[Nottingham] Warning: non-Linux post
Fluf Lagomorph
fluf at freeshell.org
Wed Sep 7 21:38:51 UTC 2016
Sorry, I should have been clearer-- what I meant was that was good enough
for the proof of relationship part. A few photos (not 50), a few (paper)
letters, flight stubs, a handful of e-mail print outs, and I did
submit phone bills too, though, now that you mention it. I don't think
they'd have known what to do with IM logs yet then, anyway, TBH. That and
it was a same day process-- submit in the morning, and pick up the visa in
the afternoon if your request was sucessful, so there was a finite limit
to how much they could read in that time.
The finiancial requirements were phenominally less stringent coming as a
fiancee to the UK, rather than him going as one to the US, which I'd be
willing to wager is still the case now. I believe he had a letter from
his employer, a few bank statments, a letter verifying we had a house to
live in, and yes, a notorised copy of every page of his passport. No
bills other than the phone ones to my memory, though. Children's birth
certs and divorce certs weren't relevant to us, but they may well have
also been a requirement back then, too.
All of the evidence had to go with me to the closest British consulate,
where I paid something on the order of $400 for the fiance visa. I then
had to apply for ILR after our marriage (and another similar fee, I think)
and citizenship became an option 3 years later. I've no doubt the fees
will have all gone up (plus there's now the laughable "Life in Britian"
test)
On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Denny via Nottingham wrote:
> Well clearly that's what you get for not inviting them to the wedding.
>
> It seems a little steep but adjusting for inflation the cost isn't that
> far out of what I'd expect. The documentation requirements on the other
> hand seem a bit OTT. That's more than I was (relatively) recently asked
> for for my SC clearance.
>
> It appears that the Home Office learnt a lesson when they allowed me to
> immigrate and they are determined not to let that happen again. :)
>
>
> On 07/09/16 17:58, Daryl via Nottingham wrote:
>>
>> The rules have been repeatedly tightened up. The financial and proof
>> of relationship requirements are very stringent now. The Conservatives
>> are to blame for a lot of this.
>>
>> I have to supply 12 months bank statements and payslips. In addition
>> to many bills, mortgage statement, council tax bill, children's birth
>> certificates, my divorce papers. In addition a letter from my
>> employer. I have paid £105 for a housing report despite my owned home
>> being a new 4 build that ONLY I live in full time.
>>
>> On top of that is flight tickets, a relationship timeline and around
>> 50 photos of us. Oh, and greeting cards, telephone and IM logs.
>> Yes...and proof of wedding including photos and bills.
>>
>> A copy of my passport and a couple of things I am sure I have forgotten.
>>
>> The whole thing is costing me £2500 which lasts 2.5 years and then I
>> need to pay another £1800 to renew for another 2.5 years until she can
>> apply to stay permanently.
>>
>> Who would have thought this was my right as a British citizen?
>>
>>
>> On 7 Sep 2016 16:36, "Fluf Lagomorph via Nottingham"
>> <nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Indeed, unless the rules have changed quite substantially since we
>> did the same back in 2000 (and we've also just celebrated 16 years
>> of being married), then you've probably sent some serious overkill
>> that will almost certainly never be fully... appreciated?
>>
>> We used (paper!) letters we'd sent to one another along with plane
>> ticket stubs and photographs of us together, and that was
>> perfectly sufficient.
>>
>> (That and there was no way in hell I was sending them copies of
>> our ICQ logs. If they want the makings of trashy romance novels
>> then they can bloody well write their own!)
>>
>> Best wishes from another US/UK couple,
>>
>> -Stef (& Andy)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016, Martin via Nottingham wrote:
>>
>> Deary deary me... That's more like a Petition!
>>
>> Hope your great work is suitably protected under the GPL or
>> other so
>> that others may learn and enhance and develop the Human race
>> onwards!
>>
>> :-P
>>
>>
>> More seriously... That required divulgement is rather
>> seriously intrusive.
>>
>> Cue XKCD:
>>
>> https://xkcd.com/257/
>>
>> Hope you've run it through a Barbara Woodhouse BBC bleep-box!!
>>
>> (Cue all immigration coming to a standstill as the officials
>> suffer a
>> melee of giggles huddled around Daryl's IM memories...)
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck for your both :-)
>>
>> Partying soon, yeah! ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> (Aside: Was not the use of Facebook a clever ploy to subvert
>> the USA at
>> their own game? ... A sort of reverse-cyber 'probe'??... ;-) )
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/09/16 07:40, Daryl via Nottingham wrote:
>>
>> It was Facebook messenger - and I appreciate that Martin
>> would not
>> approve! However, in some ways I am glad. The fact that FB
>> store so much
>> information was useful in this case. Without this history
>> things would
>> have been much more difficult to prove.
>>
>>
>> On 7 Sep 2016 07:28, "Neal Ponton via Nottingham"
>> <nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I had misread that. I see now that you already did it.
>> Doh!
>>
>> I hope you proof-read it before sending in!
>>
>>
>> 7. Sep 2016 07:23 by nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> <mailto:nottingham at mailman.lug.org.uk>>:
>>
>> Some in the group may know I spend a lot of time
>> on my phone
>> talking to my American girlfriend (I try at the
>> socials to not
>> be rude and actually put my phone down). I needed
>> to create a
>> PDF of my IM history for immigration reasons.
>>
>> 3221 pages of A4. I'm rather impressed with that!
>>
>> I should point out that I put it on a USB stick
>> and did NOT
>> print it out!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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