[Phpwm] Re: My New Project
Chris Allen
pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk
Tue Oct 24 16:03:14 BST 2006
>I started playing with Code Igniter over the weekend and really like it
>(very easy for someone who is barley familiar with PHP). I like your
>project and actually want to built something similar. However, with my
>limited skills, I figure it would be easier to see if someone else has done
>something similar and work with that. So, to that end I started rummaging
>through the forum and found some very cool stuff. You may find them
>helpful, so here are a few things (if you want to take a look):
>
Thanks Rayhan, the forum and site are building into quite a community. I
think as far as the authentication goes I'll make it as simple as possible
to start with, and get the project moving, as I stil haven't decided exactly
how I want that side of things to work.
I originally looked at user groups and explicit permissions for each user,
but I think its going too complex too soon :) Its so easy to get bogged down
isn't it?
>The starting point for me was to develop a comprehensive add / edit /
>delete
>/ search / positioning module.
>Once you have developed that then you have the underlying functionality,
>you
>can then add and subtract form fields as required to achieve whatever you
>want in that particular part of the site management.
>Once you've got that far give me a shout and we could compare notes.
I think you're right Phil, It looks as though I'm going to be busy here!
PS, should I be trimming all the fluff out of these replies, as mentioned
elsewhere. As theres a lot of duplication when I reply.
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:24:01 +0000
>From: "Chris Allen" <pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk>
>Subject: [Phpwm] Re: My New Project
>To: phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> >Very sensible, but you will find it does take a lot of time to write,
> >especially alongside whatever you are doing in the daytime on customers
> >sites. I dont know what timescale you are looking at but you will find
> >things easier if you can get a lot of it written in the evenings while
>you
> >are still working for someone else and not having to worry about getting
> >bills paid, doing paperwork etc!
>
>Thats the plan, I intend to do it in the evenings, and although it will
>take
>a while to get done, I think if it as a time investment as I'm sure the
>hours it will save will be worth it:)
>
>Thanks for the feedback folks, I'll keep you posted.
>
>
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:29:11 +0000
> >From: "Chris Allen" <pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk>
> >Subject: [Phpwm] My New Project
> >To: phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> >Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the largest
> >I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework to ease
> >things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
> >Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for a
>website
> >for my own use. It consists of:
> >
> >Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
> >Back End -
> >User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality ) &
> >page content admin.
> >
> >This will give me the bones of a website package that I can tailor to
>suit
> >a
> >customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from basic
> >static to ecommerce sites.
> >
> >In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only time
>will
> >tell!
> >
> >This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on the
> >hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as possible,
> >cos
> >I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
> >
> >A sensible approach don't you agree?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: phpwm-request at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> > >Subject: Phpwm Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13
> > >Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:15:18 +0100
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> > >Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: List Etiquette (Tony Whitmore)
> > > 2. Re: language on this list (Tony Whitmore)
> > > 3. Re: List Etiquette (David Goodwin)
> > > 4. Re: List Etiquette (Tony Whitmore)
> > > 5. Re: language on this list (Kev)
> > >
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> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 1
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:25:27 +0100
> > >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> > >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >Message-ID: <453A11B7.8000504 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >Katherine Goodwin wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > While we like a bit of friendly debate on phpwm, there's no need to
> > > > resort to bad language to insult each other (Lets reserve that for
> > > > complaining about our / other people's code ;-))
> > > >
> > > > As list admins, David and I don't want to have to resort to
>filtering
> > > > posts or removing people from the list if they're regularly abusive.
> > > >
> > > > Lets keep it friendly please, we've been doing well so far.
> > >
> > >Would it be worth adding a few guidelines on list etiquette to the
>PHPWM
> > >wiki? It's often part of the process of maturing that communities have
> > >to start laying down some rules for self-governance. These needn't be
> > >overly formal, but give people an idea of what behaviour is
> > >unacceptable. Areas for consideration could include:
> > >
> > >* Top-posting
> > >* Use of HTML mail
> > >* Language
> > >* Quoting styles
> > >* Avoiding flames and over-reactions
> > >
> > >It might also be worth looking at the equivalent pages on the HantsLUG
> > >wiki:
> > >http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList
> > >http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList/Tips
> > >
> > >These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at the
> > >moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> > >
> > >HTH,
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 2
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:30:24 +0100
> > >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] language on this list
> > >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >Message-ID: <453A12E0.5030707 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > >Phil Beynon wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > > Do we actually have to have this person on the list?
> > >
> > >Whilst I'm not condoning the extensive use of bad language, please bear
> > >in mind that there are often personal circumstances outside of the list
> > >that cause people to lose their temper and flame. That doesn't make
> > >receiving flames any easier, especially in a public arena like this,
>but
> > >it can perhaps inform one's response to being flamed.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:28:59 +0100
> > >From: David Goodwin <david at codepoets.co.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> > >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >Message-ID: <20061021142858.GA13171 at codepoets.co.uk>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > > These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at
> >the
> > > > moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > >
> > >Hi Tony,
> > >
> > >Thanks for the suggestion; I've written
>http://www.phpwm.org/mailinglist
> > >which might help in the future...
