[Nottingham] Someone doesn't like systemd

[Martin]

ps:

There is the very well written:

Broken by design: systemd
http://ewontfix.com/14/

... and that includes positively how systemd /could/ be quickly made
much better, all by design.


There is also the Debian debate summary:

https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd

That opens with the statement: "Systemd is becoming the de facto
standard"...


REALLY?!

We have no choice?

Or is the "Systemd is becoming the de facto standard" statement a
marketing attempt at a self-fulfilling push?


FLOSS and GNU/Linux are what we make IT for ourselves...
Martin



On 21/08/14 12:13, Martin wrote:
> On 13/08/14 18:40, Jason Irwin wrote:
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459
>>
>> Reddit comments:
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2dfig1/open_letter_to_the_linux_world/
>>
>> As for myself...I like some of the ideas that systemd is trying to bring
>> in, but some things give me the shivers (binary logs? Really?) and the
>> inherent complexity of the system that is trying to *start* the damned PC.
>>
>> Maybe some of that is my own ignorance and fear of change, dunno. But if
>> what the poster says is true, then the ability to tweak and warp a
>> GNU/Linux distro /just so/ for some application looks like it will be
>> seriously stunted.
>>
>> Thoughts?
> 
> Good thread on this list thanks and fair comment from Andy. Thanks for
> the Andy summary!
> 
> 
> There's a very succinct blast on the LinuxVoice forums:
> 
> http://forums.linuxvoice.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=74
> 
> 
> The killer for me that undoes all the goodness is the disaster waiting
> to happen of vast rapidly changing code all running as PID 1. Even
> stranger is for *why do that* when completely unnecessary?!
> 
> And if there is some fundamental need or missing feature that absolutely
> must have PID 1, then why not improve the kernel to fulfil that whatever
> assumed deficiency?
> 
> Or are there other non-technical non-FLOSS motivations?...
> 
> Or is there just crass over-hasty blindly compromising rush?...
> 
> 
> Did not a certain commercial and very proprietary single-user styled
> system force that type of thing upon a lot of the world with ongoing
> very painfully unreliable results that has blackened the name of IT
> forever?... People now /expect/ computers to crash...
> 
> The modular and secure Unix philosophy has worked very well for Linux
> systems thus far. Why abandon that now?...
> 
> Assimilate?...
> 
> 
> Something like systemd is needed. However, who else is there to be able
> to race beyond Red Hat?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Martin
> 
> Here using OpenRC 'init' on Gentoo



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