[Phpwm] Phpwm Digest, Vol 222, Issue 3

Tue Aug 3 09:54:34 UTC 2010

Guys,

It was never my intention to speak about this candidate in such a broad
manner on the PHP WM list. I havent submitted the details to this
address. If any of you guys want to discuss privacy settings or indeed
anything else please give me a call on 0121 6075858. Otherwise lets draw
a line under this.

Regards,
Karl.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer (Lightfoot, Karl)
   2. Re: Alternative browsers (Tim Williams)
   3. Re: South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer (Camilo Mesias)
   4. Re: South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer (Dave Holmes)
   5. Re: South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer (David Goodwin)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:35:45 +0100
From: "Lightfoot, Karl" <k.lightfoot at computerfutures.com>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer
To: <dave at neteffekt.co.uk>,	"West Midlands PHP User Group"
	<phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Dave,

Apologies, I did amend our records to reflect previous conversations but
our system seems to have flipped it to receive example candidates. I
have ensured this will not happen again.

Regards,
Karl.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Dave Holmes [mailto:dave at neteffekt.co.uk] 
	Sent: 03 August 2010 10:36
	To: Lightfoot, Karl; West Midlands PHP User Group
	Subject: Re: South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer

	Karl, 

	You really don't learn do you... despite my more than plain
bordering on the terse responses on PHPWM you still continue to mail
me!!!

	WE DO NOT NOW OR EVER WILL USE RECRUITMENT AGENCIES - IN
PARTICULAR COMPUTER FUTURES.

	I can only assume you have harvested my email from the PHPWM
group list and ignored all previous complaints about unsolicited
contact. 

	Are other group members getting the same messages from Karl ?

	dave

	On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 10:19 +0100, Lightfoot, Karl wrote: 

		Computer Futures <http://www.computerfutures.com>  

		Dear Dave, 

		Please find the details of an outstanding candidate who
I believe will be of interest to you. 

		I am currently a senior web developer for a new media
company that has built a virtual-world for children aged 9 to 14. I am
seeking a similar role in a fast-moving and vibrant company that allows
me to develop, achieve my potential and to build on my development
experience. Owen lives South of Birmingham and is on ?27,000

		I have interviewed candidate - OB and have discussed
potential career opportunities in your vicinity 

		I will make contact with you regarding this shortly. If
however in the meantime you would like more details about this
candidate, or other candidates I am representing, please do not hesitate
to contact me. 

		Thank you for your time, 

		Best regards 

		Karl Lightfoot

		Computer Futures
		6th Floor
		Phoenix House
		1 - 3 Newhall Street
		Birmingham
		United Kingdom
		B3 3NH

		Phone 0121 607 5858
		email k.lightfoot at computerfutures.com

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:36:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Tim Williams <T.M.Williams at cs.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Alternative browsers
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2010, Simon Emms wrote:

> For the record, I quite like IE8. IE6 is a pain in the arse and I 
> refuse to support it

I write quite a lot of complex javascript and have yet to notice the 
difference between IE 6 and IE 8, every javascript bug/problem I have
had 
with IE 6 still seems to be present on IE 8.

> Good way of testing multiple OS's (and, by extension, browsers) is 
> using Sun Virtual Machine. Which is frS

I have 3 real computers, one of which also has vmware to provide a
variety 
of test setups, primarily because I do a lot of stuff with plugins which

needs extra testing. I've also started testing on mobile browsers, in my

case the one that comes with Symbian S60 5th edition (which is what I
have 
on my phone).

If you are only doing straight web pages, then all you should need is IE

+ Firefox + W3C validator. I use the firefox HTML validator extension :

http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/

which is highly reccomended. If the pages validate, they should work on 
everything, although the IE check is still necessary.

Tim W

-- 
Tim Williams BSc MSc MBCS - Euromotor Autotrain
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Tel : +44 (0)121 414 2214 (ext 42214 on internal phone)

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:39:00 +0100
From: Camilo Mesias <camilo at mesias.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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A shocking breach of privacy too. I would be very unhappy about my
details being circulated to a technical list in this way. Makes me think
twice about trusting them to an agency.

-Cam
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:47:35 +0100
From: Dave Holmes <dave at neteffekt.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer
To: Camilo Mesias <camilo at mesias.co.uk>
Cc: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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That's just my point Cam I have never at any point had any dealings
either personally as a candidate or professionally as a business owner
with computer futures, and working in small businesses it could make
things awkward to say the least if you CV was forwarded to you boss
because of hap-hazzard marketing from a recruitment agency. 

Karl, here a suggestion rather than just change "my setting on your
records" hit the delete key!

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 10:39 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:

> A shocking breach of privacy too. I would be very unhappy about my 
> details being circulated to a technical list in this way. Makes me 
> think twice about trusting them to an agency.
> 
> 
> 
> -Cam
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:47:40 +0100
From: David Goodwin <david at codepoets.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] South Birmingham PHP 5 OO MVC Cake developer
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> Karl, here a suggestion rather than just change "my setting on your 
> records" hit the delete key!

Hmm... personally, if I were to ever write a bulk mailing / spam like
system, when someone asked for their details to be removed, I'd keep at
least some of their details around - just so they wouldn't accidentally
get re-subscribed (i.e. there needs to be some permanent way for the
system to know you wanted to opt-out). 

I submitted my CV to computer futures years ago, when I was a new
graduate in the area; never had any work through them. As an employer
somehow they found our details, how is lost in the passing of time, and
every so often I get emails/phone calls. So far, they've not been of any
use, but I can't tell what the future will hold.

thanks,

David.

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