> > >
> > >thanks
> > >David.
> > >
> > >--
> > >David Goodwin
> > >
> > >[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
> > >[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 4
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:38:46 +0100
> > >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> > >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >Message-ID: <453A30F6.4040608 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >David Goodwin wrote:
> > > >> These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at
> >the
> > > >> moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> > > >>
> > > >> HTH,
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tony,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the suggestion; I've written
> >http://www.phpwm.org/mailinglist
> > > > which might help in the future...
> > >
> > >Looks good!
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 5
> > >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:27:34 +0100
> > >From: Kev <php at beachboy.co.uk>
> > >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] language on this list
> > >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >Message-ID: <200610211927.34346.php at beachboy.co.uk>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >On Saturday 21 Oct 2006 13:30, Tony Whitmore wrote:
> > > > Whilst I'm not condoning the extensive use of bad language, please
> >bear
> > > > in mind that there are often personal circumstances outside of the
> >list
> > > > that cause people to lose their temper and flame. That doesn't make
> > > > receiving flames any easier, especially in a public arena like this,
> >but
> > > > it can perhaps inform one's response to being flamed.
> > > >
> > >
> > >I'm afraid Stephen has made a habit of this sort of offensive
>behaviour.
> >He
> > >has little respect for others, and is basic an ignorant lout. The fact
> >that
> > >he hasn't been thrown out of the group in the past, has only made him
> > >worse.
> > >In the past, he sent me a "friendly" direct email, after I passed
>comment
> > >on
> > >his rather unpleasant attitude to a newbie. He is a genuinely nasty
> > >character, who shouldn't be made welcome until he sorts his attitude
>out.
> > >
> > >I also take exception to Stephens excuse that it's OK, because he's
> > >autistic.
> > >Well as someone who has worked in special schools with autistic kids, I
> > >find
> > >it a miserable excuse to put it bluntly.
> > >
> > >Kev
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >Message: 2
> >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:48:05 +0100
> >From: Rob Allen <rob at akrabat.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] My New Project
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <453C81C5.80405 at akrabat.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> >Chris Allen wrote:
> > > Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the
> > > largest I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter
>framework
> > > to ease things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
> > > Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for a
> > > website for my own use. It consists of:
> > >
> > > Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
> > > Back End -
> > > User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality )
>&
> > > page content admin.
> > >
> > > This will give me the bones of a website package that I can tailor to
> > > suit a customers requirements. It should cover most types of site,
>from
> > > basic static to ecommerce sites.
> > >
> > > In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only time
> > > will tell!
> > >
> > > This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on
>the
> > > hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as
>possible,
> > > cos I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
> > >
> > > A sensible approach don't you agree?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >You've just described the basics of our CMF that we use at work :) We
> >use it to build 90% of our sites. 10% don't fit into the limitations of
> >our CMF and hence we are slowly R&Ding a new CMF based on Zend Framework
> >that will allow us to standardise the building of a greater percentage
> >of our website jobs.
> >
> >Personally, I think that a CMF is far more useful than a CMS as you can
> >far more easily tailor the system to suit the site you are building.
> >
> >I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiences :)
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rob...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:39:30 +0100
> >From: "Phil Beynon" <phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
> >Subject: RE: [Phpwm] My New Project
> >To: "West Midlands PHP User Group" <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID:
> > <MDBBIMBGKCJEJKIHMENGIELOKPAA.phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > > Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the
> >largest
> > > I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework to
>ease
> > > things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
> > > Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for
> > > a website
> >
> >This sounds very similar to my coeus-computica project.
> >
> > > for my own use. It consists of:
> > >
> > > Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
> > > Back End -
> > > User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality )
>&
> > > page content admin.
> >
> >Don't worry, you will find that list grows and grows..... :-)
> >Function creep is the main problem with projects of this nature - you
>have
> >to lay down a main set of functions then enhancements, then anything else
> >that comes along gets shortlisted for the next version, otherwise its
>never
> >ending!
> >
> >If you are selling or aiming to sell to the SME market then dont worry
> >overly about making it run with a definable set of users all with
>different
> >rights over different parts of the site, to date none of my customers
>have
> >made that a requirement, so its saved up for version 2.
> >
> > > This will give me the bones of a website package that I can
> > > tailor to suit a
> > > customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from basic
> > > static to ecommerce sites.
> >
> >Are you trying to make it as something that just you use or is this for
>the
> >customer to administer the site directly?
