
> >
> 
> Have fun,
> Duncan
> 
> --=20
> Duncan John Fyfe          X-ray Astronomy Group,
>                           Dept. of Physics & Astronomy,
> Phone +44 116 252 3635    University of Leicester,
> E-mail djf@star.le.ac.uk  University Road,
>                           Leicester, LE1 7RH, U.K.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:41:43 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Paul Sladen <notlug@paul.sladen.org>
> To: Nottingham LUG <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Cc: joe@wrigley.me.uk
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Bad signature
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Simon Huggins wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:26:20AM +0000, Joe Wrigley wrote:
> > > Don't know if this will help at all,
> > Did anyone successfully verify it?
> 
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> 
> Upload yer key Joe!
> 
> 	-Paul
> -- 
> No War.    Nottingham, GB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:44:34 +0000
> From: Simon Huggins <huggie@earth.li>
> To: Nottingham LUG <nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Bad signature
> Organization: Black Cat Networks, http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/
> Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk
> 
> Salut Nottingham!
> 
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 11:41:43AM +0000, Paul Sladen wrote:
> > On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Simon Huggins wrote:
> > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:26:20AM +0000, Joe Wrigley wrote:
> > > > Don't know if this will help at all,
> > > Did anyone successfully verify it?
> > gpg: Signature made Tue Feb 25 10:26:19 2003 GMT using DSA key ID  AEA5CB1D
> > gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
> 
> He has.  It's on the pgp.net ones at least.
> Or at least wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net.
> 
> Simon.
> 
> -- 
> [ "Just wait. My crystal ball is infallible." -- Linus                 ]
> 
> 
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