> >My personal preference is for the customer to administer the site almost
> >wholly by themselves, including things like uploading and resizing images
> >or
> >sets of images. Once the site is up and running then you get a heck of a
> >lot
> >less disturbance that way. I do quite a few sites for the antiques /
> >collectables trade of that nature.
> >One thing you will find is mostly the customers / users are quite happy
>for
> >a backend that is functional but not glamorous - they simply aren't so
> >bothered about pretty icons and page colours compared with intuitive ease
> >of
> >use.
> >
> > > In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only
> > > time will
> > > tell!
> >
> >Think about an admin back end which dynamically writes the CSS and allows
> >positioning of standard page parts via div tags, if you can get most of
>the
> >site to lie in essentially one switched page it gives huge flexibility.
> >
> > > This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on
>the
> > > hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as
> > > possible, cos
> > > I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
> > >
> > > A sensible approach don't you agree?
> >
> >Very sensible, but you will find it does take a lot of time to write,
> >especially alongside whatever you are doing in the daytime on customers
> >sites. I dont know what timescale you are looking at but you will find
> >things easier if you can get a lot of it written in the evenings while
>you
> >are still working for someone else and not having to worry about getting
> >bills paid, doing paperwork etc!
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:59:14 +0100
>From: "Phil Beynon" <phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Re: My New Project
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group" <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID:
> <MDBBIMBGKCJEJKIHMENGMENCKPAA.phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> > >Very sensible, but you will find it does take a lot of time to write,
> > >especially alongside whatever you are doing in the daytime on customers
> > >sites. I dont know what timescale you are looking at but you will find
> > >things easier if you can get a lot of it written in the evenings
> > while you
> > >are still working for someone else and not having to worry about
>getting
> > >bills paid, doing paperwork etc!
> >
> > Thats the plan, I intend to do it in the evenings, and although
> > it will take
> > a while to get done, I think if it as a time investment as I'm sure the
> > hours it will save will be worth it:)
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback folks, I'll keep you posted.
> >
>Chris,
>The starting point for me was to develop a comprehensive add / edit /
>delete
>/ search / positioning module.
>Once you have developed that then you have the underlying functionality,
>you
>can then add and subtract form fields as required to achieve whatever you
>want in that particular part of the site management.
>Once you've got that far give me a shout and we could compare notes.
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:43:01 -0700
>From: "Rayhan Abdulmughnee" <rayhan at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] My New Project
>To: phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk
>Message-ID: <BAY125-F189B17FF41D8816629E277C2000 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>I started playing with Code Igniter over the weekend and really like it
>(very easy for someone who is barley familiar with PHP). I like your
>project and actually want to built something similar. However, with my
>limited skills, I figure it would be easier to see if someone else has done
>something similar and work with that. So, to that end I started rummaging
>through the forum and found some very cool stuff. You may find them
>helpful, so here are a few things (if you want to take a look):
>
>1: Authentication.
>
>CI does have a session class, so I suppose you can built an authentication
>system with that. However, Apparently there are three authentication
>systems that others have built:
>
>- Sentry
>o http://www.codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/1258/
>o http://www.codeigniter.com/wiki/sentry/
>
>- UserAuth Mini-App
>o http://www.codeigniter.com/forums/viewthread/1347/
>o http://mini-app.peccavi.com
>
>- Have not found the 3rd one yet
>
>
>Have not looked at Sentry, but worked with UserAuth today and looks very
>good. Installation on the FreeBSD/Apache was very easy and
>straightforward.
> Thou, having issue making it run on IIS.
>
>
>
>2: CMS
>
>There is some discussion on the forum regarding building a CMS that can be
>dropped into CI and be used or any application. However, its not built yet.
>There is a plugin for Xinha that you can drop for content management (thou,
>I prefer using FCKEditor…maybe using Xinha plugin as a template, I can
>create one for FCKEditor).
>
>http://www.codeigniter.com/wiki/wysiwyg/
>
>
>3: CodeCrafter
>
>CodeCrafter can generate your Model, View, Controller files from the
>database tables. Sounds very impressive, thou I had trouble working with
>the generated files (in all fairness I only spent about 20 minutes with it)
>
>
>http://www.datacraft.co.za/index.php?contents=codecrafter/codecraft
>
>
>That’s all I got so far. Hope, this might be of some help to you. In the
>last couple of days that I have worked with CI, I really like it.
>
>rayhan
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Chris Allen" <pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk>
>
>Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the largest
>I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework to ease
>things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
>Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for a website
>for my own use. It consists of:
>
>Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
>Back End -
>User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality ) &
>page content admin.
>
>This will give me the bones of a website package that I can tailor to suit
>a
>customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from basic
>static to ecommerce sites.
>
>In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only time will
>tell!
>
>This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on the
>hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as possible,
>cos
>I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
>
>A sensible approach don't you agree?
>
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